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Vivitek H5098 Interchangeable Lens DLP Projector at CES 2016

With the alphabet soup of UHD, HDR, 4K, P3/DCI capturing people’s attention these days, it’s easy to forget the pleasures provided by a nice 1080p BT.709-capable front-projection system: low prices, great image quality, and a huge selection of content on Blu-ray. At CES 2016, I saw a new projector from Vivitek that aims to offer performance, value, and flexibility—the H5098.


Vivitek's H5098 DLP projector.

The specs are in the range you’d expect for a projector with an MSRP of $3000, and street pricing that will range from $2500-$3000 depending on the channel. For the money, you get a single-chip DLP projector with a six-segment RGBRGB color wheel. It provides 2000 lumens with a 50,000:1 contrast ratio, and it can cover the BT.709 color space as well as sRGB—lamp life is listed as 5000 hours. So far, nothing to get terribly excited about, but those specs do improve upon the $2000 Vivitek H5080 that offers 1700 lumens and a 25,000:1 contrast ratio.

What’s unusual about the H5098 is it offers five interchangeable lens options, along with both horizontal and vertical lens shift that works with all the lenses. The idea is you can choose the optimum lens for your installation. Depending on the lens you choose, the projector's throw ratio can be anything between 0.77:1 and 5:1. Vivitek sent me this chart that lists the compatible lenses and their features:


You can add the H5098 to the list of projectors that are compatible with these lenses.

Vivitek did not offer a dark-room demo at CES; the projector was out on the open show floor, which was very bright. I hope to get my hands on an H5098 to review; the world can use another good option when it comes to 1080p home-theater projectors. It will ship this April.

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The price seems reasonable. It will be interesting to see how it tests out. 2,000 lumens with a real world 1,200 is typical. Not much to talk about. RGB/RGB with a 6x or 2x color wheel? Worth knowing about. Built for business or residential? Both? Okay, how does it perform?

The lenses are great. What do the cost? Is that a completely separate purchase?
I'm sure they cover all sorts of zoom ranges... Awesome for sure.

But, does this projector outperform the 5030, HW40ES, or any JVC model or does it look like a BenQ 2050 in an expensive dress?

Texas Instruments hasn't improved their 1080p chip in years and years now. Reboxing it and selling it for more just isn't playing out when LCD and LCoS have upped the game so much.

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The price seems reasonable. It will be interesting to see how it tests out. 2,000 lumens with a real world 1,200 is typical. Not much to talk about. RGB/RGB with a 6x or 2x color wheel? Worth knowing about. Built for business or residential? Both? Okay, how does it perform?

The lenses are great. What do the cost? Is that a completely separate purchase?
I'm sure they cover all sorts of zoom ranges... Awesome for sure.

But, does this projector outperform the 5030, HW40ES, or any JVC model or does it look like a BenQ 2050 in an expensive dress?

Texas Instruments hasn't improved their 1080p chip in years and years now. Reboxing it and selling it for more just isn't playing out when LCD and LCoS have upped the game so much.
I reached out to Vivitek for more info, especially regarding the lenses. If I get anything I'll post it.

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I'd love to see more lower-priced projectors offer different lens options so the projector can truly be in the very back of the room or even outside the theater room, projecting through a porthole like in a real cinema.
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The interchangeable lens on this Vivitek and the very similar BenQ W8000 may finally give those of us with small rooms and short throw distances a higher end option. Currently the only "Home Theater" choice for me is the pretty good, but not great W1070 (and variants). Better optics, quieter operation and a significant improvement in on/off contrast would make these new mid-range DLP's tempting...but probably not tempting enough to take the $3000 1080P plunge at the dawn of UHD.
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The interchangeable lens on this Vivitek and the very similar BenQ W8000 may finally give those of us with small rooms and short throw distances a higher end option. Currently the only "Home Theater" choice for me is the pretty good, but not great W1070 (and variants). Better optics, quieter operation and a significant improvement in on/off contrast would make these new mid-range DLP's tempting...but probably not tempting enough to take the $3000 1080P plunge at the dawn of UHD.
It's not likely to be notably quieter nor higher contrast than the Benq 2050. The better optics can give it better ANSI contrast most likely and an even sharper image, but even the cheapest DLPs already exceed well in both of those areas so the differences would be subtle at best.
It has the budget-style Dynamic-Eco and no iris EDIT: I'm wrong, it DOES have a dynamic iris.

The 1085/2050/1186 cover practically every throw from 0.7:1-2.1:1 for $600-800. Sure you lose horizontal lens-shift, but I'd really hope anyone willing to drop a few hundred let alone $3000 on a singlechip DLP would take 30seconds to make sure its mount is centered, and the amount of shift is unlikely to be enough to overcome any serious obstacle.

It'd be really neat if they actually made some form of improvement to either contrast or brightness to warrant the price..maybe next year?

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... The 1085/2050/1186 cover practically every throw from 0.7:1-2.1:1 for $600-800. ...
This is a really good observation. These BenQ and Vivitek models are generally considered to be very close in overall performance and, taken together, they cover a wide throw range so that at least one of them should suit most room layouts. This is a useful bit of information for many of the entry level projector threads.
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I don’t really understand the idea of interchangeable lens. On a camera you will change an interchangeable lens depending on what you are using the camera to shoot. In the case of a projector once you make the selection it sits there and never moves. As a business projector maybe it would have merit as when I take a portable to a new place I might need a longer or shorter throw. I’m assuming you get the projector and one lens to start. It would be nice for a retailer to not have to stock 5 different projectors.

Now if the projector did anamorphic compression and it had a quick change optics to do the stretch that would be interesting to many at that price point. I would rather see an anamorphic projector though.

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It's not likely to be notably quieter nor higher contrast than the Benq 2050. The better optics can give it better ANSI contrast most likely and an even sharper image, but even the cheapest DLPs already exceed well in both of those areas so the differences would be subtle at best.
It has the budget-style Dynamic-Eco and no iris, so it appears to be a large-room model without the typical brightness. .......................................



It'd be really neat if they actually made some form of improvement to either contrast or brightness to warrant the price..maybe next year?

The H5080 platform that this is using has a powered manual iris and Pixelworks frame by frame contrast enhancement feature, we can expect the H5098 to have similar capabilties though to a lesser extent due to the brightness increase.
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I don’t really understand the idea of interchangeable lens. On a camera you will change an interchangeable lens depending on what you are using the camera to shoot. In the case of a projector once you make the selection it sits there and never moves. As a business projector maybe it would have merit as when I take a portable to a new place I might need a longer or shorter throw. I’m assuming you get the projector and one lens to start. It would be nice for a retailer to not have to stock 5 different projectors.

Now if the projector did anamorphic compression and it had a quick change optics to do the stretch that would be interesting to many at that price point.
I would rather see an anamorphic projector though.
Yeah, I mentioned that when I was at the booth.

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I don’t really understand the idea of interchangeable lens
Better optical performance is expected from a fixed focal length lens, like in photography. Lens designer can optimize such things as sharpness, chromatic aberrations, vignetting etc. much better for a fixed focal length than for a zoom. A zoom with similar optical characteristics as a fixed lens generally will be much bulkier, heavier and much more expensive and will still probably have more compromises.

One should expect better sharpness and brightness uniformity across the field (esp. the corners) and less CAs and fringing. Also more ANSI contrast. Vivitar is a very respectable lens designer. Vivitar 1 90mm F/2.5 ("Bokina") is still one of the sharpest lenses for 35mm SLR format.
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Better optical performance is expected from a fixed focal length lens, like in photography. Lens designer can optimize such things as sharpness, chromatic aberrations, vignetting etc. much better for a fixed focal length than for a zoom. A zoom with similar optical characteristics as a fixed lens generally will be much bulkier, heavier and much more expensive and will still probably have more compromises.

One should expect better sharpness and brightness uniformity across the field (esp. the corners) and less CAs and fringing. Also more ANSI contrast. Vivitar is a very respectable lens designer. Vivitar 1 90mm F/2.5 ("Bokina") is still one of the sharpest lenses for 35mm SLR format.
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So this projector is a fixed focal length?

I had assumed it was designed with additional optics to change the focal length within a zoom range of independent optics?

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So this projector is a fixed focal length?
Looking more closely at the table above I see that only ST lens is fixed, others are zoom lenses. Oh, well. I still hold on to what I said fixed vs. zoom lenses.
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Horizontal and vertical lens shift on a short throw lens? That sounds very interesting.
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I wish all companies did this, so many great projectors and I am basically limited to short throw only projectors, yeah I know there are a few lens attachments that can air in changing the throw but they either degrade the image or cost as much if not more than the projector itself.

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I wish all companies did this, so many great projectors and I am basically limited to short throw only projectors, yeah I know there are a few lens attachments that can air in changing the throw but they either degrade the image or cost as much if not more than the projector itself.
This isn't really any different. The lenses (even if several are included in the price) are quite expensive.

I do agree that having regular-priced projectors available at different throws through a simple lens-swap (probably at the factory) would be fantastic.
Such as having the Benq w1070/1080st and LG pf1500/pf1000u options available for something like the Sony hw40/hw40st.
The company would have a base model with a short/standard/long lens option you choose when buying which keeps their overhead a little lower than a whole different model and keeps your price lower since you only need one specific lens which is a standard inclusion.

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There is an update on Vivitek's website that shows the H5095 (H5098) will have a dynamic iris, see the link below and look at "key features".

http://www.vivitek.in/Products/Home-...ors/H5095.html
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It would be interesting to establish whether or not there is an image fidelity difference over the H1188. I think the H5098 has the same DMD,FI and video processing engine. The differences could arise from the lenses which may have been built using superior glass. Furthermore, it would be nice if the H5098 is closer to the rated 2,000 lumens. One thing that I do like about the H5098 is the centered lens in a simple and elegant body.

If anyone here has had the privilege of comparing the two aforementioned projectors, please share your experience and observations with us.

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Any H5098 users out there ?

Does this projector provide a better image than the H1188 considering the better glass ?

What else is superior in the H5098 when compared to the H1188 besides the overall aesthetics and centred lens ?
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