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I can do this using the "shrink" feature on my Lumagen HDQ. Really easy to program and save as a preset for instant recall but like you said, it's not full resolution anymore. But since I have a lens in place, I have retired my HDQ coz to me, the 45es' built in aspect ratio stretch and squeeze is much more easier and better looking.
Interesting. While I realize it's difficult to scientifically prove I thought the scaling on the Lumagen was considerably better than what the Sony did internally.

But then again I may love my Lumagen too much. Great scaling, allows me to auto cal perfectly and I love being able to expand most of the anamorphic lens pincushion into the frame and then use the Lumagen shrink function to avoid excessive image loss on the edges.
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Getting frustrated with the leveling of the the projector with ceiling mounts.

Do you guys see any issues using a ceiling shelf similar to the over head garage storage but on a smaller scale keeping the projector in a shelf mounted position not inverted and lens shifting like I would if I were inverted?

I feel like I could control the leveling and wouldn't worry about the bolts moving slightly like on a ceiling mount.

My back wall is to far away to shelf mount.

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Getting frustrated with the leveling of the the projector with ceiling mounts.

Do you guys see any issues using a ceiling shelf similar to the over head garage storage but on a smaller scale keeping the projector in a shelf mounted position not inverted and lens shifting like I would if I were inverted?

I feel like I could control the leveling and wouldn't worry about the bolts moving slightly like on a ceiling mount.

My back wall is to far away to shelf mount.

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If you don't want to deal with ceiling and if your back wall is too far away you can use bookcase or tall shelf that goes behind your seating area as an option.

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If you don't want to deal with ceiling and if your back wall is too far away you can use bookcase or tall shelf that goes behind your seating area as an option.
Yeah thought about that but it would be weird since I have a bar on the back wall behind the seating. Those seats would take be able to see the screen

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Yeah thought about that but it would be weird since I have a bar on the back wall behind the seating. Those seats would take be able to see the screen

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In the middle of the first row below the back of the seat height?
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In the middle of the first row below the back of the seat height?
Sorry it's late. Not sure what you mean . Behind my theater seats is a bar I don't really want anything behind the chairs because they recline and the bar is only a few feet away .

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Getting frustrated with the leveling of the the projector with ceiling mounts. ...
Take the time to thoroughly understand all that's required for a proper ceiling mount. Be patient in making all the proper adjustments. Get it right one time and you never have to worry about it again.
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I can confirm that these glasses do work with the 45es but both my pairs seem to have a buzzing sound emitting from them near the on/off button. Ill be contacting the company this week.

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Ok I messed up somewhere in my calculations. I have a 10ft ceiling and want a 135 inch screen. Projector lens will be atleast 13 ft 6 inches away from screen.

I have my projector hung right now and the biggest I can get is 132inch diagonal. I am using a mount that is 6 inches from the ceiling and the vertical lens shift puts the projector in a decent spot. Projector central shows from 13'4 I should be able to hit 135 inch screen but I am not getting close. I also used a level on the projector and it appears level yet the screen is not square 67 inches left side just shy of 66 inches tall right side. I turned and tilted the projector to try and square the screen but looks like it made it worse.

Should i return https://www.amazon.com/QualGear-PRB-...r%2Bmount&th=1 and get one with a drop pole to avoid using lens shift?

Ive hung two projectors before Optoma Hd20 and Epson 2045 without issues so I am not sure what I am missing.

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I don't believe lens shift is the issue. You need to move the projector back a few inches to get the few extra inches you are looking for. The calculator on Projector Central is a good tool but not necessarily perfect.

Is it possible to move the mount back a few inches? Or rig the mount so the projector sits a few inches further back?
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I don't believe lens shift is the issue. You need to move the projector back a few inches to get the few extra inches you are looking for. The calculator on Projector Central is a good tool but not necessarily perfect.

Is it possible to move the mount back a few inches? Or rig the mount so the projector sits a few inches further back?
I ended up moving the projector back several feet got it to work now. Thx

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Can someone post Kraines settings or a link to it? I don't see it on the first page and there's no way I'm scrolling through each page.
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Can someone post Kraines settings or a link to it? I don't see it on the first page and there's no way I'm scrolling through each page.
Here is the link, you will need to translate it to English.
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Can someone post Kraines settings or a link to it? I don't see it on the first page and there's no way I'm scrolling through each page.
Here is the link, you will need to translate it to English.
http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...ny-vpl-hw45es/
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How much of a real world upgrade in image quality is the HW45 over the Hw40?
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How much of a real world upgrade in image quality is the HW45 over the Hw40?
It is discernable. Better contrast, more refined image, with better motion handling in my opinion.
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I asked the same question a few weeks ago. I was debating about getting a new 45 or a used 40. I ended up buying a used 40. I haven't received it yet but I am hoping it works out well.

The 45 appears to be slightly improved but not dramatically. At least that is what I took away from all the research I did. I think I read every review there is on the 40 and the 45. I feel if you can get a used 40 for a great price that is the way to go. If the price is within a few hundred of the 45 go with the 45. I have found used 40s sell for between 800-1200 on eBay depending on the hours. A new lamp is ~300 so keep that in mind too. A new 45 can be found for under $2000. Cleveland Plasma offered me a great price on a new 45.
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I don't get why so many praise RC on this particular projector. I saw what it does to the picture and it was not pretty. Why would anyone want to ruin a beautiful and natural- looking image with this type of artificial enhancement??
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Here is a link to my post where I summarise my impressions about difference:
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Is anyone using their 45 in xvColor (xvYCC) mode with 4K bluray? This has a gamut potentially larger than Rec709, while being backwards compatible with 709 content. xvYCC titles were announced in 2013as mastered in 4K, but has it gone anywhere? Now there is true 4K, does anyone care about extended gamut on their setup?Also supported by AVCHD formats, and corresponding video devices, camcorders, etc. But not conventional DVD Video. According to writeup it works by using the head/toe room of Ycbcr chroma coding—the values outside of 16–240—to encode minus-color and extend gamut. For example a very saturated red is expressed by red-and-minus-blue/green. YUV color numerology is not intuitive like RGB. I don't get the details but the principle of operation seems like xvYCC-encoded picture data will be seen as Ycbcr 709 by displays that don't do xvColor because (hopefully) these devices just ignore the out-of-range color values. It's unclear from the Sony docs if the VPL-HW45ES is actually wide gamut or just plays well with xvColor mode (which is a Sony driven feature). Confusing. But then the 45 operating guide reads like stereo instructions. 4K bluray is also a bit of a squirrely category per "mastered-in" blah blah. Nonetheless, if you use a Playstation or 4K-capable bluray player, try setting it and your 45ES to xvColor mode and look for more natural picture with a greater color range from 4K discs. HTPC tech is also aware of xvYCC in last couple years. Streaming tech seems to be unaware. Also maybe the AVCHD test disc can help to evaluate?
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I played a 4k disk (the martian) in a xbox 1 one and had the bluray version in the bluray player,switching inputs to compare the bluray looked a little better.i wil check it out again some day and try chaning the settings on the projector
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hw45es with non sony Full HD 3D glasses?

I recently bought an hw45es in the pre-christmas sale to compare against my Epson 5300ub. The Epson 5300ub is a bit loud in 3d mode and won't let you run it in eco mode at all when in 3d mode...

When using the Epson Full HD 3d (bluetooth RF) glasses with the hw45es it would have a black frame flicker every 30 seconds or so. It did this in all of the brightness settings and the exact same thing occurred with the panasonic glasses that I have. Both work flawlessly with the epson projector.

I then tried my Samsung SSG-3100GB glasses which also work flawlessly with my Epson. The samsung glasses didn't have the black frame (probably a desync) issue but there was a flicker in light scenese similar to bulb flicker which was annoying.

I contacted the seller stating that I feel that the hw45es was defective and was eventually conferenced in with a Sony rep. Sony refused to admit any fault with the 3d mode, transmitter, etc and said that I had to use the Sony glasses to confirm if it was the projector (even though I had tried it with 3 different pairs of brand name glasses that all work fine with the epson). They were firm that they only supported Sony glasses and wouldn't commit to even fully supporting the Full HD 3D specification!

Based on this I was forced to return the projector for a refund under the 30 day and less than 4 hours of use trial. With the delays on my part installing it and delays to get Sony involved there simply wasn't time to try the Sony glasses. I also didn't feel that I should have to use only the Sony glasses if they really support the Full HD 3d blutooth standard...

I found this projector and dealing with Sony has been a negtive experience.... I still think that it was a flawed unit but want to see if others have had these issues or if they are considered normal.

Has anyone else had issues where only Sony 3d glasses work correctly with their hw45es?

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I have a pair of Samsung that were $28 or so off amazon and I think they are used by many members on this site.I have only spent a little time with 3d on the sony45. ithought it flikerd a couple times during the movie and it is an annoyance. I don't have any sony glasses and will more than likely just use my dlp projector for 3d(looks better in my opinion)sorry I guess I didnt answer your ?
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I recently bought an hw45es in the pre-christmas sale to compare against my Epson 5300ub. The Epson 5300ub is a bit loud in 3d mode and won't let you run it in eco mode at all when in 3d mode...

When using the Epson Full HD 3d (bluetooth RF) glasses with the hw45es it would have a black frame flicker every 30 seconds or so. It did this in all of the brightness settings and the exact same thing occurred with the panasonic glasses that I have. Both work flawlessly with the epson projector.

I then tried my Samsung SSG-3100GB glasses which also work flawlessly with my Epson. The samsung glasses didn't have the black frame (probably a desync) issue but there was a flicker in light scenese similar to bulb flicker which was annoying.

I contacted the seller stating that I feel that the hw45es was defective and was eventually conferenced in with a Sony rep. Sony refused to admit any fault with the 3d mode, transmitter, etc and said that I had to use the Sony glasses to confirm if it was the projector (even though I had tried it with 3 different pairs of brand name glasses that all work fine with the epson). They were firm that they only supported Sony glasses and wouldn't commit to even fully supporting the Full HD 3D specification!

Based on this I was forced to return the projector for a refund under the 30 day and less than 4 hours of use trial. With the delays on my part installing it and delays to get Sony involved there simply wasn't time to try the Sony glasses. I also didn't feel that I should have to use only the Sony glasses if they really support the Full HD 3d blutooth standard...

I found this projector and dealing with Sony has been a negtive experience.... I still think that it was a flawed unit but want to see if others have had these issues or if they are considered normal.

Has anyone else had issues where only Sony 3d glasses work correctly with their hw45es?

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Yes, The glasses that work with the Epson's cause flicker when trying to use them with the Sony. They will sync up but they will flicker. The Only glasses that we know of that work with the Sony are the Sony BT500A's, the Samsung 5150's and the 3Active "Sony" glasses. The projector was not defective. Just trying wrong glasses.

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Yes, The glasses that work with the Epson's cause flicker when trying to use them with the Sony. They will sync up but they will flicker. The Only glasses that we know of that work with the Sony are the Sony BT500A's, the Samsung 5150's and the 3Active "Sony" glasses. The projector was not defective. Just trying wrong glasses.
Hmm... It sounds to me like the hw45es doesn't really meet the full HD 3d standard for generic full hd 3d blutooth 3d glasses.

I had read reviews that said the epson glasses worked but I guess they were wrong.

Thanks for the info that should be helpful for others. It would have been nice if the projector seller just said that right away without making me have a joint call with sony...

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Hmm... It sounds to me like the hw45es doesn't really meet the full HD 3d standard for generic full hd 3d blutooth 3d glasses.

I had read reviews that said the epson glasses worked but I guess they were wrong.

Thanks for the info that should be helpful for others. It would have been nice if the projector seller just said that right away without making me have a joint call with sony...

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Well, Sony did advise you to try the Sony glasses. I posted here with the exact same issue and was advised to try other glasses immediately. Moral of the story, ask your AVS family next time

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Well, Sony did advise you to try the Sony glasses. I posted here with the exact same issue and was advised to try other glasses immediately. Moral of the story, ask your AVS family next time

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Sony advised it only after I requested a return and unfortunately I wouldn't have had enough time to get the glasses and test them with my remaining time in the trial. They also did not admit that they don't meet the standard and said that I should try sony glasses....

I will advise the seller that they should just state that only sony glasses and the one pair of 3active glasses work.

Everyone should consider the Sony RF protocol proprietary as it does not meet the full HD 3d standard.

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Sony advised it only after I requested a return and unfortunately I wouldn't have had enough time to get the glasses and test them with my remaining time in the trial. They also did not admit that they don't meet the standard and said that I should try sony glasses....

I will advise the seller that they should just state that only sony glasses and the one pair of 3active glasses work.

Everyone should consider the Sony RF protocol proprietary as it does not meet the full HD 3d standard.

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Had a weird thing happen last night. I fired everything up and noticed vertical lines across the entire screen. They were narrow, blueish in color and evenly spaced. I started disconnecting equipment and narrowed it down to the projector even with no source going to it.(HDMI unplugged)

I freaked out for a while and then powered the projector down. When I started it back up moments later, the lines were no longer there and have not come back. Anyone else have this happen or have any idea what the issue could have been or is? I should have taken a picture but did not.

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Originally Posted by rfb6435 View Post
I recently bought an hw45es in the pre-christmas sale to compare against my Epson 5300ub. The Epson 5300ub is a bit loud in 3d mode and won't let you run it in eco mode at all when in 3d mode...

When using the Epson Full HD 3d (bluetooth RF) glasses with the hw45es it would have a black frame flicker every 30 seconds or so. It did this in all of the brightness settings and the exact same thing occurred with the panasonic glasses that I have. Both work flawlessly with the epson projector.

I then tried my Samsung SSG-3100GB glasses which also work flawlessly with my Epson. The samsung glasses didn't have the black frame (probably a desync) issue but there was a flicker in light scenese similar to bulb flicker which was annoying.

I contacted the seller stating that I feel that the hw45es was defective and was eventually conferenced in with a Sony rep. Sony refused to admit any fault with the 3d mode, transmitter, etc and said that I had to use the Sony glasses to confirm if it was the projector (even though I had tried it with 3 different pairs of brand name glasses that all work fine with the epson). They were firm that they only supported Sony glasses and wouldn't commit to even fully supporting the Full HD 3D specification!

Based on this I was forced to return the projector for a refund under the 30 day and less than 4 hours of use trial. With the delays on my part installing it and delays to get Sony involved there simply wasn't time to try the Sony glasses. I also didn't feel that I should have to use only the Sony glasses if they really support the Full HD 3d blutooth standard...

I found this projector and dealing with Sony has been a negtive experience.... I still think that it was a flawed unit but want to see if others have had these issues or if they are considered normal.

Has anyone else had issues where only Sony 3d glasses work correctly with their hw45es?

-Rich
Excuse my ignorance but why not use SONY 3D glasses with a SONY projector before filing a claim?
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