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Buddylee123 08-05-2015 05:22 PM

The Offical Epson 2040 Thread
 
I have been researching projectors and just noticed that Epson announced three new ones. I am interested in this one so I figured I would start a thread. If I need to change or add anything please let me know.

http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/j...sku=V11H707020

Projection System: Epson 3LCD, 3-chip technology

Projection Method: Front / rear / ceiling mount

Product Color: Whiteand Gray

Driving Method: EpsonPoly-silicon TFT Active Matrix

Projected Output: 2D,3D, Full HD 1080p

Pixel Number: 2,073,600 dots (1920 x 1080) x 3

Color Brightness (Color Light Ouput): 2200 lumens1

White Brightness (White Light Output): 2200 lumens1

Aspect Ratio: Native16:9 widescreen

Native Resolution: Native 1080p (1920 x 1080)

Resize: 16:10, 4:3

Lamp Type: 200 W UHE

Lamp Life:

•ECO mode: Up to 7500 hours2

•Normal mode: Up to 4000 hours2

Throw Ratio Range: 1.22 (Zoom: Wide) – 1.47 (Zoom: Tele)

Size (projected distance): 34" – 332" at (2.98 ft - 35.89 ft)

Keystone Correction:

•Vertical: ±30 degrees (Auto)

•Horizontal: ±30 degrees (Slide bar)

Contrast Ratio: Up to35,000:1

Color Reproduction: Full-color (up to 1.07 billion colors)

Color Processing: Full 10 bits

Zoom Ratio: 1.0 – 1.2manual


EDITED: added link to Epson website.

southpaw85 08-05-2015 06:42 PM

If definitely looks interesting. Based on the press release it appears that there are legitimate updates to the 2030. Frame interpolation, a new lcd panel, and epson is utilizing a completely new auto iris system from an outside tech company that is supposed to create "deep" blacks. We'll see, but I'm looking forward to reviews.

Edit: it looks like it has super resolution as well.

Starting price $799.

steve1106 08-05-2015 07:03 PM

Thanks for posting this. Even if it is only a slight upgrade in the "real" contrast, the super resolution and frame interpolation might make me give away one of my HC2000s for a new HC2040 or 2045. At the very least, this means the HC2000/2030 will drop to lower prices as they clear inventory.

Buddylee123 08-07-2015 11:16 AM

I'm very interested in this projector but I'm still not sure that it will meet my needs. My projector will be going into a completely dark room with black walls. I wish they would update the Epson 8350 because there are not may choices between 800 dollars and 2000 dollars for the 5025ub which seems to be the next step up.

Mr.G 08-08-2015 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buddylee123 (Post 36294850)
I have been researching projectors and just noticed that Epson announced three new ones. I am interested in this one so I figured I would start a thread. If I need to change or add anything please let me know.

Since you can't post a link to the projector yet, here it is on the Epson website.

http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/j...sku=V11H707020

Ron Jones 08-08-2015 02:38 PM

See Art's info on the new Epson's at:


http://www.projectorreviews.com/the-...2040-and-2045/

Mr.G 08-09-2015 07:02 AM

Art's review is really just a description of features since he has not actually tested the 2040.

The only new information I picked up from his article was the price.

Quote:

The base Home Cinema 2040 has an official “street price” of $799 while the HC2045 comes in $50 higher at $849. They will be sold by a a small group of key e-tailers, as well as through retailers.
That is a very intriguing price point.

Ron Jones 08-10-2015 04:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.G (Post 36365858)
Art's review is really just a description of features since he has not actually tested the 2040.

The only new information I picked up from his article was the price.



That is a very intriguing price point.

I would expect that we (Projector Reviews) will have an actual review for these new projectors at some point.

Manlystanley 08-17-2015 06:09 AM



I moved to a new house, and need a projector that has a different focal length. The Benq 1070/1075 and Epson 2040/2045 both fit the bill. I'm waiting till the reviews come up to purchase. Right now I am thinking that the Epson 2045 sounds like the best. We will see.


Best Regards,
Stan

CARTmen 08-17-2015 01:36 PM

This are very interesting news.
Do you think the 3D will be good? I'm always afraid of ghost with 3D because it gives me headaches.

Manlystanley 08-17-2015 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CARTmen (Post 36569050)
This are very interesting news.
Do you think the 3D will be good? I'm always afraid of ghost with 3D because it gives me headaches.

The reviews should start coming out in weeks from now. We should know better then. Epson is moving a lot of there digital processing from the 5030 down to the 2040. So, this is technology that is fully test. But, now on a new platform, of course. We will find out.

Best Regards,
Stan

CARTmen 08-17-2015 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manlystanley (Post 36572106)
The reviews should start coming out in weeks from now. We should know better then. Epson is moving a lot of there digital processing from the 5030 down to the 2040. So, this is technology that is fully test. But, now on a new platform, of course. We will find out.

Best Regards,
Stan

Thanks for the answer Stan. I'm also waiting to see the news about the BenQ w1110, so no hurry.

Manlystanley 08-17-2015 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CARTmen (Post 36572234)
Thanks for the answer Stan. I'm also waiting to see the news about the BenQ w1110, so no hurry.

Cool. I didn't even know about the BenQ w1110. I can already see multiple threads starting next month of: BenQ w1110 vs Epson 2045 .......


Thanks,
Stan

Zoltrix 08-17-2015 05:59 PM

Anyone know if these new models will be released outside the United States?

Also, why are the 2040 and 2045 the same price on the Epson website, why would you buy the 2040?

Manlystanley 08-17-2015 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoltrix (Post 36575690)
Anyone know if these new models will be released outside the United States?

Also, why are the 2040 and 2045 the same price on the Epson website, why would you buy the 2040?


The 2040 should be US $650 (I think) and the 2045 should be $699. Others can correct me. But, the price difference is $50.

Best Regards,
Stan

Zoltrix 08-17-2015 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Manlystanley (Post 36576290)
The 2040 should be US $650 (I think) and the 2045 should be $699. Others can correct me. But, the price difference is $50.

Best Regards,
Stan

The Epson site lists both at the same price of $799.99? But I guess that is RRP.

Manlystanley 08-18-2015 03:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoltrix (Post 36577386)
The Epson site lists both at the same price of $799.99? But I guess that is RRP.


Interesting. Why would anyone buy the 2040 then??

Best Regards,
Stan

Zoltrix 08-18-2015 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manlystanley (Post 36582402)
Interesting. Why would anyone buy the 2040 then??

Best Regards,
Stan

Or better yet, why would you buy the 2030, that is also listed at $799.99 lol

jclub 08-24-2015 11:01 AM

Very interested in the Epson 2040. Any word on the replacement lamp cost? Wondering if it will be $99 like the 2000/2030 models.

Buddylee123 08-24-2015 11:31 AM

Projectoreviews.com has a comparison with the Benq 1075 coming soon. They also have a few pictures of the Epson 2040 in this article.

http://www.projectorreviews.com/the-...e-cinema-2040/

Ftoast 08-24-2015 11:44 AM

Expect a 2000/2030 running 3000/3500/3600-ish software (aka, CFI and 2D-3D and an extra sharpness menu setting).

Pro- same $99 replacement lamps.
EDIT: It looks like Epson absolutely nailed the input-lag problem with this model..reviews are saying it is about as fast as they come.

Con- same 300:1 contrast.
Also they didn't squeeze any zoom or lens-shift in there..and it likely has the same odd offset as its older sisters.

steve1106 08-24-2015 01:52 PM

I often question as an owner of two of the Epson HC2000s what would happen if I went to the BenQ threads to attack the projector everytime someone posted an interest in getting one, what the response would be. For the record, I sampled the BenQ W1070 for about three hours and I really didn't notice much difference other than the light leakage from the BenQ, so I purchased a second HC2000. It also helped that I have seen no reports of exploding lamps, rainbows, dust issues or having to replace the lamp at 1500 hours unlike an other popular projector that I will not name. ;)

For me the HC2040, addresses a few of the things that I think could be improved upon: sharpness and black levels. Motion and gaming lag aren't issues for me.

I look forward to Art's review, but at the end of the day the $99 lamp (if offered), 2 year warranty and the fact that I have had a Epson HC2000 for almost 3500 lamp hours and 21 months of problem free service, will be the deciding factor for me. As several reviews said about the HC2000/2030, it is the best choice as a TV replacement which is my primary use. A TV with a 169inch image.

Ftoast 08-24-2015 05:03 PM

You can feel free to attack the non-upgrade "upgrade" new Benq models as I've also done..but it might feel a little redundant.

My post above wasn't attacking outliers nor obscure features, it was directly addressing all-model traits that were being questioned.
Things that will be experienced by any 2040 user to some degree or another that previous posters were asking about...aspects good, bad, and neutral.

steve1106 08-24-2015 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ftoast (Post 36755922)
You can feel free to attack the non-upgrade "upgrade" new Benq models as I've also done..but it might feel a little redundant.

My post above wasn't attacking outliers nor obscure features, it was directly addressing all-model traits that were being questioned.
Things that will be experienced by any 2040 user to some degree or another that previous posters were asking about...aspects good, bad, and neutral.


To be clear, I am talking about great entry level projectors (HC2000/2030 and W1070/1075) and two companies pushing each other....but:


Really... so if I look at a sampling of your posts, I will not see Epson bad BENQ GOOD. I might have you confused with other posters who often attack the Epsons and other brands in favor of the BenQs. I may be wrong but don't you have or had a BenQ?


I notice the same posters over and over jump in with negative about the Epsons be it the 2030, 8345, 8350, 3000s, 5025 and 5030. Do you have one of these models?


Yes, the current 2030 has a native contrast of 324:1 corrected with the auto iris to 1170:1 vs the BenQ W1075's native 1062:1. (Source: Sound & Vision) What is the contrast of the average movie theater 500:1 or a 1000:1? (Source: Wiki) I know I prefer my Epson to my year old Regal Cinema.


Like you I like to look at the expert reviews good or bad...but some forum experts seem to make statements based on what they own and not facts. (2030 has no real lamp price advantage since the BenQ's lamp will last 5000 hours to the Epson's 2000ish hours - made up fact - look on the forum at BenQ and replacing the lamp or my BenQ lamp blew up.) I recognize that LCD projectors aren't for everyone and maybe some really do see a screen door effect, we do at about 4 or 5 feet from our 169 inch image, but who sits that close?


So forgive me if I wait for the expert review and enjoy my projector with the odd placement to see what improvements Epson has made to the 2040 be it positive/negative or no real difference.


I saw all negative into your prior post and responded. (You did list the $99 lamp as a pro. :))

Ftoast 08-25-2015 01:33 AM

I think if Epson chose to squeeze even a tiny bit of the 8345/8350 qualities into their 2000/3000 lines, they'd be much more competitive.
The 8350/8345 has faster input-response than anything else they make by far, 3x the contrast and much more placement flexibility than the 2000's and a stronger price (and still more flexibility) than the 3000 series.

I wish Epson put more work into the contrast and lens of their 2000's or simply replaced the series by lowering the 3000's prices to compete against the DLPs (and brought the 3000's lamp price back down to $99-150).
I wish Epson went back to making a low-lag model so gamers wouldn't have to compromise if choosing an LCD.
I'm super happy for what they're doing for competition prices with Sony and the hw40 VS 5025/5030 and their $99 lamp has to be doing something at least somewhat similar to the market in general.

I do like to see these easy (but enjoyable) software features no longer relegated to the $1500+ crowd..this Epson, the new RGB Vivitek, and LG have done a good job forcing folks to realize this software is nothing you should have to pay extra for.

The fact that a fan of Epson or LCD has to buy a 1/2decade old model for speed or pay almost twice as much for similar contrast as a cheap DLP..that makes me mad, because Epson has already proven they could easily remedy that.
Imagine if the 2040 didn't need gamer-mode for speed, added a tiny bit of vertical lens-shift and hit 900:1CR for the same $700-750..
Imagine if Optoma simply plopped an RGB wheel into the 141..
If Benq slipped CFI and 2D-3D into the 1075 at the same input-speed.
If the 5025 and hw40 permanently set prices around $1500.
It FEELS like we're almost there, but the companies are dragging their feet.

steve1106 08-25-2015 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ftoast (Post 36762642)
I think if Epson chose to squeeze even a tiny bit of the 8345/8350 qualities into their 2000/3000 lines, they'd be much more competitive.
The 8350/8345 has faster input-response than anything else they make by far, 3x the contrast and much more placement flexibility than the 2000's and a stronger price (and still more flexibility) than the 3000 series.

I wish Epson put more work into the contrast and lens of their 2000's or simply replaced the series by lowering the 3000's prices to compete against the DLPs (and brought the 3000's lamp price back down to $99-150).
I wish Epson went back to making a low-lag model so gamers wouldn't have to compromise if choosing an LCD.
I'm super happy for what they're doing for competition prices with Sony and the hw40 VS 5025/5030 and their $99 lamp has to be doing something at least somewhat similar to the market in general.

I do like to see these easy (but enjoyable) software features no longer relegated to the $1500+ crowd..this Epson, the new RGB Vivitek, and LG have done a good job forcing folks to realize this software is nothing you should have to pay extra for.

The fact that a fan of Epson or LCD has to buy a 1/2decade old model for speed or pay almost twice as much for similar contrast as a cheap DLP..that makes me mad, because Epson has already proven they could easily remedy that.
Imagine if the 2040 didn't need gamer-mode for speed, added a tiny bit of vertical lens-shift and hit 900:1CR for the same $700-750..
Imagine if Optoma simply plopped an RGB wheel into the 141..
If Benq slipped CFI and 2D-3D into the 1075 at the same input-speed.
If the 5025 and hw40 permanently set prices around $1500.
It FEELS like we're almost there, but the companies are dragging their feet.

Well said and sorry, I've got to stop posting after midnight.

Buddylee123 08-25-2015 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ftoast (Post 36762642)
I think if Epson chose to squeeze even a tiny bit of the 8345/8350 qualities into their 2000/3000 lines, they'd be much more competitive.
The 8350/8345 has faster input-response than anything else they make by far, 3x the contrast and much more placement flexibility than the 2000's and a stronger price (and still more flexibility) than the 3000 series.

I wish Epson put more work into the contrast and lens of their 2000's or simply replaced the series by lowering the 3000's prices to compete against the DLPs (and brought the 3000's lamp price back down to $99-150).
I wish Epson went back to making a low-lag model so gamers wouldn't have to compromise if choosing an LCD.
I'm super happy for what they're doing for competition prices with Sony and the hw40 VS 5025/5030 and their $99 lamp has to be doing something at least somewhat similar to the market in general.

I do like to see these easy (but enjoyable) software features no longer relegated to the $1500+ crowd..this Epson, the new RGB Vivitek, and LG have done a good job forcing folks to realize this software is nothing you should have to pay extra for.

The fact that a fan of Epson or LCD has to buy a 1/2decade old model for speed or pay almost twice as much for similar contrast as a cheap DLP..that makes me mad, because Epson has already proven they could easily remedy that.
Imagine if the 2040 didn't need gamer-mode for speed, added a tiny bit of vertical lens-shift and hit 900:1CR for the same $700-750..
Imagine if Optoma simply plopped an RGB wheel into the 141..
If Benq slipped CFI and 2D-3D into the 1075 at the same input-speed.
If the 5025 and hw40 permanently set prices around $1500.
It FEELS like we're almost there, but the companies are dragging their feet.


This is how I feel. I'm not an expert on projectors but from my research it seems like every projector except the Sony hw40 have flaws that I can't live with.


Benq 1075 is too bright for my room and I don't want to put a filter on it. Just make a cheaper projector for a dark room Benq.


Epson's have input lag, bad contrast and they are also too bright. I have read that the Epsons reduce resolution in game mode.


The one I really want is the LG PF1500 but the lag is way too high for me to game on. If LG would fix this I would be set on getting this projector.

Ftoast 08-25-2015 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buddylee123 (Post 36767058)
This is how I feel. I'm not an expert on projectors but from my research it seems like every projector except the Sony hw40 have flaws that I can't live with.

Benq 1075 is too bright for my room and I don't want to put a filter on it. Just make a cheaper projector for a dark room Benq.

Epson's have input lag, bad contrast and they are also too bright. I have read that the Epsons reduce resolution in game mode.

The one I really want is the LG PF1500 but the lag is way too high for me to game on. If LG would fix this I would be set on getting this projector.

The Sony during a sale from an unauthorized dealer hits ~$1650 plus an extra ~$150 if you want a warranty (though it IS a great SquareTrade warranty). And can be taken down to around 600lumens.

The Epson 8345/8350 is able to be set down to 500lumens in more accurate modes and has very fast input-speed naturally without "game-mode".

The Benq can be dimmed down to about 800-900lumens in cinema-mode with brilliantcolor set OFF and lamp set Eco (not SmartEco).

The LG can get faster feeling response by renaming your hdmi input as PC, but the 8345/1075/hw40 are still faster.

The LG and this new 2040 are an interesting matchup. Similar placement limitations, similar gaming limitations, the Epson starts brighter and uses a very inexpensive lamp while the LG gives consistently solid brightness higher contrast and doesn't require replacement lamps, both are pretty full-featured with CFI and extras, the Epson has full 3D support which the LG lacks while the LG has built-in media-player and wireless streaming..the LG is under $1000 while the Epson is even less expensive. Both are sized well for portability.
..neat.

Buddylee123 08-25-2015 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ftoast (Post 36771682)
The Sony during a sale from an unauthorized dealer hits ~$1650 plus an extra ~$150 if you want a warranty (though it IS a great SquareTrade warranty). And can be taken down to around 600lumens.

The Epson 8345/8350 is able to be set down to 500lumens in more accurate modes and has very fast input-speed naturally without "game-mode".

The Benq can be dimmed down to about 800-900lumens in cinema-mode with brilliantcolor set OFF and lamp set Eco (not SmartEco).

The LG can get faster feeling response by renaming your hdmi input as PC, but the 8345/1075/hw40 are still faster.

The LG and this new 2040 are an interesting matchup. Similar placement limitations, similar gaming limitations, the Epson starts brighter and uses a very inexpensive lamp while the LG gives consistently solid brightness higher contrast and doesn't require replacement lamps, both are pretty full-featured with CFI and extras, the Epson has full 3D support which the LG lacks while the LG has built-in media-player and wireless streaming..the LG is under $1000 while the Epson is even less expensive. Both are sized well for portability.
..neat.


Thanks for the information. I was interested in the Epson 8345/8350 but they seem a little long in the tooth. I started a thread about the chance of Epson updating this model and was told that the new 3000 series models are the updates. Seems kinda strange because they are different projectors.


Has anyone been able to test the lag on the LG after the input is renamed PC? If its close to 40ms I would be happy.

CARTmen 09-02-2015 04:43 PM



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