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Well, can you show some evidence that the 3D sucks?
I'm starting to wonder if this problem is a USA one. From a UK review of the 9300 (6040ub)

3D comparison

For the 3D evaluation, we only looked at the the Epson EH-TW9300 since we personally own the Epson EH-LS10000 and know its 3D performance by heart. Both Sammy and Life of Pi 3D Blu-ray were used to get an idea of the 3D that the Epson EH-TW9300 can provide.
Well, let’s keep it short: this is simply the best 3D we have ever seen! Why? Because it was bright on our 2m50 gain 1 screen, very bright even. Also because it did not suffer from any flickering leaving you with a headache after 5min of the 3D movie. In addition there was virtually no ghosting! The depth of the picture and the pop-outs were amazing.

http://projectiondream.com/en/epson-...s10000-battle/

Like I said earlier, I'm downunder and saw a 9300 yesterday and the 3D was as stated above
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Just curious. If Avatar looked very good, but not Rogue One. How is that Epson's fault.

It's like saying Mercedes runs smooth, but BMW does not, the road needs to be fixed.


I don't think that's a good analogy and I have no way of knowing if it is in fact Epson's fault.

A better analogy is a soda dispenser. Coke comes out great, Pepsi comes out messed up. I call the soda dispenser company first as they're most likely to be able to fix it.

Epson says it supports 3D. Pretty sure in their marketing material somewhere they say it does great 3D. If it's simply that Rogue One has a different format then perhaps Epson can fix it. For sure I can't call Disney and ask them if they could send me a disc that plays well on a 6040 .


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Ah. Okay..
Also avatar is a benchmark title, it should be pretty hard to jack that one up.

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I'm still about ten months from getting my system setup, but have selected the 6040UB for the theater. Hopefully this is fixed by then because I have a lot of 3D titles.


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Further to the above article I linked to here...
http://projectiondream.com/en/epson-...s10000-battle/

To achieve these results, we used the Epson EH-TW9300 on bright lamp mode, combined with the “Cinema” color mode. Also, we reduced the glasses 3D brightness to the lowest level to eliminate any residual ghosting.
The only drawback was the motion fluidity that required to activate the frame interpolation on high to keep the motion fluid.
Why do we find the Epson EH-TW9300 better than the Epson EH-LS10000? Simple. It is way brighter and shows less ghosting thanks to the option of reducing the 3D glasses brightness.

It should be noted that I checked the settings on the demo model yesterday and they weren't like that. This is driving me nuts!

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I'm starting to wonder if this problem is a USA one.
Like I said earlier, I'm downunder and saw a 9300 yesterday and the 3D was as stated above
That's what I thought. You think that after over 200 pages on this thread that there would be far more reports about this.
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Well. like I said, there were 2 formats, Active and Passive and Epson chose the wrong one.


Now, with their best consumer model...it's a FAIL.


You can't have "some" movies look good and "others" not. They should "all" look good!!!


Again, I didn't spend $4000 to watch UHD that's not UHD, but at least watch "good" 3D, not sometime good 3D!!!


Contact Epson to fix our problem!!!


Check out my new thread on this in this section!!!
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That's what I thought. You think that after over 200 pages on this thread that there would be far more reports about this.
I've been reading this thread since it started. There are numerous reports of 3D ghosting interspersed throughout. This is not a new issue.

UPDATE: I wanted to set the record straight on this issue - Setting Auto Iris to OFF completely eliminated all ghosting that I was seeing! 3D is now spectacular on this projector!!!
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Well. like I said, there were 2 formats, Active and Passive and Epson chose the wrong one.


Now, with their best consumer model...it's a FAIL.


You can't have "some" movies look good and "others" not. They should "all" look good!!!


Again, I didn't spend $4000 to watch UHD that's not UHD, but at least watch "good" 3D, not sometime good 3D!!!


Contact Epson to fix our problem!!!


Check out my new thread on this in this section!!!
I'm a little confused with how your talking about this problem, it's not epsons fault that there are good 3D titles and poor ones. If your actually meaning crosstalk it might make it clearer if you say that instead of referring to it as 'crap' etc.

I do see crosstalk at times and if using 3D glasses brightness on bright it does become more of a problem, from what your describing though I think it would be worth viewing another unit in a store if you can with some discs you know show crosstalk as your unit sounds particularly bad or even faulty.
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We continue to greatly enjoy our 5040UBE, especially after the 1.09 update. Now we just watch it instead of fiddling with it all the time.

So the next question becomes, how much impact is the screen going to have?

We have one of the inexpensive 120" Silver Screen 4K's from Amazon.

Totally light controlled basement. At 12 noon its pitch black. We have 2 large windows and a door wall. We built decorative frames around each from floor to the top of the door and mounted blackout curtains inside the frame backwards. Sealed all the edges with caulk and when you close them its total darkness.

90 percent of the time we are watching in that environment.

Given that, is screen quality still a big issue?
Sounds neat. Can you share a picture of that?
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I have watched a few 3D movies on my 6040, and I noticed cross talk on only one so far: Edge of Tomorrow. Certain scenes in this film had it really bad. I could go back to the same scenes and see the cross talk was still there. However, a couple of days later I tried that film again, and there was very little cross talk in those scenes where it was terrible previously, so I'm not quite sure what was going on with that one.
I just had a demo of a 6040 and that title was pretty much spot on. All the 3D titles I saw on the demo model was as good as you could hope to get from an LCD projector, and I took titles that have given me grief on my 5020. The only thing I can think of is that I'm downunder on 240v AC, I had to bring my Epson glasses from the 5020 and the projector was running when I got there. It's got me beat

I want to get one but the reports of hit or miss 3D here is driving me nuts!

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Where is that thread?
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I just ordered my 5040UB. Pairing it with a Stewart Cima Neve 138 inch diagonal 2.35:1 screen. Now I just need to find the right ceiling mount.
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I just ordered my 5040UB. Pairing it with a Stewart Cima Neve 138 inch diagonal 2.35:1 screen. Now I just need to find the right ceiling mount.
Get a Chief mount,the kind that came with the 6040,they are $$$ but very sturdy and don't vibrate
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That's what I thought. You think that after over 200 pages on this thread that there would be far more reports about this.
So, anybody here with a EH-TW9300 can confirm their 3D works great without unbearable crosstalk?
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Okay all, here is what I've been told from Epson...I'm going to start a new thread to tell Epson that the 6040 has a inherent 3D crosstalk/ghosting problem.


YOU HAVE TO CALL for them to be aware of the problem. As of right now, I'm the first that has reported it.


Here is the number and the guys name:


Cortney


562-981 3840 (San Pedro, CA number)


This has to be our route to get our projectors fixed!!!


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Thank you for taking the time to do this and sharing it. I've (like many who are into 3D) have invested quite a lot of money in a theater (Projector screen, construction, cabling, etc.) and the 3D was one of the main reason I sold my HDTV and enter into the Projector world.

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Uh, maybe you're the first to talk to Cortney, but you're definitely not the first to call. I have spoken with them several times and have several tickets open. But I'll call Cortney also and tell him my ticket numbers.

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When calling Epson, %95 of the time it forwards to offshore tech support. Although they do a fantastic job (as I've called them dozens of times in over a decade for other product issue i.e. color printers, etc) but for something like the issue we're having as complex as the 3D, it's also best to get a hold of their US based customer service as that will get to the higher ups. San Pedro is their US base. If at least 2 or 3 call in each week regarding this, they will see this is getting serious on their and to push for an update fix as a priority.
3D is not new and not rocket science.


One can only hope its just a firmware update to address this

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That's why the call to San Pedro.

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Sounds neat. Can you share a picture of that?

Sure here are a few. We have 2 windows and 1 doorwall. The insides have been caulked and now we just need to caulk the outside. We cut the frame back so the couch would recline. This is all out of place because we're working on the basement but the one picture is at 2pm with all the lights off and its sunny outside.

We get some bleed through the actual drape but I didn't bother to put the blinds up behind it, once those are back up and we caulk the top and sides its pitch black. First picture is off because its a wide angle shot.
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What is your guys favorite mount for this projector?

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Get a Chief mount,the kind that came with the 6040,they are $$$ but very sturdy and don't vibrate
Is this the mount your referring to?

https://m.newegg.com/products/9SIA24...B&gclsrc=aw.ds

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About 7 years ago, I bought this mount for my Epson 1080UB.

MightyMount

It still works fine, but I wonder if it will work for the 5040UB. In the interest of saving money, i would like to use this as long as it will hold the weight. It is a bit of a pin to take off and remove though (without a second person's assistance). My projector will probably be here by the end of next week. If this mount is not good enough, what other mounts do people suggest. I do like the looks of the Chief mount but the price is giving me heart burns!

How about this mount from amazon?
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I have a Chief 4500 brand new that I didn't use from my 6040. It's $125 plus $25 shipping. PM me for info.

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Is this the mount your referring to?

https://m.newegg.com/products/9SIA24...B&gclsrc=aw.ds


WHOA!
That's way too expensive, I would go with the Peerless PEPRGSUNVW mount for 1/3 of the price
For Projectors up to 50 lb




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About 7 years ago, I bought this mount for my Epson 1080UB.

MightyMount

It still works fine, but I wonder if it will work for the 5040UB. In the interest of saving money, i would like to use this as long as it will hold the weight. It is a bit of a pin to take off and remove though (without a second person's assistance). My projector will probably be here by the end of next week. If this mount is not good enough, what other mounts do people suggest. I do like the looks of the Chief mount but the price is giving me heart burns!

How about this mount from amazon?
That mount doesn't look great, or very sturdy. Try a Chief RPA 357 mount.

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I'll second going with a peerless mount, but recommend this newer improved version for its better construction and ease of adjustment. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...Projector.html
It's a couple dollars more but worth it.
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Is this the mount your referring to?

https://m.newegg.com/products/9SIA24...B&gclsrc=aw.ds
Yes,but that's too $$$$$!
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3D over wireless is working fine for me with either my old Sony BDP-BX58 and the new UBP-X800.
Sure you got the correct 3D disk inserted? Is 3D mode set to auto? If so the other settings are greyed out.
Thanks for the reply.

I've got everything set up as mentioned. If I set my 203 to "Forced 3D" I get it on the UBe, otherwise, no. I think I've got a problem.. Both players indicate "No Compatible 3D device detected"

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Is the peerless mount as good as the chief?


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Update on 3D crosstalk..
Tonight I decided to play Rogue One in 3D to see if I could mess with the settings and get an image with less crosstalk.....low and behold the movie played with almost no crosstalk right away...then I put in Doctor Strange which had horrible crosstalk the last playing....it played perfect. I changed NOTHING. The only thing that was different was that my Oppo 203 received a firmware update today....Maybe it is not all on Epson afterall?
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