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@dremmick , I don't recall seeing any posts from anyone adding a Darbee to an HW45ES. It seems that most people who purchase a Darbee are really pleased with the image improvement. But most Darbees are used with less expensive projector models that don't have sophisticated image processing. Sony's Reality Creation is generally credited for being the best overall image processing system in projectors <$10,000. I know I'm really pleased with the way Reality Creation works in my Sony HW45ES and wouldn't consider spending extra to add a Darbee. If I had a projector with a lesser processing system I'd seriously consider adding a Darbee.
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Anyone use the Darbee with a Sony Hw45es? Is it worth out or do I just stick with reality creation.
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I have the 45ES, and recently heard how great the Darbee 5000s is. Anyone use one with their 45? I wonder if I should turn off Sony's enhancements (reality creation etc) if I was to get a Darbee.

I use a Darbee with my 45es and IMO the end result is superior. Let's be honest here, the 45es is not a naturally sharp projector and as such even a very moderate bump with a Darbee does enhance the image (this is coming from a video purist that has had calibrated displays for ~20 years). When used in moderation the Darbee can add a subtle, yet pleasing, enhancement without altering the intended viewing experience. I don't recall my specific Darbee settings at the moment but the next time I power up the system I'll try to add them to this post.

My video chain = Sony x800 -> Denon x5200 -> Darbee -> HW45ES. I mostly play UHD discs using the x800's ability to tone map HDR and down-convert to 1080p. I use the full HDR re-map so dynamic range is not lost and I calibrate accordingly. The HW45ES handles this process well and the end result is honestly better than any HDR capable projector that I have owned/viewed (please note that this only includes projectors in the sub $3K msrp range).

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Is there a new 2019 model coming to replace the 45ES and 65ES models this year?
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Is there a new 2019 model coming to replace the 45ES and 65ES models this year?
I am hoping so but haven’t heard anything. I have the hw40 and want to upgrade.
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I use a Darbee with my 45es and IMO the end result is superior. Let's be honest here, the 45es is not a naturally sharp projector and as such even a very moderate bump with a Darbee does enhance the image (this is coming from a video purist that has had calibrated displays for ~20 years). When used in moderation the Darbee can add a subtle, yet pleasing, enhancement without altering the intended viewing experience. I don't recall my specific Darbee settings at the moment but the next time I power up the system I'll try to add them to this post.

My video chain = Sony x800 -> Denon x5200 -> Darbee -> HW45ES. I mostly play UHD discs using the x800's ability to tone map HDR and down-convert to 1080p. I use the full HDR re-map so dynamic range is not lost and I calibrate accordingly. The HW45ES handles this process well and the end result is honestly better than any HDR capable projector that I have owned/viewed (please note that this only includes projectors in the sub $3K msrp range).

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Thanks, now you have me also interested in a Sony x800. Does a 4k movie one the x800 make a significant difference over just a Bluray? I use a PS4 for my BD's. I am wondering if the Sony/Darbee combo would make a real difference.

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Thanks, now you have me also interested in a Sony x800. Does a 4k movie one the x800 make a significant difference over just a Bluray? I use a PS4 for my BD's. I am wondering if the Sony/Darbee combo would make a real difference.

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It's likely this could vary title to title, from what I have seen it's as good or better.

This could be due to the way I have it set-up... tone mapping the HDR content to maximize the dynamic range and calibrating accordingly.

I have not compared every title that I have watched (UHD vs HD).

My other purpose behind this playback method is to enjoy the Dolby Atmos tracks.

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I use the sony 800 as well for my bluray player and the uhd disks look great to me ,also atmos is nice.i figure with 4k getting main stream I will buy new titles in 4k most of the time


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Using 4k player with sony 45es will still result in 1080p picture but with benefit of atmos soundtrack.

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yep and some of the 4k titles seem to be a little better to me, 5th element looked better on 4k then bluray to me .maybe some movies done in 4k have a better source ? not sure but they are very clean noise free. and yes resolution is going to be 1080p on the sony 45.what ever you feed it it will only display max res in this case 1080p. i am legend 4k looked only as good as the bluray so i think the newer movies are going to be better (bluray or 4k)
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Using 4k player with sony 45es will still result in 1080p picture but with benefit of atmos soundtrack.
Are you sure?

The result I question this is because I changed to a Sony X700 and using it's upscaling has improvement the image I'm now getting.

This definitely isn't my imagination.

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Are you sure?

The result I question this is because I changed to a Sony X700 and using it's upscaling has improvement the image I'm now getting.

This definitely isn't my imagination.
Its possible your player itself is doing the upscaling or playing 4K disk but when it reaches the sony 45es it can only be displayed 1080P since it can't upscale or show 4K. It could be a sharper image from the player itself but it won't be 4k resolution. Many people upgrade players alone just to get atmos content. But if you got sharper image as well then that's a bonus! So I'd say changing to 4K player was worth it in your case.

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Its possible your player itself is doing the upscaling or playing 4K disk but when it reaches the sony 45es it can only be displayed 1080P since it can't upscale or show 4K. It could be a sharper image from the player itself but it won't be 4k resolution. Many people upgrade players alone just to get atmos content. But if you got sharper image as well then that's a bonus! So I'd say changing to 4K player was worth it in your case.
I’m only playing regular 1080p BluRays not UHD ones. I’m not saying it’s as good as 4K only that it appears to be sharper than the old player which is confusing unless 4K enhancement also does something even with a 1080p projector.

Is it possible that Sony’s Reality Creation process work more efficiently with its 4K enhancing?



On the left it’s a 4K image from an E-Shift Projector and on the right is my HW45es.
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what 4k eshift is that epson or a jvc?i think the sony puts out a great pic the advantage of some of eshift is of course resolution but more i think is the better color with the hdr



if sony came out with a 1080p hdr model with wide color gamut they would sell quite a few .everyone wants 4k and all that as do I (when they get down to $2000) but i think its a lot of marketing as far as 4k goes
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I found a sony vpl hw45es for $750, is that a good deal for 2019? Or should I buy newer models? I was planning to get a epson 5030ub refurbished from epson for $960 but i see to many people have issues with the blue vertical line on the screen.
So for the owner of Sony vpl hw45es, do you think sony is a good choice or the epson 5030ub?
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I found a sony vpl hw45es for $750, is that a good deal for 2019? Or should I buy newer models? I was planning to get a epson 5030ub refurbished from epson for $960 but i see to many people have issues with the blue vertical line on the screen.
So for the owner of Sony vpl hw45es, do you think sony is a good choice or the epson 5030ub?
For $750 you got a deal of a lifetime on best 1080p projector. Even if you got it double price at $1400 its still a great deal for the great picture 45es puts out. I'm still amazed how good the picture looks on mine.

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I found a sony vpl hw45es for $750, is that a good deal for 2019? Or should I buy newer models? I was planning to get a epson 5030ub refurbished from epson for $960 but i see to many people have issues with the blue vertical line on the screen.
So for the owner of Sony vpl hw45es, do you think sony is a good choice or the epson 5030ub?
In another thread you said that you already had an Epson 6030UB that had a blue vertical line on the screen. This is not a common issue so I would suggest that you get an estimate on the cost of having your 6030UB repaired as it's a good quality projector and would likely cost less to repair than buying a refurbished 5030UB or HW45ES.
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I still have the 6030ub i try and fix it, but i broke the tab where the color red ribbon connect to the mainbord, i unplug the red ribbon cable the blue line go away, but no red color, then i try plug it back in i saw the 2 blue vertical line come back and i didn't care no more so i fry the black plastic tap i see the metals were not line up like the rest, some were off alignment, so if i could fine parts on Ebay just the tab maybe i could try to desolder the old one out and solder the new one in, or if someone selling just the mainboard i probably just get that, but so far on ebay they selling broken 6030ub for way to much, and i wonder if i could get the 5030ub broken don't turn on and swap out the mainboard to the 6030ub. I hope i could come across cheap 5030ub or 6030ub broken so i could do experiments. Anyway i just order a sony vpl-hw45es for $750 i hope it be here soon. Right now i pickup an old vpl-hw20 and i like it, but want the vpl-hw45es because it have that frame Interpolation or whatever they call it.
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How does this projector hw45es look after a lot of usage ? any degradation in the picture quality, less good blacks ETC ?


And how big screens can this projector fill up and still look good when the bulb isn't new anymore ?


Im having a hard time deciding but im pretty sure its going to be the Sony HW45ES or the BenQ HT3550

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How does this projector hw45es look after a lot of usage ? any degradation in the picture quality, less good blacks ETC ?


And how big screens can this projector fill up and still look good when the bulb isn't new anymore ?


Im having a hard time deciding but im pretty sure its going to be the Sony HW45ES or the BenQ HT3550

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Mine still looks the same as I bought it 3 years ago with same bulb and low bulb setting. But I'm only around 1200 hours so.
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I had the 45 and then upgraded to the 55. The 55 was a dramatic improvement in my opinion. Since you can usually find a used 55 for about the same price as the 45 I would consider that. If you can't find a 55 then I imagine a used 65 wouldn't be much more.

With that said I still liked the 45 but I love the 55. I have been considering upgrading it but I am waiting for the JVC's to drop in price a bit more.
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I had the 45 and then upgraded to the 55. The 55 was a dramatic improvement in my opinion. Since you can usually find a used 55 for about the same price as the 45 I would consider that. If you can't find a 55 then I imagine a used 65 wouldn't be much more.

With that said I still liked the 45 but I love the 55. I have been considering upgrading it but I am waiting for the JVC's to drop in price a bit more.
Is it the iris you find as a dramatic improvement in HW55 over the HW45 ?
That should be the most significant difference between these

Im able to get my hands on a demo used HW55es(200 hours of lamp usage) with 2 years of warranty from a online shop in my Country
Since its a store i can also return it within 14 days if i should not like it
I can get it for 1600 EUR

What type of room do you use with your Sony ? a Bat cave ?
And what type of screen and screen size?

I originally wanted a Benq HT3550 but i think significant better blacks and contrast would be a better upgrade for my tastes coming from a Benq W1070

Thank`s for answers in advance

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Is it the iris you find as a dramatic improvement in HW55 over the HW45 ?
That should be the most significant difference between these

Im able to get my hands on a demo used HW55es(200 hours of lamp usage) with 2 years of warranty from a online shop in my Country
Since its a store i can also return it within 14 days if i should not like it
I can get it for 1600 EUR

What type of room do you use with your Sony ? a Bat cave ?
And what type of screen and screen size?

I originally wanted a Benq HT3550 but i think significant better blacks and contrast would be a better upgrade for my tastes coming from a Benq W1070

Thank`s for answers in advance
I don't have a bat cave but my walls and ceiling close to the screen are painted a very dark blue. I have a 120" Elite Cinewhite screen which I believe is 1.1 gain but I am not positive since I bought it a long time ago.

I don't know if the iris is the only factor that makes such a big improvement. I will say that I never notice the iris opening and closing. I have owned several projectors before that had an iris that was distracting and very noticeable. That is not the case with HW55ES. It just works and I never notice it.
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The HW45ES and HW65ES are the latest versions of this Sony projector series. The only difference in performance is that the HW65ES adds a dynamic iris. Outside of the dynamic iris the two models otherwise have identical performance. The HW55ES is the earlier version of the HW65ES and lacks the updates Sony made on the HW45ES and HW65ES. The HW40ES is the earlier version of the HW45ES and is the non-dynamic iris version of the HW55ES.
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I don't have a bat cave but my walls and ceiling close to the screen are painted a very dark blue. I have a 120" Elite Cinewhite screen which I believe is 1.1 gain but I am not positive since I bought it a long time ago.

I don't know if the iris is the only factor that makes such a big improvement. I will say that I never notice the iris opening and closing. I have owned several projectors before that had an iris that was distracting and very noticeable. That is not the case with HW55ES. It just works and I never notice it.
Im not surprised, as i read in reviews that the iris on the HW55 should be really good
The HW65 didn't get the same praises for the iris as the HW55, it was said that Sony have solved this better in earlier models


1600 EUR for a demo used HW55 with warranty strikes me as a good deal when i compare it to anything else i can get for 1600 EUR

The only thing i will miss is my 135" screen size, the W1070 have a shorter throw than the HW55 so the HW55 cant fill my screen from the same distance which is maxed out already

But im willing to to give up 15 inches of screen size and go down to a 120" screen for significant better blacks and contrast at this point


How many hours do you have on your lamp beekermartin and how many years have you used your HW55 projector ?
Reading about this Sony SXRD panel degradation on some units is a bit concerning but with a warranty i will feel a lot safer

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Im not surprised, as i read in reviews that the iris on the HW55 should be really good
The HW65 didn't get the same praises for the iris as the HW55, it was said that Sony have solved this better in earlier models


1600 EUR for a demo used HW55 with warranty strikes me as a good deal when i compare it to anything else i can get for 1600 EUR

The only thing i will miss is my 135" screen size, the W1070 have a shorter throw than the HW55 so the HW55 cant fill my screen from the same distance which is maxed out already

But im willing to to give up 15 inches of screen size and go down to a 120" screen for significant better blacks and contrast at this point


How many hours do you have on your lamp beekermartin and how many years have you used your HW55 projector ?
Reading about this Sony SXRD panel degradation on some units is a bit concerning but with a warranty i will feel a lot safer
I currently have 627 hours on the lamp I have installed now. I believe this lamp had 100 hours give or take on it when I installed it. So call it 750 total hours. It is still bright enough for me but I only use high lamp mode. My throw is about 18 feet and high lamp is needed for good brightness. Low lamp is watchable but not bright enough for me.

I can't speak in terms of degradation. Mine looks great but I bought it used so I have no idea how many actual hours on it. I do believe the seller said it had under 1k hours but I have no way of verifying that. I installed my lamp with just about 100 hours on it when I received the HW55. I saved the lamp it came with for a back up.
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Still enjoying my Sony 45es after few years.
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Theater room: Sony 45es | 120 inch screen | Panasonic BDT500 | Rotel RMB-1077 | Outlaw Audio 976 | Klipsch RP-280F/RP-450C/RP-160M (x4) | Funk Audio subs (x2) | MiniDSP 2x4HD | Crowson D-501/Shadow-8 Actuators (x2) | Monster Power Conditioner | GIK acoustic panels

TV Room: Panny 60 inch | Rotel RMB-1075 | Rotel RSP-1068 | Axiom Audio M60/VP150/QS8
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I only have 256 hours on mine. Had it for 2 and a half years now. Low lamp mode and strictly for watching movies in scope aspect ratio. Everything else on my 4K Sony TV.

Home Theater System: Sony VPL-HW45ES; 120" Carada 2.35:1 Criterion Series Projection Screen, Panamorph P752 Vertical Compression Anamorphic Lens, Lumagen VisionHDQ Video Processor, Oppo Digital BDP-93 Bluray Player, Origen AE X15e HTPC, Sony STR-DH590 Receiver, AV123 X-Series 5.1 Speaker System.

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Are the HW45ES and 40ES near identical?
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Are the HW45ES and 40ES near identical?
Almost.
The 45 is brighter by 100 lumens, it has a built in 3D glasses transmitter and has improved Reality Creation algorithms.

I think the 45 may actually have a little less mass too.

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I’m only playing regular 1080p BluRays not UHD ones. I’m not saying it’s as good as 4K only that it appears to be sharper than the old player which is confusing unless 4K enhancement also does something even with a 1080p projector.

Is it possible that Sony’s Reality Creation process work more efficiently with its 4K enhancing?

Spoiler!


On the left it’s a 4K image from an E-Shift Projector and on the right is my HW45es.
A 4k disc has higher colour depth and 4x more detail actually present in the image.

Even downscaled, the image displayed on the 1080 screen will have better colour and detail than the normal 2k disc.

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