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post #4591 of 17885 Old 12-31-2016, 08:50 PM
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Yes, that one works as well.
I'm able to get 4K but not HDR using the Premiere +. I have it set to display 4K HDR under Settings but it says 30fps. I thought the 5040/6040 can take only a 24fps signal. The Premiere + has the latest firmware. Am I missing something else?

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I'm able to get 4K but not HDR using the Premiere +. I have it set to display 4K HDR under Settings but it says 30fps. I thought the 5040/6040 can take only a 24fps signal. The Premiere + has the latest firmware. Am I missing something else?

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The Roku Premiere + will do

- 4k HDR from Amazon prime streaming
- 4k non-HDR from VUDU - vudu's HDR is Dolby Vision which our projectors will not do
- 4k non-HDR from netflix - Netflix insists on 60hz so right now our projector will not do HDR.
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The Roku Premiere + will do

- 4k HDR from Amazon prime streaming
- 4k non-HDR from VUDU - vudu's HDR is Dolby Vision which our projectors will not do
- 4k non-HDR from netflix - Netflix insists on 60hz so right now our projector will not do HDR.
Thanks! Assume the Roku Ultra capabilities (as respects 4k streaming) are the same as the Premiere +?
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Am I the only one who does not prefer HDR? Every 4K UHD content I've tried with HDR1 comes out red. HDR2 is better but darker which causes me to brighten the screen and after I do that, it looks the same to my eyes when just using Auto. I also just set Auto on my Oppo 203 as well.
Maybe I'm doing something wrong but I just don't get what the fuss is about.
BTW on another subject - Rocky Mountain Express 4K is pretty cool visually and with Atmos.

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Thanks! Assume the Ultra capabilities (as respects 4k streaming) are the same?
Let me know specifically what you are asking.
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Let me know specifically what you are asking.
Post edited for clarity - just asking about the capabilities of the Roku Ultra vs. Premiere + with respect to 4k.
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Post edited for clarity - just asking about the capabilities of the Roku Ultra vs. Premiere + with respect to 4k.
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The Roku Premiere + will do

- 4k HDR from Amazon prime streaming
- 4k non-HDR from VUDU - vudu's HDR is Dolby Vision which our projectors will not do
- 4k non-HDR from netflix - Netflix insists on 60hz so right now our projector will not do HDR.
You need to get an hDFury linker (and maybe integral). I have both hooked up and I can now do any source or content on the projector.

From what I see though, Netflix isn't 10 bit still which causes a lot of banding
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Roku & Netflix in HDR

Looking back through this thread, there appear to be some owners who have been somewhat successful getting HDR to work with Netflix on the Roku Premiere + and/or Ultra:

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I got the new roku premiere+, the first two days I wasn't able to have HDR on Netflix, only on Amazon. But yesterday night Netflix started showing HDR content... Maybe the roku have some update overnight, or maybe I'm having issues with my internet conection... I'm using audioquest pearl HDMI cables.
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Is the Epson reporting 4K HDR 10bit with Netflix? And is it 24p?
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Hi, my 5040 is reporting 4K 8 Bit HDR 2 4:2:0 BT2020, 60hz
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The new Roku Premiere+ and Roku Ultra, both support HDR on Netflix and Amazon video. I have the premiere+...
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I contacted Roku about this. Apparently the Netflix app (specifically) is broken. If you try another 4K source (such as Amazon) it works fine.
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Unfortunately 5040 can only handle HDR using 24p HDR-10 signal in 4:2:2, but not in 4:4:4 or 4:2:0. See if there is a way to force Roku to use HDR format that is compatible with Epson.
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I have been able to get it to work from roku's Amazon app mostly... and rarely from Roku's Netflix app. I often have to change from 4K HDR tv to 1080p and back... sometimes physically rebooting the Roku. It is not usable and I plan on opening an issue with Roku about it later this week or early next week. Meanwhile it works very reliably from my Philip 4K player and Amazon Fire 4K. This is with two different 18gbs cables, one being a MP Luxe active 50 foot.
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I had been so disappointed by the reliability of Netflix on Roku to support HDR. Like many on this forum, it disappears and I need to reboot, sometimes disconnect it... sacrifice a virgin to a blood god, etc... to get HDR to come back on the Netflix app on Roku. To me, the reliability is laughably bad. It is unusable and bothers me because HDR support is exactly why I got the Ultra.
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The Roku Ultra received a firmware update and I can confirm that it can now display 4K HDR at 24Hz (same format as 4K UHD Blu-rays) with the Epson 5040ub.
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The Roku Premiere + will do

- 4k HDR from Amazon prime streaming
- 4k non-HDR from VUDU - vudu's HDR is Dolby Vision which our projectors will not do
- 4k non-HDR from netflix - Netflix insists on 60hz so right now our projector will not do HDR.
I'd be curious to hear back from Kelvin1000 on the confirmation of 4K HDR at 24Hz. Was this with Amazon or Netflix or both? And where was the 24Hz shown? On the Roku or on the projector info screen? My Roku shows only 60Hz or 30Hz.
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Am I the only one who does not prefer HDR? Every 4K UHD content I've tried with HDR1 comes out red. HDR2 is better but darker which causes me to brighten the screen and after I do that, it looks the same to my eyes when just using Auto. I also just set Auto on my Oppo 203 as well.
Maybe I'm doing something wrong but I just don't get what the fuss is about.
BTW on another subject - Rocky Mountain Express 4K is pretty cool visually and with Atmos.

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It's going to look darker. The lighting on hdr is more realistic. Once you adjust to how it looks brightness wise, you will appreciate the highlights and the darkness. This projector has some serious abilities with darker content imo. The best sources are 4k bluray. The Revenant is a great example of this. Darker movie, but it's like in the woods and under trees. The skin tones are more true to life with how light bounces off of them. You can see into the fire and actually see the light from it affecting the surroundings.
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I'm finding I like 4K enhance off with 1080p bluray.

I have 4K off, image enhance at 3, FI at normal. Plus source is Oppo 103d with darbee set at 35-40. This overall settings gives a very crisp picture.

I don't have any 4K material yet, but would have to guess with 4K enhancement with 4K bluray would be outstanding.

I'm finding 1080p with 4K enhancement on give a slightly softer picture, with less pixel structure visible.
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Am I the only one who does not prefer HDR? Every 4K UHD content I've tried with HDR1 comes out red. HDR2 is better but darker which causes me to brighten the screen and after I do that, it looks the same to my eyes when just using Auto. I also just set Auto on my Oppo 203 as well.
Maybe I'm doing something wrong but I just don't get what the fuss is about.
BTW on another subject - Rocky Mountain Express 4K is pretty cool visually and with Atmos.

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There is a KNOWN issue with the Oppo erroneously sending an overly red/wrong signal. You may want to go to the official Oppo 203 thread for details (why, how, when a fix might come, etc) as the red shift is not due to either the UHD content nor the Epson projector

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Am I the only one who does not prefer HDR? Every 4K UHD content I've tried with HDR1 comes out red. HDR2 is better but darker which causes me to brighten the screen and after I do that, it looks the same to my eyes when just using Auto. I also just set Auto on my Oppo 203 as well.
Maybe I'm doing something wrong but I just don't get what the fuss is about.
BTW on another subject - Rocky Mountain Express 4K is pretty cool visually and with Atmos.

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Honestly, I am enjoying the HDR once I started watching it without any prejudice. Even in the Cinema mode that is supposed to be the lease lumen mode on Epson.
My source is Philips BDP7501 in case you wanted to know.
Looks like among early offerings Philips has stood it's ground (apart from Panasonic). It was surprising that Oppo had to have so many issues (at least reading from that thread. I have no personal experience).
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......I'm finding 1080p with 4K enhancement on give a slightly softer picture, with less pixel structure visible.

Isn't that the whole point? You don't see "pixel structure" in real life, do you? It only looks softer because you don't have the pixel structure fooling your eyes. Watch longer with more intensity and you should start to notice a more natural image with fine details starting to show with 4K enhancement on.
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Isn't that the whole point? You don't see "pixel structure" in real life, do you? It only looks softer because you don't have the pixel structure fooling your eyes. Watch longer with more intensity and you should start to notice a more natural image with fine details starting to show with 4K enhancement on.
Yes, you are right. But with 1080p source it just makes it softer. I would assume with 4K source it is crisp.
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The Roku Ultra does HDR. I don't think you'll find a better streaming solution as of now.
Yes it does HDR but can't do HDR with this projector unfortunately. Picture is still very good though, but I really want to check out something streaming with HDR.
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Yes, you are right. But with 1080p source it just makes it softer. I would assume with 4K source it is crisp.

Yes, because of the false sharpness due to the pixel gaps.
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Thanks, went and picked it up today and installed it a little bit ago. I think I am good to go for awhile now and am going to sit back and enjoy the 4040 for the next few years..very happy with it. Its my first projector purchase.
I noticed you have a Marantz Pre/Pro correct? If so what cable and what length are you running and have you had any glitches? Thanks.

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Fast questions. I just took down my 5020UB and installed my 5040UBE. Haven't had time to play with the settings yet. I see about updating firmware on the 5040. Will it be able to be set up to connect to the internet using Wi Fi for updates?

Also will the 3D glasses from my 5020 be able to be used with the 5040?

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Anyone? Thanks.

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If you have bought Epson's wifi adapter, then I guess yes. Else you have to use USB stick.
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If you have bought Epson's wifi adapter, then I guess yes. Else you have to use USB stick.
How about the 3S glasses? Thanks for your response.

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I noticed you have a Marantz Pre/Pro correct? If so what cable and what length are you running and have you had any glitches? Thanks.
its an 18' I bought from partsexpress when i was there buying my sub. not sure of the brand just remember it was on sale for like $12. havent had any glitches.
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its an 18' I bought from partsexpress when i was there buying my sub. not sure of the brand just remember it was on sale for like $12. havent had any glitches.


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I debuted the setup at UFC 207. I have the Epson 5040Ube mounted with only power cable. I bought a custom 1' white cable to make it cleaner. Mounted the 120" Screen Innovations Black Diamond Zero Edge with LEDs. Everything is sitting in the BDI Ola 8137 stand. This would be Xbox One Day One Edition with Kinect, Roku Ultra, DirecTV, Marantz SR6011 receiver, Logitech Harmony One to control everything and the Epson wireless transmitter. Very happy with how it turned out. Everyone said pictures don't do it justice and they really don't. Still trying to find the best picture settings, but am loving using the new tech.

A lot of people said the screen isn't what they were expecting. They thought it would be like a big white pull down screen. Because it's 1.4 gain it's more grey, but still looks great off.

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I debuted the setup at UFC 207. I have the Epson 5040Ube mounted with only power cable. I bought a custom 1' white cable to make it cleaner. Mounted the 120" Screen Innovations Black Diamond Zero Edge with LEDs. Everything is sitting in the BDI Ola 8137 stand. This would be Xbox One Day One Edition with Kinect, Roku Ultra, DirecTV, Marantz SR6011 receiver, Logitech Harmony One to control everything and the Epson wireless transmitter. Very happy with how it turned out. Everyone said pictures don't do it justice and they really don't. Still trying to find the best picture settings, but am loving using the new tech.

A lot of people said the screen isn't what they were expecting. They thought it would be like a big white pull down screen. Because it's 1.4 gain it's more grey, but still looks great off.

Showing off some of the different LED colors. Green for the fight, Red on Hell's Kitchen and purple for a little football.

Also, for you gamers out there I put a little mini Juggernaug from Black Ops Zombies...functioning mini fridge.
In your pictures it looks like you have a back cover on the Epson. Is that one and if so where did you get it?
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In your pictures it looks like you have a back cover on the Epson. Is that one and if so where did you get it?
The cover over the inputs? If so, came with it.
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The cover over the inputs? If so, came with it.
Ok, I guess the Ube comes with it.
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I was referring to games and streaming (I use a different player for uhd movies).
I have the wireless version too, but I prefer the samsung player.

If you use the linker and put the X1 in hdr mode, the netflix app will output the correct hdr color space, so the linker it's not forcing anything.

Just try the switch for 1080p/hdr/10bit and compare to the 4k/hdr/8bit signal, you won't really notice a difference under normal viewing (I prefer 4k signal when using the PS4 Pro with enhanced games, the difference in resolution is noticeable. Without the linker the PS4 is limited @1080p in hdr mode).
To test 8bit banding, try X1 Horizon 3 menus or PS4 Ratchet & Clank (the level with the "land sharks", look at the sky). Use the switch to quickliy see the difference.
A first try did not brought the results you are mentioning. I did a factory reset with the linker and I get following results with netflix when I use the downscale switch:
reso: 1920x1080
refresh: 59,94Hz
color: 8bit 4:4:4 BT.2020 HDR2
The linker info tells me that it sends 10bit so it looks like the Epson is reducing it. What setting am I missing to get 10bit?

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A first try did not brought the results you are mentioning. I did a factory reset with the linker and I get following results with netflix when I use the downscale switch:
reso: 1920x1080
refresh: 59,94Hz
color: 8bit 4:4:4 BT.2020 HDR2
The linker info tells me that it sends 10bit so it looks like the Epson is reducing it. What setting am I missing to get 10bit?

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You are using the wireless connection, right? I have the wireless version too, I faced the same problem.
For some reason the wireless units sends an 8 bit signal @ 4:4:4 1080p, there's no way to to get more bits even if it should.
You need to use the wired connection to get a 10bit or 12 bit signal with the linker.
It's not Linker fault, it's the wireless unit, I tried everything.
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You are using the wireless connection, right? I have the wireless version too, I faced the same problem.
For some reason the wireless units sends an 8 bit signal @ 4:4:4 1080p, there's no way to to get more bits even if it should.
You need to use the wired connection to get a 10bit or 12 bit signal with the linker.
It's not Linker fault, it's the wireless unit, I tried everything.
Yes I got the wireless connection since it supports 4:4:4 @ 24hz without linker for UHD movies. Bit disappointing to hear now that just the wired connection is getting me 10bit @ 4:4:4 1080p.
Many thanks for the info safes me lots of time trying all kind of settings!
I might go for a wired/non wired mix. Wired for all streaming and gaming and non wired for UHD movies. My user profile is like 95% streaming from Netflix, movies from a NAS and gaming and just 5% watching UHDs. So going wired 95% of the time might also reduce the sometimes pretty long initial handshakes when changing resolutions/sources.

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