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Looking for a new projector, looking for opinions

I am building a home theater in my basement reno and was able to pick up a runco LS-5 at a great price with the 2 year warranty. However....


I now decided I wanted to go with a 109-120" screen and I don't have the throw distance to use the Runco so I am looking at other options that would be able to sit no further away from the wall then my bulkhead (13ft 5") but still give me the 109" screen size. The distance from the wall to the bulkhead is the furthest back that the rear of the projector can be.


I am new to the forum so if this is the wrong place to be posting this please just let me know.
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Budget?

Why waste $ on more cheap stuff, it's like challenging a dragon with a pocket knife.
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Ideally I would like to stay under 1800 since that's about what it looks like I can get when I sell the Runco with the mount.
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3d is also not very important however if it has it, great.
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General consensus is that the Sony VPL-HW40ES and Epson 5030UB are the two best options at $2,000 or less. The HW40ES normally sells for $2,500 but is currently on closeout sale for $2,000 (same as the 5030UB) as it's being replaced by a revised model.
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Would I be able to accommodate a 109" screen from 12 feet back with the Sony VPL-HW40ES? Or potentially even 120"?
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I just happened to have the calculator on ProjectorCentral.com open to check something else and ran the HW40ES numbers. For a 120" image the closest it can be is 11' 11" lens to screen, and for a 109" image the minimum distance is 10' 10".
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Don't forget that the HW40ES is a big projector that's about 18" deep. Leaving a minimum 6" behind the projector for clearance means the lens is going to be about 2' in front of the bulkhead. If the exact distance from the bulkhead to the screen wall is 13' 5" your maximum throw would be 11' 5", from which maximum image size would be 115". Given all of the above you might want to limit yourself to a 110" screen, which is a standard size.
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I would likely get the Sony and see how much screen size you can get by going with a test fitting. Mount it, then measure up the diagonal. I have the Sony within a bulkhead without additional fans and have not run into overheating issues (the front of the bulkhead is open). So, sitting within an inch or so of the bulkhead should not produce any ventilation issues. This will give you about 20" from wall to lens, and a throw distance which is right about 11'9". That doesn't quite reach a 120" diagonal, but getting a good 118" diagonal isn't at all unrealistic. Any number of companies, such as Carada, can deliver a 118" diagonal screen to your home, but that is not a 'standard' size to get from most manufacturers.

Anyway, I do agree that the HW40ES, at about $2,000 is the best for the money and will deliver a great image to your door.

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Thanks everyone for the responses I think I will be happy with the 110" and that should be enough clearance for the ventilation.


Now im off to find a buyer for my runco
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I am building a home theater in my basement reno and was able to pick up a runco LS-5 at a great price with the 2 year warranty. However....


I now decided I wanted to go with a 109-120" screen and I don't have the throw distance to use the Runco so I am looking at other options that would be able to sit no further away from the wall then my bulkhead (13ft 5") but still give me the 109" screen size.
Wait, you're getting rid of a $7,000 projector so you can get a few more inches of screen width?

According to the review below and your requirements above, it sounds like you could have a 100" image now. Also note there exists an optional short throw lens for this model, possibly worth exploring.

Have you used the projector? Was size really the problem or is there more to this?

"The LightStyle LS5 projector offers two different lenses as mentioned above. The standard zoom allows this Runco to fill a 100" 16:9 screen from as close as 12 feet 11 inches.. The optional shorter throw lens, by comparison allows placement of the projector (measured, of course, from the front of the lens), as far as 13 feet, and as close as 10 feet 9 inches." See more at: http://www.projectorreviews.com/runc...w-double-check
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Wait, you're getting rid of a $7,000 projector so you can get a few more inches of screen width?
It was a $7000 projector in 2011. Back in the day I paid a few thousand for a Pentium 60 with a 40MB hard drive
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It was a $7000 projector in 2011. Back in the day I paid a few thousand for a Pentium 60 with a 40MB hard drive
Point is well made but I'm not sure projector technology has advanced at quite the pace that processor/memory technology has.

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The Sony VPL-HW40ES has now been discontinued in Canada, and Sony Canada only lists the 45ES. Why do I mention this? Because the US is sure to follow soon, and in Canada our local authorized reseller actually sells the 45ES for less than the 40ES.

So, while the 40ES may have retailed at US$2500, there's no guarantee that the 45ES will also retail at US$2500. There is a chance the MSRP for the 45ES in the US will actually be less, meaning that the street price of US$2000 for the 40ES won't seem as great as it does now.

Mind you, I've seen people mention that they're getting the 40ES for much less than US$2000, albeit from unauthorized dealers. It's unlikely you'll see that sort of pricing in the US for the 45ES any time soon.

Bottom line, I'd wait a month before deciding, if you're considering the Sony 40ES, unless you find a killer deal on one. And US$2000 doesn't qualify as a killer deal IMO.
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Hi everyone,
I found a deal used HW40ES.
Need your advice.. is it worth getting this very old projector in 2020? considering there are many 1080p projectors available brand new under 1000 usd range . Also there is viewsonic 747-4K projector available in this range.. is picture quality and features that much good in HW40ES in 2020 also and what made you buy this instead of newer 1080 projectors?

will really appreciate your input

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In your price range a used faux-4k JVC is an option. I bought a RS520 for around this price and could not be happier. I'll trade a little resolution for great contrast and blacks any day.

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Hi everyone,
I found a deal used HW40ES.
Need your advice.. is it worth getting this very old projector in 2020? considering there are many 1080p projectors available brand new under 1000 usd range . Also there is viewsonic 747-4K projector available in this range.. is picture quality and features that much good in HW40ES in 2020 also and what made you buy this instead of newer 1080 projectors?

will really appreciate your input

thanks
The successor 45es is still in production and is considered the best 1080p projector you can buy in this price range. If it's in good shape it might be worth it but that is a big "if". Older Sony's were known for having an issue with panel degradation especially if they sat unused for long periods of time. The 747-4K is a completely different animal. The Sony's advantage is high quality lens, lens shift, high native contrast and very good video processing. The Viewsonic is of course 4K so fairly good with 4K content, brighter for poor quality rooms or bigger screen but very low native contrast, limited placement flexibility, and for 1080p content can't keep up with the Sony. Room environment (ambient/reflected light control),placement flexibility and screen size are the biggest factors you need to take into account to make a decision.

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Hi everyone,
I found a deal used HW40ES.
Need your advice.. is it worth getting this very old projector in 2020? considering there are many 1080p projectors available brand new under 1000 usd range . Also there is viewsonic 747-4K projector available in this range.. is picture quality and features that much good in HW40ES in 2020 also and what made you buy this instead of newer 1080 projectors?

will really appreciate your input

thanks
This is quite the necrobump. You would have been much better off starting a new thread to ask.

That said, I think the question is about how much you are spending on the projector, and what shape it is actually in. A lamp that is nearly dead will run you several hundred dollars to replace, and I often consider the lamp something which should be expected to need to be replaced shortly after purchase of most used models.

If you can't see it in person, do you know how the LCoS panels are doing? Do you know how many hours total the projector has been used?

I often see 'deals' out there, which sound great, but then the projector has 5,000+ hours on it, and you have to question how much life it really does have left.

I'm not sure the 40ES is much worse than the 45ES and the 45ES is still considered perhaps one of the best value 1080p projectors ever made. It had very high marks and compared nicely against the Epson 5040UB. The Epson 5040UB refurb models are (right now) the best deal going IMO on a projector with a warranty from the manufacturer.

So, you are taking a gamble no matter what. Yes, the Sony will look better than the Viewsonic. It will have much better contrast and a much better lens system and will be nearly dead silent.

But, it's a lot older, and that age is a consideration. The build quality of the Sony should also be far better than any Viewsonic.

I agree with all the points in the previous post as well.

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