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Steve, looking at that photo, you have an amazing looking family. I would check into more of a dairy and protein based diet.
Thank you. I managed to scar my kids for life growing up with my love of horror movies and junk.

Question, if you have the BenQ W1070 why do you need a 2040? I doubt the difference either good or bad would be worth it. The only reason (well, what I will tell the wife) I would get one is to replace my main HC2000 and move the old one to my family's lake house.
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Thank you. I managed to scar my kids for life growing up with my love of horror movies and junk.

Question, if you have the BenQ W1070 why do you need a 2040? I doubt the difference either good or bad would be worth it. The only reason (well, what I will tell the wife) I would get one is to replace my main HC2000 and move the old one to my family's lake house.
Any feedback or impressions on the 3D yet?
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Sweet deal on 2045 at Best Buy

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I called them the other day (glad I waited on purchasing LOL, saved 100 bucks) from what I gathered it's going to be a "few days". The most honest places seem to be giving an ETA of around Oct 20th.
I have a pending order at Adorama for the 2040 and I was at a local best buy and they had a 2045 on stock. I purchased it immediately and to my surprise, it came with a $200 gift card. This is a good deal for 2045 in spite of taxes. Effectively, I paid $709 after taxes.

So, if you think 2045 is good for you, find a bestbuy with one in stock.

Am excited!
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Any feedback or impressions on the 3D yet?
Sorry I don't have the new one yet. I have been waiting for the 2045 to hit Amazon or be in stock at my local Best Buy.
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I go back and forth between this pj and the Vivitek 1186 and I'm wondering if the "lesser" black level can be made up by use of a gray screen. Part of my upgrade would be going from a 100" white 1.1 gain Elite Screen to a 120" screen. I love the features of the Epson and if a gray screen will make up some of the difference on black levels that might sell me on it.

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I go back and forth between this pj and the Vivitek 1186 and I'm wondering if the "lesser" black level can be made up by use of a gray screen. Part of my upgrade would be going from a 100" white 1.1 gain Elite Screen to a 120" screen. I love the features of the Epson and if a gray screen will make up some of the difference on black levels that might sell me on it.

Thanks in advance.
The grey screen will help against washout, but the Vivitek will still have deeper blacks/higher contrast.
If the Epson has features you'd be willing to take a contrast hit for, I'd either grab the 2040 from a dealer with a good return-policy (just in case) while it's cheap and see for yourself if the contrast is bothersome or good enough to justify with the features.

If you're willing to pay more, the upcoming Benq's have a chance at adding CFI and 2D-3D, but it's pretty unlikely the models getting those will also have low-lag or a price under $1000.

If the darn 1188 would just get over its fear of flying, this would be a lot easier.
I guess there's also the LG pf1000 which offers CFI and 2D-3D, but its gaming is still pretty meh at ~50ms of lag at the fastest and its price around $1200-1300 and the possibilities of its ultra short-throw messing with your mounting plans...there's a lot of IFs to think about.

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The grey screen will help against washout, but the Vivitek will still have deeper blacks/higher contrast.
If the Epson has features you'd be willing to take a contrast hit for, I'd either grab the 2040 from a dealer with a good return-policy (just in case) while it's cheap and see for yourself if the contrast is bothersome or good enough to justify with the features.

If you're willing to pay more, the upcoming Benq's have a chance at adding CFI and 2D-3D, but it's pretty unlikely the models getting those will also have low-lag or a price under $1000.

If the darn 1188 would just get over its fear of flying, this would be a lot easier.
I guess there's also the LG pf1000 which offers CFI and 2D-3D, but its gaming is still pretty meh at ~50ms of lag at the fastest and its price around $1200-1300 and the possibilities of its ultra short-throw messing with your mounting plans...there's a lot of IFs to think about.
I think the Vivitek 1186 is still leading the race for me. I mostly (95%) game and watch movies on my setup, so CFI is not a deal breaker.

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Well I went ahead and bought the 2045 from best buy. I was interested in the performance based on reviews. I currently have an epson 8345. The 2045 has bright colors and a sharp picture. Unfortunately, that's where the positives for me end. The auto iris pulsing mentioned in the projector central review is real and annoying. I also noticed the slight bowing at the top of the image and I believe the 2030 had that problem as well. I've never been more disappointed in a projector after the positive words from projector central and projector reviews. They say things like the 2045/2040 isn't quite as good at black levels as its dlp competitors. I feel like that is really an understatement. The blacks are terrible and it is hard to look past and enjoy. I had high hopes from the marketing saying it had new lcd panels. Hype. If the 2045 is supposed to be an improvement over the 2030 in contrast.....yikes...

It is bright and sharp like I mentioned, and if you have one and like like it then you will definitely have a lot of enjoyment will the long bulb life. The bottom line though, my 8345 for $550 refurbished is really in a different (better) league than the $850 2045.
You went down and you should have gone up to the 5025/5030 or Sony HW40.

A look at the Sound and Vision bench test numbers for the entry level projectors and you will see native contrast number of 325:1 for the 2030 (iris corrected to 1170:1) and 1,247:1 for the BenQ W1070 (around 1550:1 adjusted). Entry level contrast until you get to the Epson 5030 with around 16,850:1 native. Even the test for the HC3500 shows low native contrast (seems way too low for this model to not be a mistake). The work around is the auto iris which some cannot tolerate.

Even if they doubled or tripled the native contrast of the 2030 with the 2040 you are still at less than 1000:1 so at best a iris corrected contrast of less than 2000:1.

Hopefully the Best Buy return policy is as good as some have stated.
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You went down and you should have gone up to the 5025/5030 or Sony HW40.

A look at the Sound and Vision bench test numbers for the entry level projectors and you will see native contrast number of 325:1 for the 2030 (iris corrected to 1170:1) and 1,247:1 for the BenQ W1070 (around 1550:1 adjusted). Entry level contrast until you get to the Epson 5030 with around 16,850:1 native. Even the test for the HC3500 shows low native contrast (seems way too low for this model to not be a mistake). The work around is the auto iris which some cannot tolerate.

Even if they doubled or tripled the native contrast of the 2030 with the 2040 you are still at less than 1000:1 so at best a iris corrected contrast of less than 2000:1.

Hopefully the Best Buy return policy is as good as some have stated.
Im not sure where my original post went, I think it got deleted while I was trying to edit it on my phone. Anyway, I feel I may have been too harsh. My expectations were too high in the area of black levels. The 2045 does perform well in other areas I must say. Sharpness, shadow detail, colors, and menu options. The cfi would definitely be useful for sports as well.
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Thank you. I managed to scar my kids for life growing up with my love of horror movies and junk.

Question, if you have the BenQ W1070 why do you need a 2040? I doubt the difference either good or bad would be worth it. The only reason (well, what I will tell the wife) I would get one is to replace my main HC2000 and move the old one to my family's lake house.
Well, I have had it a few years now and I would love ***native CFI***: right now I use a HTPC with Smooth Video Project (SVP) installed I would love to not have a need for an extra semi-powerful PC , cheap$99.00/easy to find bulbs, lower power usage, 2 year warranty, ....do you not think it's not worth the trade-off?

Oh and another question and tell me if I'm nuts: I have heard a power outage with a model like the 2030 or 2040/45 will not affect it/doesn't need cool down? Where I'm paranoid the power will go out sometime when I'm using my W1070 and possibly destroy it?

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I just set up my 2045 and I am confused about whether to keep it or not. I like the colors in the Dynamic mode but the contrast level is just not cutting it. Black levels seem okay to me but the contrast in bright scenes are just bad. I watch movies at dark and brighter scenes are hazy to my eyes. My wife does not care much abt picture quality, resolution etc; however, she could notice the bad contrast levels.
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Now, the question is... is the contrast ratio any better with Benq w1070?

The previous post here says that Benq measures at the same level... Does that mean the only option is to go up a level? (5025/ 5030?) or the Sony HW40ES?

Will any kind of room treatment help? (apart from the blackout curtains)

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The grey screen will help against washout, but the Vivitek will still have deeper blacks/higher contrast.
If the Epson has features you'd be willing to take a contrast hit for, I'd either grab the 2040 from a dealer with a good return-policy (just in case) while it's cheap and see for yourself if the contrast is bothersome or good enough to justify with the features.

If you're willing to pay more, the upcoming Benq's have a chance at adding CFI and 2D-3D, but it's pretty unlikely the models getting those will also have low-lag or a price under $1000.

If the darn 1188 would just get over its fear of flying, this would be a lot easier.
I guess there's also the LG pf1000 which offers CFI and 2D-3D, but its gaming is still pretty meh at ~50ms of lag at the fastest and its price around $1200-1300 and the possibilities of its ultra short-throw messing with your mounting plans...there's a lot of IFs to think about.
@Ftoast , I am wondering what your advice is. I learned my lesson today. I thought the size of the image and the cheaper lamp price would convince me. But I can't tolerate washed out image for couple of hours.

Is benq any better or should go for Epson 5025/5030? It is definitely above what I would like to spend. But if that's what going to do it, I will give a serious thought.

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Well, I have had it a few years now and I would love ***native CFI***: right now I use a HTPC with Smooth Video Project (SVP) installed I would love to not have a need for an extra semi-powerful PC , cheap$99.00/easy to find bulbs, lower power usage, 2 year warranty, ....do you not think it's not worth the trade-off?

Oh and another question and tell me if I'm nuts: I have heard a power outage with a model like the 2030 or 2040/45 will not affect it/doesn't need cool down? Where I'm paranoid the power will go out sometime when I'm using my W1070 and possibly destroy it?
While I agree with all the benefits you listed, the issue you have might be with the reduced contrast/black level. I find if I look for the faults I began to notice them all the time.

I have been lucky and the the power hasn't gone out for me while watching in the last 22 months (3762 hours) of use. I think the kids had it go out once or twice while they were watching, but I'm not sure. (I don't even think about it but we have had a bad last several months with the power going out multiple times for no apparent reason.)

On the no cool down, it is a nice feature of the 2000-2045 series. It make the lamp seem less fragile.
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Well, I have had it a few years now and I would love ***native CFI***: right now I use a HTPC with Smooth Video Project (SVP) installed I would love to not have a need for an extra semi-powerful PC , cheap$99.00/easy to find bulbs, lower power usage, 2 year warranty, ....do you not think it's not worth the trade-off?

Oh and another question and tell me if I'm nuts: I have heard a power outage with a model like the 2030 or 2040/45 will not affect it/doesn't need cool down? Where I'm paranoid the power will go out sometime when I'm using my W1070 and possibly destroy it?
The fast-power-down feature won't help you during a blackout..it isn't a tougher lamp it's just makes the projector run the fan extra fast for a shorter time before shutting it down. The fan at shutdown isn't so much to protect the lamp, but to protect the delicate electronics from getting blasted by the full heat of the lamp.
Most projectors can handle a power-outage alright (if depending on your luck) but it'll shorten the projector's panel lifespan and can prematurely burn your panel.
An emergency battery backup (like they make for computers) only needs to run about 1minute to keep the PJ safe..otherwise an LED projector is the only kind that can shrug off a power-outage.
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Now, the question is... is the contrast ratio any better with Benq w1070?

The previous post here says that Benq measures at the same level... Does that mean the only option is to go up a level? (5025/ 5030?) or the Sony HW40ES?

Will any kind of room treatment help? (apart from the blackout curtains)
The previous post didn't say the Benq measured the same, it said the Benq measured 1200:1-1500:1 to the Epson's 300:1, a 4X-5X difference.
Even comparing dynamic contrast (an almost useless spec) where the Epson reaches over 1000:1, the Benq hits around 3000:1 dynamic CR...which is still significantly higher.

Room treatment will help improve any projector to at least some degree, so definitely go for whatever you are able.
But yes, the Benq or vivitek will have a noticeable improvement over what you're seeing.

If you're able to treat the room to dark fabric or paint and the higher price of something like the Sony doesn't cut too deep, that's an awesome leap upward.
But the ~1500:1 w1070/1075 or Vivitek 1186 will strike a firm middle-ground between the 300:1 Epson2040 and the ~4500:1 Epson5030/5025.

As long as you're safely within the return period, treat the room and see how you like it. If it's still a problem, return the 2040 and grab the 1070/1075 or 1186 unless the Sony is well within reach of your budget.
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I have a beam in the way so I just made it work. The beam limits my placement and image size, and if not for the beam I would had to use an extension.

My projector is 19 inches from the ceiling or the bottom is 9 inches below the top of the image/mounting point and the bottom of the projector is 7 feet from the floor. I hate to post the picture but it is my reality.

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I just set up my 2045 and I am confused about whether to keep it or not. I like the colors in the Dynamic mode but the contrast level is just not cutting it. Black levels seem okay to me but the contrast in bright scenes are just bad. I watch movies at dark and brighter scenes are hazy to my eyes. My wife does not care much abt picture quality, resolution etc; however, she could notice the bad contrast levels.
This is why I wait to buy stuff until smarter people then me have a chance to buy and use it. Thanks for the update.

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This is why I wait to buy stuff until smarter people then me have a chance to buy and use it. Thanks for the update.

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Well, mine was kind of an informed decision. I was hoping that the sheer size (my first projector) and the good warranty and the bulb cost will offset the image quality. But I just realized that am so fussy about the picture quality. BestBuy has a decent return policy. so no regrets.

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@drramki -

Where you watching in a dedicated light controlled room? Did you experiment with eco / low lamp modes? What kind of screen do you have?

I don't have this PJ yet - but when my room is ready I was going to give it a shot. Your's is the first negative review re. picture quality // contrast the I've read.

When you get and try the BenQ please post your impressions compared to the epson on this thread.

Have fun on your quest.
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Well, mine was kind of an informed decision. I was hoping that the sheer size (my first projector) and the good warranty and the bulb cost will offset the image quality. But I just realized that am so fussy about the picture quality. BestBuy has a decent return policy. so no regrets.

Now onto BenQ!
If you haven't already, definitely look at the Epson in different presets like Cinema and Livingroom which should have a more accurate look and possibly higher contrast than dynamic mode.

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If you haven't already, definitely look at the Epson in different presets like Cinema and Livingroom which should have a more accurate look and possibly higher contrast than dynamic mode.

Would you really recommend the BenQ to someone who is fussy about black levels/contrast?
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Would you really recommend the BenQ to someone who is fussy about black levels/contrast?
First I'd suggest trying the Epson in a better video setting and treating the room as best as possible to try and see if the more ideal situation helps (a little doubtful but it never hurts as long as you don't miss the return window).
After that, the w1070/1075 or 1186 would be the next healthy step up giving the highest contrast, most 3-dimensionality, and deepest blacks until someone is willing to pay $1600+ for something like the Sony hw40.

While the 2000/2030/2040's contrast is far below that of even a very cheap television, the w1070/1075 and 1186 can easily beat an expensive IPS flatscreen like many are used to.

The Sony is nearing plasma territory.
The Benq and Vivitek are able to match or even best a more standard TV.
This Epson is far below...about 4X weaker.

Many people are content with the contrast of a good flatscreen or well-maintained commercial theatre.
(A good theatre can measure up to 2000:1 contrast)

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Hello everyone,

I signed in after reading this thread to offer my thoughts. They are pieced together and I don't edit a whole lot so please forgive my delivery.

I am an old member and got into the projector game awhile ago. Art suggested for me the Mitsubishi HC1500 way back then and it was a great starting HD projector for us and the kids. We had a lot of fun with that and one lamp actually lasted about 8,500 hours(no, I am not lying even though Art kind of mocked me when I said it "you should send it to the Mitsubish museum" haha.

Anyway, so then I got serious and at the time the Epson 6500UB was just coming out and I was an early owner of that great machine which is still going strong. HOWEVER, the 300.00 pricepoint for replacement lamps really really gets in the way of that amazing picture eventually. We are heavy users, often the kids start up the PS3 and it stays on all day playing games, music, movies, whatever...I stopped crying about turning it off and saving the lamp long ago. What that has done for us is we end up with a dimmer picture than usual because I just can't bring myself to drop 3 bills twice a year or whatever it is to get my amazing picture back.

What's more is that the 6500(8500,5030, etc) is more of a dedicated home theater PJ and unless you have a blacked out room with zero ambient light you will not really be able to enjoy the "total blacks" and "amazing contrast level". If you have ambient light it is going to look the same or even worse than the cheaper units.

I went to bestbuy last week and picked up a 2045 to upgrade the bedroom HT. Initially I was going to put it in the livingroom HT where the 6500 is but like some have noted the placement is much different and limited and unless I bought a huge extender pole for my mount to deal with the vaulted ceiling it just wasn't going to work. It worked out well in other ways though because in anticipation of it going there I had already moved the 6500UB upstairs and was used to it after a few days watching so I can give you my impressions on the difference between the two(6500ub and 2045) in the place it was in.

I have black felt covering the back wall with a screen hole cut out. I'm just projecting on the wall because it is smooth and the picture looks great with the right paint. We have a nice screen downstairs but upstairs is just the wall and we never even think about it.

The 6500ub has deeper blacks and better contrast ratio, no getting around it. In a dark dark room with black felt everywhere you will be very happy with the 5025 or 5030. I know this because I have been watching my 6500 for years and years now and had it in a dark HT.

HOWEVER, most people would never know the difference unless you had the BETTER projector first or they were sitting side by side. The fact is this 2045 is great...awesome even. You bring in 100 people and I bet 100 people say the picture looks awesome. What's more is that I DO NOT have a perfect room for movie viewing anymore, it is a family room and we often have the lights on or it is daytime and we don't like to live in a cave. I need to keep an eye on my 4 year old, ya know?

And that's the other thing. The 6500 sat in the HT all day turned off with nobody in there while we all watched the LCD TV out in the family room. What good is that? Great for the odd movie or sporting even(GO SEAHAWKS!), but not so much for gaming or TV watching...lamp is too expensive and PJ looks bad in ambient light anyway.

The 2045 is VERY bright and pushes right through the ambient light. Much better at that than the 6500ub IME. I probably need a new bulb for the 6500ub(at 300 it's 1/3 the price of a new 2045 ENITIRE PROJECTOR!) but it's still pretty good and the 2045 is MUCH brighter and looks great. I love this new projector, my son and I sat on the bed and watched sunday night football last night with all the lights on, perfect picture, him using his tablet and spotify connect going on the AVR. There was no light washout on the screen. It was just a big bright image. Would've been unwatchable on the old HC1500 DLP. I was so impressed with the picture on the wall with all the lights on I took a picture of the scene and sent it to my wife at work all gleeful. Of course she rolled her eyes. Hey I like my new toys!

I didn't expect the best picture, I knew exactly what I was getting into and this PJ was only 850.00. Hello...I guess you new guys don't understand what this means. We have been waiting for a PJ this capable for less than 1k since the beginning! I spent 3k on the 6500 way back when. This PJ is my dream come true. If I was buying a new PJ for a dedicated HT I might get a 5030 instead but even then it would be used MUCH less, I wouldn't have it on for TV all day and I would STILL hate...HATE spending 300 bucks of my hard earned money just to get the picture that I paid all that extra money for back.

Pick your poison...amazing picture that you don't use as much and hate to have to buy back every 4,000 hours or just a bit lesser image(imho of course) with this new 2045 and all the amazing wireless features and on top of that the lamps are 99 bucks? Oh god yes! It's like nirvanna.

The screen mirroring if you have a smartphone is just plain unbeatable. We splitscreened the game to the left and funny cat videos on the right for a long while(actually watched more cat vids than game, I'll admit it). You can set it to go 66/33 split or 50/50. You can set it so that the main content is there and just your phone screen is on the right in portrait mode so it's thin and doesn't take up too much screen. All wireless, SO nice...

But really, I'm a long time PJ owner and when it comes down to it it's ALL about the replacement bulb price. Your fantastic new PJ is going to get dim, the more you want to use it and love it the quicker it happens. You might be rich and not care...good for you. Not me, I am into frugal materialism(is that a thing?) I have already seen the replacement bulbs online for 79 bucks!!! Are you kidding? Give me three and I'll be good for a couple years.

For what it's worth, I turn off the Auto Iris, I can't stand it...I did the same for my 6500ub. Neither my wife or I or my friends can really tell the difference(or it's not big enough to think about...ever). We CAN see the iris working and hear it working and both of those are a distraction.

I will use the CFI for sports only, same as the 6500.

Oh, and I'm loving the PS3 on this little guy. The input lag is nowhere to be found. Seems instant to me. Also, I played like 3k hours of skyrim alone...that dang game cost me AT LEAST 350.00 with the extra bulb I had to replace because of it in the 6500ub. With the new 2045 I.....AHEM....my kids will play games late into the night without care, not a thought about how expensive that replacement bulb is.

I won't lie though I haven't figured out how to get much out of the wifi features yet. I was under the impression that I could do away with my HDMI cable entirely? Is that not so? Something about needing a line of sight from the transmitter to the PJ. What transmitter? My Denon 1200W in the bedroom is wifi...is that what they are referring to?


The 6500UB's specs WAY outshine this new 2045 but I love them both and maybe the new one even more because of the lamp cost. Someone calling it "unwatchable"....I just don't understand. This projector looks great for what it is. Maybe you don't know what sub 1k projectors have looked like up until now? *shrugs*

I am used to my 6500UB and this new 2045 looks great to me. Huge winner for our "family room" projector and I'm expecting to use it for a few years at least. Something amazing will come out eventually I'm sure.
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btw, some people seem to be sitting in an Epson thread endlessly pointing people away from epson projectors. Is there a reason for that? I'm not trying to stir things up here but it's quite apparent if you read the thread from front to back where they stand. It has gotten to the point where I know who they are and just skip over them now because I found most of it to be completely unproductive and even a bit insulting to people who actually own them. Owning an LCD doesn't make me an lcd fanboy either, I have owned both. Just like I've owned several Nvidia and several AMD/Raedon parts for my computer. Give me bang for buck! All I care about.

Art over at projectorreviews.com initially pointed me to a DLP, then later to a LCD...he just loves projectors and he loves the epsons.

Epson has treated me VERY well in the past. After five years my old 6500 was off for six months straight and when we finally turned it on it smelled funny. I called Epson and told them and they sent me a NEW ONE(albeit refurbished, but still!) with a new bulb in it and an extra bulb as well. That's no joke, that's customer service. It's a big reason I had no trouble buying another epson after the great reviews from knowledgable people who actually test them themselves and have a reputation they care about.

I've seen people say that you should never listen to the manufacturer's claims and specs because they lie etc etc, and then the next they you are telling some new person interested in a new PJ to go buy a DLP based on manufacturer's specs...Is that not Ironic?

Do these people actually have these PJ's and can speak from personal experience? I have had both DLP and LCD and don't like one or the other any better. Both have great this or that, ALL are much better than a little TV sitting there imho. I imagine with the snobbery I am feeling as I read the posts that they wouldn't lower themselves to buying something so weak and pitiful as this 2045. So go away and talk big ticket items with other self-important snobs. You really aren't helping, in fact I'd say you were being counter-productive. And with how smart you seem to be I would imagine that is exactly the point.

Just my .02. I don't really care or anything, I'm just curious...it's like the DLP industry pays certain people to be here or something. Huge post counts and it's no wonder, 20 posts in the same thread about something they don't even own, answering everyone as if they are the resident expert. *eyeroll*

Bottom line, This little projector ROCKS! If you haven't seen it yourself you are just blowing hot air.
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Forgot one thing. To the guy who didn't like the picture in dynamic mode. Take it out of dynamic mode.

This PJ looks best in Bright Cinema imho and I just use full power for day/lights and ECO mode for nighttime/dark...looks great. I haven't even messed with the colors or any settings yet. Kind of waiting for Art to do his calibration and color setting suggestions if he does it for this one over at projectorreviews.com.

Dynamic mode is meant to push through the most ambient light the PJ can. It typically has bad colors(that actually help this) and the blacks are more washed out because it's pushing so much light. I admit I have used dynamic many times with the 6500ub but only because I had to, it doesn't push through the ambient light as well as this new 2045. 6500 is in "livingroom" most of the time, 2045 is in "bright cinema".

I'd be happy to answer any questions for people wanting information from someone that can go into the other room and actually look at it. Sorry I haven't watched a 3D movie yet so I can't answer that one but a couple reviews say they look great on this unit.

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btw, some people seem to be sitting in an Epson thread endlessly pointing people away from epson projectors. Is there a reason for that?
Thank you. I have fought this battle for two years against made up numbers and "forum experts" constantly attacking Epson while ignoring quality issues (dust), expensive lamps (look at how many are shopping for aftermarket for the Bens), bad warranty (one year and weeks to get a pj fixed) and it is the same experts over and over talking about projectors they don't even own. I don't go to the Bens threads and try to direct members to what I feel is the best entry level projector. While I've seen both, I am not an expert.

Ask the experts for a source for their claims on contrast numbers or lamp hours or warranty issues and they never respond. (I have never seen a 3000:1 test for the 1070.) When the 2000/2030 came out, they said the lamp cost was a wash because members were reporting 7000 to 8000 on the Ben's lamps. Really?

I trust projector reviews and projector central a lot more than the forum experts here because unlike these experts, the professionals are objective. (Read the reviews if you don't believe me.)

I notice that new members sometimes post and are told to take the Epson back for the BenQ while all the professional reviews say they have poor black levels similar to the Epson. The BenQs have a slight advantage is often stated.

Some "installer" recently posted an Amazon review for the 2000/2030 and said his was the only review that mattered and to get a BenQ. He said that he hated people (owners) giving 5 stars to the Epson when they didn't know what they were looking at. Bad contrast and impossible to mount correctly. When I responded and mentioned the lamp and warranty, he claimed that the Epson lamp was cheaper because the BenQ lamp was a better lamp, and that Epson has a longer warranty like a Kia because you need it. Really, I don't see anyone shopping for aftermarket lamps with the 2000/2030 and most like Epson's 2 years warranty with overnight replacement.

Epson is number when it comes to projector sales, so they don't need my help, but I do get tired of the misstatements.

Is the Epson 2000-2045 the best entry level projector? Probably not but they have a great warranty, a low cost lamp and provide a great image for the average consumer. I like how the experts downplay the added features of the 2040/45 and according to these experts the 5025/5030 sound like jet airplanes due to fan noise. According to these experts everyone picks the Sony over the 5025/5030. Really?

When new members are trying to decide, I do tell them to search dust issues with the 1070/1075 and look at Amazon for the pictures of the light leakage from the vent. I also mention searching Benq 1070/1075 lamps on this site and then do a similar search for Epson 2000/2030 for both dust and lamps.

I don't mind a member providing a honest opinion on any projector if they own it. I have a ViewSonic and I think dust is becoming an issue, but I got my $300ish out of it. I like the Epson HC2000 and haven't had any problems. I was able to mount it but my image is not perfect because I worked with my ceiling and the projector is not centered which is my fault not the projectors. Black levels could be better and motion could be better, but it is entry level and doesn't bother me enough to step up to a better projector. I have never noticed a screen door effect and I sit 15 feet (sometimes closer for 3D) to a 169 inch image. The 3D looks great and do I recommend it to friends, family and co-workers, yes, but I let them come over and see for themselves. (According the Amazon "installer" they are too dumb to know what looks good.)

So thank you again, but on this forum Epson bad BenQ/Sony good.
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Epson is great, it's just the Vivitek has an even longer warranty (I think it even includes a 1year on the lamp which is rare in the US), costs the same or less while offering better motion, higher contrast, more flexible placement and one or two unique features of its own.

The Epson 3000 offers similar contrast as the Benq and Vivitek and even more placement flexibility for those mounting below the screen's top, but weaker motion, slower response, more expensive lamps and a price that's a couple hundred higher.

The refurbished Epson 8345 was even more flexible easy to find cheap lamps and had very solid contrast AND fast response all for a crazy low price, but their supply has sadly dried up.
I was suggested that Epson pretty often when I can.

Both Steve and myself were posting measured contrast from the same professional review. Nobody here was listing silly manufacturer specs, and (to Steve) the 3000:1 dynamic contrast measurement was taken from the same review and same page as the native contrast you and I both posted...it's literally a few lines lower I believe.
Otherwise, both Krain and ben35 have measured similar results in separate threads here on AVS.

It's not about brand or technology.
It's about getting better picture-quality for less money.

If someone was looking in a thread dedicated to a $500 720p LED LCD model from China, I certainly hope folks would take the time to explain all about the brighter and cheaper and largely all-around better Epson 2000/2030, rather than keeping quiet for the sake of not appearing rude or snobby.
Many people simply don't know what else is available and don't bother with reading to look.

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@drramki -

Where you watching in a dedicated light controlled room? Did you experiment with eco / low lamp modes? What kind of screen do you have?

I don't have this PJ yet - but when my room is ready I was going to give it a shot. Your's is the first negative review re. picture quality // contrast the I've read.

When you get and try the BenQ please post your impressions compared to the epson on this thread.

Have fun on your quest.
My rec room is treated in noway. I have biege walls and I was projecting onto my wall. However, it was late in the night when I set it up; so it was dark enough. It could as well be reflecting light from the walls but I think the native contrast levels are just that. I can see decent black levels in dark scenes (I tested with a number of scenes from How to Train your dragon, Bourne series, Amelie etc and a number of 1080p trailers available in Youtube). This is in no way comprehensive in any means.

However, having viewed Plasma TVs over the last 8 years I am used to really good black levels and contrast ratio. I bought a Vizio P-series last year which got rave reviews from all avenues (including AVSForum). I bought it because I wasn't able to get hold of a Panasonic plasma at that time. So I got this 50" Vizio LCD with active LED dimming zones and what not. I started watching Dark Knight immediately I came home and I was disappointed with the washed out picture. I kept it for a day just to watch it in a pitch dark night and it didn't change my opinion. I went and returned it to get a samsung plasma. It was absolutely amazing out of the box. Even though I am not a professional, I am used to 'good' picture quality and I can differentiate the bad one.

As far the modes, I tried all the modes I liked Dynamic and Bright Cinema modes. Natural and the other mode is totally washed out. I liked the bright colors but it was a hazy picture. I tried adjusting the image settings but I couldn't get over the contrast levels. I will keep it and play with it for few more days and I will most probably return it before the weekend.

Bottom line is if you are fine with bright LCD TVs with popping colors, you might like this. If you like crisp, blacky black and high contrasty plasma, it is highly likely you won't like it.

Of course, these are only 'my' opinions. Good luck~!

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If you haven't already, definitely look at the Epson in different presets like Cinema and Livingroom which should have a more accurate look and possibly higher contrast than dynamic mode.
I will. I am going to watch it for next few days before the weekend. Thanks~!
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I think for my first projector and now that best buy has it for 849.00 with a 200.00 gift card that I can use for my new 3d 4k receiver which I need. Its a no brainer over the benq1075 and the vivitek 1186.
Anyone reccomend me a receiver from best buy in the 500 to 600 range.
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