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just switched from that crap called DirecTV to dish. best decision yet. not only is dish caught up to 2016 in both speed and looks of the UI and how everything is catogroized with thumnails and other nice things but everything looks better than directv whether it's on 134" screen, 65's, or 55's. in the house. so disagree. it looks so much better than directv on a projector. oh yeah and 16 things at once vs directv's small amount of recording. I haven't had to cancel or move anything when my wife records 10000 reality tv shows. directv boxes feel like they have snails in them they are so damn slow and laggy. directv has got a lot of work to do. oh yeah dish was cheaper too even after directv begged me to come back and tried to take me out to dinner.

I'm talking about picture quality, and it is a fact that DirecTV is better based on their technology and broadcast parameters. Most of what you talked about is comparing their hardware and GUI, which I said was nice.

If you're happy though, so be it.

Let's get back on topic.......
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What is the best mount for the 5040?


I checked with Epson and they said it was model # CHF4000 but that they didn't currently have any to sell. Seems online sellers are also out of this model.


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Buy the RPAU mount. It will be compatible with projectors for millenniums.

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HDFury Linker questions

Hi,

looking for some HDFury Linker experience with our Epsons.

- Is downscaling to 1080p with all colors and have the Epson upsacle again to 4k with the Linker on Netflix and Games better then just 4k with low color range without Linker?
- I have the Epson wireless version. So UHD 4k HDR works fine with the xbox one s. Can I set the linker to passthrough those signals while on Netflix and games it downscales them to 1080p with full color range without having to run to my pc and change the settings in the Linker each time?
- Would I connect the Linker between my xbox one s and my receiver or between the receiver and the projector?
- Is the xbox one s showing any different tv resolution option while the linker is in the chain?

I would go for the linker if there is a noticeable quality improvement in Netflix and Games on the xbox one s and if i could just forget about the linker after initial setup.

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Hi guys,
I'm planing to buy my first projector ever and it will probably be 5040. Considering that 3d glasses don't come along with it I was wondering whether my Panasonic active IR from last plasma series will work on Epson? If not what is the best third party RF 3d glasses that will work on 5040. I don't know if Amazon links are available in forum so if someone can send me link to good ones on PM.
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The 5040, I believe needs RF glasses... IR no workie...

I don't have glasses yet... so can't help you there...

And a thanks to people mentioning this projector was on sale.....

Went back to where I got it, and got $212 back.....

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Yes, with wireless you are fine


It's interesting, when the models first came out people were saying that the wireless, according to the specs, was more limited. Turns out that factually that was correct, but it seems there is more connectivity. Good to have real world experience.


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A video looking at the Image Enhancement Presets and also showing some different aspect ratios.

https://youtu.be/J7WxsHUmNgg
Great video! Thanks for doing that!
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Thank you to those with nice comments about my home theater room. I'm quite proud and pleased with it myself. 😊 However, it is not complete. I will upload updated pics after furniture has arrived. We have also installed some colored LED lighting that I would like to share with youys guys.
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Great video! Thanks for doing that!
Anything else you want to see let me know. I have 2 more vids almost ready but my wife is in hospital till the end of the week and Im minding the kids which I never knew was a fulltime job lol. My wife should be fine shes doing well btw after going in on monday for an op on her thyroid.
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It's interesting, when the models first came out people were saying that the wireless, according to the specs, was more limited. Turns out that factually that was correct, but it seems there is more connectivity. Good to have real world experience.


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Why would the wireless be more limited, when in fact it has a more advanced chipset, more bandwidth available, more resolutions support, more compatiblity?
I think it quite an advanced and impressive device, it's pushing around 14Gbps via a radio signal, without any hitch or compromise.
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I believe you could also save $50-100 and get the 5040UB wired only version and an HDFury Integral or Linker to make it kick in and use HDR.
I have the Linker too, you are correct.
With the Linker you'll also activate HDR gaming (4k @8bit instead of full 10bit), and you need the Linker for that, the wireless in it's current state (AKA not patched by Epson) it's not enough (it'ok for hdr movies, not for hdr gaming).
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I have the Linker too, you are correct.

With the Linker you'll also activate HDR gaming (4k @8bit instead of full 10bit), and you need the Linker for that, the wireless in it's current state (AKA not patched by Epson) it's not enough (it'ok for hdr movies, not for hdr gaming).


Thanks. With the linker do I need a computer near by the Epson for it to work? Sorry I'm not sure how it works? Each time I need HDR do I need to turn on laptop and activate it etc? To sum up what will the linker achieve with the wired 5040ub?

I know Blu ray 4K HDR already works without linker.

Also is 8bit HDR gaming good quality?


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Thanks. With the linker do I need a computer near by the Epson for it to work? Sorry I'm not sure how it works? Each time I need HDR do I need to turn on laptop and activate it etc? To sum up what will the linker achieve with the wired 5040ub?

I know Blu ray 4K HDR already works without linker.

Also is 8bit HDR gaming good quality?


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No pc needed at all for normal use (you'll need it to change hd fury internal settings, or to make hdr -> sdr conversion on the fly).
With 8 bit color depth you'll have some occasional banding (think ot a clear blue sky, you'll have banding), but it's a trade off we can live with (we're keeping hdr, bt.2020 color grading, etc etc).
Here's an example of banding (my photos)

BANDING 8bit


NO BANDING 10 bit
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Hi again !

I'm ve just been aware that Sony has release a new firmware with a new feature for its 4k HDR linup!

- Further improvements of HDR-related functionality
- Adds 'HDR Contrast' function to Picture Menu (when viewing HDR content) allowing user to adjust the average screen brightness

The second feature is just what's needed to have good HDR rendering with current projectors.

How can we push such a feature request to Epson ?
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How can we push such a feature request to Epson ?
Don't be afraid to write to them, Epson has an excellent customer service, you'll find contact informations on their site.
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No pc needed at all for normal use (you'll need it to change hd fury internal settings, or to make hdr -> sdr conversion on the fly).

With 8 bit color depth you'll have some occasional banding (think ot a clear blue sky, you'll have banding), but it's a trade off we can live with (we're keeping hdr, bt.2020 color grading, etc etc).

Here's an example of banding (my photos)



BANDING 8bit





NO BANDING 10 bit



Thanks. I guess I could live with that. So if I had wireless HDMI it is still limited to 8bit HDR gaming?

Also with the linker and wired HDMI what else will it allow me to do? Besides 8bit HDR gaming. How about Netflix 4K HDR? Or Amazon 4K HDR?

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Don't be afraid to write to them, Epson has an excellent customer service, you'll find contact informations on their site.
Question asked to US support (not sure about French support though when I called them once to ask about the 4h enhancement whining noise at 60hz they were not aware of this...)
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Anything else you want to see let me know. I have 2 more vids almost ready but my wife is in hospital till the end of the week and Im minding the kids which I never knew was a fulltime job lol. My wife should be fine shes doing well btw after going in on monday for an op on her thyroid.
Fantastic video! I was wondering the same about 4k enhancement and could never tell a difference on/off. Definitely learned something new on the presets. Thank you! Cool opening on the video too with the sliding lens cover.

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Thanks. I guess I could live with that. So if I had wireless HDMI it is still limited to 8bit HDR gaming?

Also with the linker and wired HDMI what else will it allow me to do? Besides 8bit HDR gaming. How about Netflix 4K HDR? Or Amazon 4K HDR?

Thanks,
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The Linker makes devices think everything is fine (full bandwidth hdmi port), then it converts the signal to what the Epson can display.
So you'll get an 4k/hdr/60hz/8 bit signal instead of the 10 bit one, but everything will work (Netflix HDR surely works, can't comment on Amazon app as it's not available where I live)
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Picked up the Ps4 Pro and a couple games. Let see what we have, hey?
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Sorry dont know what heppened with the tripple post
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Ive tried it on and off and had mixed results. Too me it doesnt add enough for me to care about but when it goes pear shape it really goes pear shape. I was doing a recording and I forgot I left it on and had to stop and turn it off because it looked like garbage!
Thanks for your opinion. So when you are watching Blurays (24 Hz) you always turn the frame interpolation feature off?


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There are no 1080p broadcast HD channels, only 1080i or 720p.

It most likely has to do with the differing AC systems between the USA and Europe. We use a 60Hz system here and Europe uses 50Hz. This is the reason that when TV was invented. The USA used essentially the same refresh rate as its AC system, 59.94 (for more in depth reasons that we don't have to get into here) and Europe used 50Hz. This was done so you don't have that beat frequency line rolling up your tv screen. Remember how you had a control on your old tv to adjust that? (Us old folks anyway! )

I'm pretty sure this causes the FI to act differently on essentially the same projector. Find someone over there with an AC transformer that converts it to 60Hz USA style AC and see if it improves.
But this is only relevant for TV sources isn't it?
So what about watching blurays? I assume they are 24p everywhere
Do you still never use the FI feature? For these sources the FI should act the same shouldn't it?
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Official Epson 5040ub/6040ub owners thread

The Roku Ultra received a firmware update and I can confirm that it can now display 4K HDR at 24Hz (same format as 4K UHD Blu-rays) with the Epson 5040ub.

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The Roku Ultra received a firmware update and I can confirm that it can now display 4K HDR at 24Hz (same format as 4K UHD Blu-rays) with the Epson 5040ub.


Is this for Netflix 4K HDR and also Amazon 4K?


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Official Epson 5040ub/6040ub owners thread

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The Linker makes devices think everything is fine (full bandwidth hdmi port), then it converts the signal to what the Epson can display.

So you'll get an 4k/hdr/60hz/8 bit signal instead of the 10 bit one, but everything will work (Netflix HDR surely works, can't comment on Amazon app as it's not available where I live)


Ok thanks. What device do you use for Netflix 4K HDR? And is 8bit 4K HDR Netflix better than Netflix 4K SDR?


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Adds 'HDR Contrast' function to Picture Menu (when viewing HDR content) allowing user to adjust the average screen brightness
I don't know exactly what this setting does on the Sony, but you can adjust this already by forcing HDR mode 1. Before even attempting that, you'll need to have totally different settings for HDR vs SDR. Dave Harper has posted some settings which are a good starting point. I posted mine previously as well. It involves medium or high lamp, raising gamma to +1, contrast to ~65 and lowering brightness to ~45 as a basic starting point. There are too many variables to go into too much detail: screen size, screen gain, zoom, overall light floor for the room in question. You'll have to adjust it to your individual circumstances.

So far I've watched the following in UHD:

Oblivion, Lucy, Warcraft, Creed and Ender's Game. Every one of these titles has been "correctable" with alternate input settings similar to above. Ender's Game and Oblivion required HDR Mode 1, the other 3 were fine with HDR Auto.
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disappointed yet? lol
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Is the wireless version 5040ube worth the extra $500, now that the 5040ub has dropped? Still on the fence which one to get.

From what I understand, they have different chipset but with the limitation of the wireless one they have the same viewing capabilities as of right now?
Whats the chance that the limitation of the wireless version gets lifted so we can play 4k/60hz/hdr? Newbie here trying to digest all this information.

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I'll apologize in advance if this ends up being a double post....already tried submitting once and I think I boogered something up.

This thread has been incredibly helpful. I'm ready to take the plunge on the 5040UB. A few quick questions if someone wouldn't mind helping out a first time projector buyer...

The contributions regarding mounts (especially the detailed instructions from MississippiMan) have been great. I went on Amazon to pick one out and found both the PRG-UNV and the PRG-UNV-W. They seem to be a bit different....will they both get the job done? The UNV-W is white and would match the projector, which I'm sure my wife would appreciate....with that being said, getting the right fit for the projector is my bigger concern.

I'm going to need to go somewhere in the range of 20 to 30' with my HDMI cable. I know virtually nothing about HDMI. Can someone steer me in the direction of the best cable to purchase?

I'm going to install an outlet in the ceiling behind the projector for power....besides that HDMI cable that will run to my receiver, are there any other cables/wires I'm forgetting while I'm in the midst of this process (sorry for the newbie questions)?
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