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post #121 of 1872 Old 09-22-2015, 11:51 AM
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Shelf-mounted in a 12ft room the 2040 can fit anything from roughly 103"-124" for 16:9 screen-size, and mounting it about 5ft-6inches above the floor will have the screen slightly higher than centered for your eyes (typically it's recommended to have 1/2-1/3 of the screen below your eye-height, so this is well within that range).

SilverTicket has both an excellent white screen and a grey screen option for viewing in some light (or a light-colored room) in both 110" and 120" fixed-frame for $200-300.
Elite is another solid and value-oriented brand though the SilverTicket tends to be a little cheaper and easier to setup while having less complaints about visible texture.
I am thinking of buying Epson 2040, and my room has a low to moderate light. Even at night has not a perfect light isolation. Is Carl's FlexiGray (High Contrast Gray) a good screen option, better than white screen?

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I am thinking of buying Epson 2040, and my room has a low to moderate light. Even at night has not a perfect light isolation. Is Carl's FlexiGray (High Contrast Gray) a good screen option, better than white screen?

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Yes. A contrasty grey would be a good choice for a projector in a room that won't be dark, and the Flexi-Grey should be a particularly inexpensive and easy to work with material.

Easy $25 DIY black (or any color) ALR paint +$40-$50sprayer screen mix smooth/clean and very easy to learn spraying with little/no mess.
Simple $25-40 DIY black/dark-grey ambient-light rejecting screen, grab two things from a local store..mix..roll..done.
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The ratio offset is 10:1, this means the botom of the image is at the center of the lens? and the ceiling will be the top of the image?
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The ratio offset is 10:1, this means the botom of the image is at the center of the lens? and the ceiling will be the top of the image?
The Epson 2040 (and 2000, 2030, 2045) projects 8% of the image below the lens-center and 92% above it when table-mounted OR 8% above the lens and 92% below the lens when it's ceiling-mounted.

Easy $25 DIY black (or any color) ALR paint +$40-$50sprayer screen mix smooth/clean and very easy to learn spraying with little/no mess.
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I would say that the 2030 could only make very dark gray, this 2045 makes black.
Could you possibly make a quick side by side video comparison or do you no longer have the 2030? Thanks.
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Would the 2045/2045 be suitable for a business projector that is always on? The room is relatively dim lighted (not that bright) and the projectors are needed to illuminate an image about 130" diagonally. The images will usually be static (cameras and maps). Is burn in a problem with this technology of projector? The source will be a computer with displayport out (we can always get an adapter though).
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Could you possibly make a quick side by side video comparison or do you no longer have the 2030? Thanks.
The 2030 was on loan till the 2045 arrived, in fact there was a week between the two.

I am suprised NO ONE has run out to Best Buy and grabbed one, yet.
I figured there would be lots of impressions on this much awaited model.

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The 2030 was on loan till the 2045 arrived, in fact there was a week between the two.

I am suprised NO ONE has run out to Best Buy and grabbed one, yet.
I figured there wuld be lots of impressions on this much awaite model.
Still dealing with the HC2000/2030s stock and Amazon had the HC2000 for $465 today. Also, the fact that many of us already have entry level projectors so the next logical step is up vs getting another entry level. Since I'm not logical, want the added features and love the $99 lamp, I need hard numbers to avoid the wife "look" when a 2045 arrives, and I add the 2045 to my two HC2000s and one ViewSonic DLP entry level collection.
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I am suprised NO ONE has run out to Best Buy and grabbed one, yet.
I figured there would be lots of impressions on this much awaited model.
Good point. I think the BENQ announcement has got people thinking. In my very cynical way of thinking, the BENQ announcement has got people thinking "Do we buy the 2045 now, or wait for the BENQ to be reviewed".

For me, I don't need to buy till November, so plan on taking my time, and wait for the reviews. But, anything I buy, will be better then my Sharp 32X.

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Good point. I think the BENQ announcement has got people thinking. In my very cynical way of thinking, the BENQ announcement has got people thinking "Do we buy the 2045 now, or wait for the BENQ to be reviewed".

For me, I don't need to buy till November, so plan on taking my time, and wait for the reviews. But, anything I buy, will be better then my Sharp 32X.

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Isn't the BENQ a DLP type proj (I have tried DLP it causes me headaches & rainbows)?

BTW I would no longer consider the Epson 2045 "entry level" as the picture is absolutely excellent and the law of diminishing returns means paying alot more for very little improvement.

By the way this thing seems to have been pre calibrated because the flesh tones are alsolutely spot on. In fact, there is very little room for improvement.

Still no one has picked one up at their local Best Buy?, with a 15 return policy, you can try it and get your money back no questions asked.
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Isn't the BENQ a DLP type proj (I have tried DLP it causes me headaches & rainbows)?

BTW I would no longer consider the Epson 2045 "entry level" as the picture is absolutely excellent and the law of diminishing returns means paying alot more for very little improvement.

By the way this thing seems to have been pre calibrated because the flesh tones are alsolutely spot on. In fact, there is very little room for improvement.

Still no one has picked one up at their local Best Buy?, with a 15 return policy, you can try it and get your money back no questions asked.
I picked it up at best buy! I'm loving it. I bought it for movies and games, and I can say the input lag is great. I still need a screen tho. I'm in the process of turning my basement into a theater room and it even looks great a dirty wall with the power outlet visible. I have no experience with projectors so I can't really compare it to others but it looks great! I want he absolute best blacks, should I go grey screen even tho I can have my basement near pitch black darkness? I have light color floors and walls at the moment but plan on changing it. I like that it has speakers, but the sound is so sad compared to the amazing picture. I could see this being useful if I want to plug it into the bed room or any other random room to watch something tho.
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..... (I have tried DLP it causes me headaches & rainbows)?

...... the picture is absolutely excellent and the law of diminishing returns means paying alot more for very little improvement.

I'm tempted.... Thanks so much for this. BTW, do you live near Gaithersbug, MD??

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Well now we have 2 members here with the projector. I asked this before, but have you tried the 3D? If you did, could you please tell me what you think about the crosstalk?
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Well now we have 2 members here with the projector. I asked this before, but have you tried the 3D? If you did, could you please tell me what you think about the crosstalk?
I didn't get it for 3d & my BDP-51 is not 3D, that said I am looking at getting a 3D blu ray player & bunch of rf glasses, since my ir glasses are not compatible.


I should offer some 3D opinions in a few weeks.


I can not say enough about how great the picture is.


It is as sharp and bright as my zone lit LCD monitor, except the picture is 120" diag
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Should I change this to the 2040/2045 thread in the title?
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How will this projector compare to the epson 3000 for a few hundred more
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How will this projector compare to the epson 3000 for a few hundred more
The 3000 is brighter and has noticeably higher contrast as well as much more zoom-range and really flexible lens-shift (which the 2040 lacks completely).

The 2040 has a good deal less input-lag for gaming without compromising the picture, and its replacement lamp costs less than half as much.

The 2040 takes more time and care to center and square onto a screen, but that's about all you typically lose from having less lens flexibility from zoom and lens-shift.

-The 3000 is a better choice for movies in general, a little better with larger screens or more ambient light as well as better blacks in a dark space.
-The 2040 is a better choice for gaming whenever reflexes or timing matters and a cheaper choice for frequent/heavy use like a replacement TV and outdoor movies with a little less fear.

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How about motion handling in fast 3D shooter games? This is a problem with LCD. Any motion artifacts with 2040?
I'm Benq w1070 owner and 3d games work very fine.

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The 3000 is brighter and has noticeably higher contrast as well as much more zoom-range and really flexible lens-shift (which the 2040 lacks completely).

The 2040 has a good deal less input-lag for gaming without compromising the picture, and its replacement lamp costs less than half as much.

The 2040 takes more time and care to center and square onto a screen, but that's about all you typically lose from having less lens flexibility from zoom and lens-shift.

-The 3000 is a better choice for movies in general, a little better with larger screens or more ambient light as well as better blacks in a dark space.
-The 2040 is a better choice for gaming whenever reflexes or timing matters and a cheaper choice for frequent/heavy use like a replacement TV and outdoor movies with a little less fear.

I mainly want it for bluray movies, tv and sports. Only have 11 1/2 feet from front to rear wall. Planning on shelf mount.My room will be very dark also will paint the walls dark
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How about motion handling is fast 3D shooter games? This is a problem with LCD. Any motion artifacts with 2040?
If you generally notice the somewhat poorer motion-handling of LCDs, the Benq w1070/1075 or Vivitek 1186 might be a better choice with clear and crisp fast-motion along with the bonus of higher native contrast.

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I mainly want it for bluray movies, tv and sports. Only have 11 1/2 feet from front to rear wall. Planning on shelf mount.My room will be very dark also will paint the walls dark
In that case the 3000 should be the better-looking choice along with being the only option under $1000 which can be shelf-mounted (besides the harder to find refurbished 8345).

Easy $25 DIY black (or any color) ALR paint +$40-$50sprayer screen mix smooth/clean and very easy to learn spraying with little/no mess.
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If you generally notice the somewhat poorer motion-handling of LCDs, the Benq w1070/1075 might be a better choice with clear and crisp fast-motion along with the bonus of higher native contrast.


In that case the 3000 should be the better-looking choice along with being the only option under $1000 which can be shelf-mounted (besides the harder to find refurbished 8345).

I can also ise a wall mount and have the projector upside down
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I mainly want it for bluray movies, tv and sports. Only have 11 1/2 feet from front to rear wall. Planning on shelf mount.My room will be very dark also will paint the walls dark
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I can also ise a wall mount and have the projector upside down
In that case the w1070/1075 will have some advantages (as long as you can hang it upsidedown and a little above the screen's top)..it'll have a little better motion than the LCDs, higher native contrast, is a bit easier to mount than the 2040 and can fit a larger screen with a shorter throw than anything besides a ShortThrow without suffering the limited optics of most short-throw models.
...and the $650-700 price is hard to beat.

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In that case the w1070/1075 will have some advantages (as long as you can hang it upsidedown and a little above the screen's top)..it'll have a little better motion than the LCDs, higher native contrast, is a bit easier to mount than the 2040 and can fit a larger screen with a shorter throw than anything besides a ShortThrow without suffering the limited optics of most short-throw models.
...and the $650-700 price is hard to beat.

I was looking at lcd. Im guessing dlp will have a better picture
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I was looking at lcd. Im guessing dlp will have a better picture
I am not so sure of a DLP advantage based on the review of the new 2040 thanks to the addition of image enhancement and frame interpolation. It sounds like the difference is very slight with the Epson added advantage of a two year warranty with over night replacement and a $99 replacement lamp rated to 7500 hours on eco. While with some DLPs lamp cost is an issue and members shop around for aftermarket lamps trying to find one that is worth taking a chance on.

http://www.projectorreviews.com/epso...ectors-review/
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I am not so sure of a DLP advantage based on the review of the new 2040 thanks to the addition of image enhancement and frame interpolation. It sounds like the difference is very slight with the Epson added advantage of a two year warranty with over night replacement and a $99 replacement lamp rated to 7500 hours on eco. While with some DLPs lamp cost is an issue and members shop around for aftermarket lamps trying to find one that is worth taking a chance on.

http://www.projectorreviews.com/epso...ectors-review/

That was my first choice. I might go for that one
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Anyone have any recommendation for ceiling mount?

i want something that is about 30-50cm from the ceiling i guess (2.4m height in the room), so i can get a centered image on the wall. Do usually people just put it on a table? Would that make a lot of noise? Also would it not make a cable mess.

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The Vivitek 1186 and Benq w1070/1075 have some of the highest measured native contrast there is for projectors under $1500.
The Epson 2040 has the weakest native contrast of 1080p projectors over $500.
In a dark-colored room I'd go for the highest contrast that can be afforded, which for under $1100 is the Benq w1070/1075, Epson 3000, and Vivitek 1186.
If gaming or fast-motion is a concern, the DLPs have a solid natural advantage over the LCDs.

The 2040 DOES offer the $99 lamp which can be helpful toward keeping costs even lower if you'll be using this projector for enough years before getting upgraded-itus.

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In this forum, it seems like you are either a DLP fan or a LCD or even LED in the entry levels. We love what we love and we hate what we hate.

Moving up to the next level it is Sony vs Epson fans.

I don't have a perfect room and I don't want to spend 100k or even 10K on a room, but I do want an affordable quality image that is the largest my home will allow, so...

When I was originally buying two years ago, most on this forum were BenQ fans, but the professional reviews listed the pros and cons for both. At the end of the day, the reviews (projector central and projector reviews) indicate that neither type projector in this price point have great black levels with the BenQ having the advantage and the Epson winning on cost of ownership via warranty and lamp cost. The reviews stated that the Epson was the projector most likely to be used as a TV. Exactly what I wanted, so I went Epson.

Now two years later the same argument. Isn't it great to have choices?

About a year and half ago, I really was sold on getting a BenQ W1070 based on reading this forum. I really thought the projector must be amazing based on the comments. I was planning on moving the Epson to a spare room and I couldn't wait to see the Ben in action and jumped at the chance to sample the W1070 at a co-workers house. I really sold the projector to the wife and told her how great the forum said it was. (I did the same thing jumping from 47 to 55 then to a 70 inch TV within a few years.) I had her sold on the way to the guy's home....but, three hours later we walked out, and she thanked me for saving nice things about the experience to the co-worker. In the car, we both had a what the heck moment. If the black levels were better, we didn't see it. If it was a sharper image, we didn't see it. If it handled motion better, we didn't see it. For us the glaring problem with the projector was the light leakage from the vent. In an untreated room with it on a table it was like a spotlight, which ended my Ben dream. I waited to a too good to be true price happened and picked up a second Epson HC2000. Of course, now it can be had on sale for $90 less.

Epson, BenQ or Vivitek in this price point all have strengths and weaknesses. Be it SDE or RBE or dust or light leakage or warranty or placement. What kills a projector for one person isn't an issue for another.

With the entry Epsons, I like the warranty and the $99 lamp. I have a ViewSonic DLP that I got for $300ish but the lamp runs over $200 to replace. To me, paying $200 or $300 or $500 for a lamp...a lamp is crazy. When the ViewSonic lamp goes so goes the projector.

Over the last two years, I have been tempted many times to get the Epson HC3500 and the HC5025, but the lamp replacement cost stops me. I can get a new 2040 for $799 and the lamps alone for the 3500/5025 run almost $300 unless you find a cheap aftermarket worth buying. To me it is like printer ink, and that is where the companies make the real money on entry level projectors. Make a lamp for say $25 and sell it for $300. Not too bad for the company but the consumer takes it in the shorts.

So I really don't think there is a right or wrong answer and that it depends on the room, the use and the individual.

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My soap box or 2 cents worth or opinions are like behinds we all have one so here is my behind.

In this forum, it seems like you are either a DLP fan or a LCD or even LED in the entry levels. We love what we love and we hate what we hate.

Moving up to the next level it is Sony vs Epson fans.

I don't have a perfect room and I don't want to spend 100k or even 10K on a room, but I do want an affordable quality image that is the largest my home will allow, so...

When I was originally buying two years ago, most on this forum were BenQ fans, but the professional reviews listed the pros and cons for both. At the end of the day, the reviews (projector central and projector reviews) indicate that neither type projector in this price point have great black levels with the BenQ having the advantage and the Epson winning on cost of ownership via warranty and lamp cost. The reviews stated that the Epson was the projector most likely to be used as a TV. Exactly what I wanted, so I went Epson.

Now two years later the same argument. Isn't it great to have choices?

For me about a year and half ago, I really was sold on getting a BenQ W1070 based on reading this forum. I really thought the projector must be amazing based on the comments. I was planning on moving the Epson to a spare room and I couldn't wait to see the Ben in action and jumped at the chance to sample the W1070 at a co-workers house. I really sold the projector to the wife and told her how great the forum said it was. (I did the same thing jumping from 47 to 55 then to a 70 inch TV within a few years.) I had her sold on the way to the guy's home....but, three hours later we walked out, and she thanked me for saving nice things about the experience to the co-worker. In the car, we both had a what the heck moment. If the black levels were better, we didn't see it. If it was a sharper image, we didn't see it. If it handled motion better, we didn't see it. For us the glaring problem with the projector was the light leakage from the vent. In an untreated room with it on a table it was like a spotlight, which ended my Ben dream. I waited to a too good to be true price happened and picked up a second Epson HC2000. Of course, now it can be had on sale for $90 less.

Epson, BenQ or Vivitek in this price point all have strengths and weaknesses. Be it SDE or RBE or dust or light leakage or warranty or placement. What kills a projector for one person isn't an issue for another.

With the entry Epsons, I like the warranty and the $99 lamp. I have a ViewSonic DLP that I got for $300ish but the lamp runs over $200 to replace. To me, paying $200 or $300 or $500 for a lamp...a lamp is crazy. When the ViewSonic lamp goes so goes the projector.

Over the last two years, I have been tempted many times to get the Epson HC3500 and the HC5025, but the lamp replacement cost stops me. I can get a new 2040 for $799 and the lamps alone for the 3500/5025 run almost $300 unless you find a cheap aftermarket worth buying. To me it is like printer ink, and that is where the companies make the real money on entry level projectors. Make a lamp for say $25 and sell it for $300. Not too bad for the company but the consumer takes it in the shorts.

So I really don't think there is a right or wrong answer and that it depends on the room, the use and the individual.

Well put. In my case i can only judge by videos that all look the same, and by these forums. I was set on dlp at the beggining. I also heard great things on the new epson 2040 2045. Im not one to keep projector for years. With technology the way it is if i get 2 years out of it im happy.
Im also one to like the better things. So i do not mind spending a few hundred more if its worth it. In my case with such a small room and throw distance im not sure if the epson 3500 or the sony hw40s will be a big advantage. Also i need to upgrade to a 3d bluray and receiver plus screen. So i think the money will be better spent that way. I have a old onkyo sr606 and a cheap sony bluray.
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