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Re: Epson 5040 Settings

After much experimenting I would like to share with you the best settings I have for digital cinema. Give them a try and let me know what you think.

On the Epson

Dynamic Range= Auto (bright)
Brightness= 67
Contrast= 27
Color Saturation= 50
Tint= 50
Epson Super White= On
Gamma =-1,0,0,-2,-4,-8,-11,-8,-5 (left to right)

On the Panasonic DMP UB 900

Dynamic Contrast= +4


These are the best settings I could find for Digital Cinema. I get good contrast, Decent average picture level. Good colors. I have the colors clip around 400 nits, and the whites clip around 800 nits. Black levels are good without crushing the blacks.

It is possible to use these without using the Dynamic Contrast on the panasonic but some may find it too dark. It counters the lowering of the APL due to Epson Super White being on.

Give it a try and let me know what you think.









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What will the height of the top of your screen be? Will it be more than the 27" below where the projector would mount?

It's not really a big deal inverting the projector though, if you use some sort of cushion or mounting stand/feet, or even a ceiling mount in the niche. We do this all the time for the big events we do in my "real job", in order to meet some of the bad throw distances we're given to accommodate where the screens have to be placed in relation to the staging, decor, etc., especially for the rear projection ones.
Mr Dave are your settings only if you have a Oppo, I have a Phillips uhd player
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Haha....yes! They are created using my vast knowledge of video signals and their characteristics from almost 30 years in the business. Something I like to call............(cue the music!)





..................."The HarperVision Experience"!!!



(It's also the name of our company, HarperVision, LLC)


Thanks Dave!! These settings are AWESOME.
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Re: Epson 5040 Settings

After much experimenting I would like to share with you the best settings I have for digital cinema. Give them a try and let me know what you think.

On the Epson

Dynamic Range= Auto (bright)
Brightness= 67
Contrast= 27
Color Saturation= 50
Tint= 50
Epson Super White= On
Gamma =-1,0,0,-2,-4,-8,-11,-8,-5 (left to right)

On the Panasonic DMP UB 900

Dynamic Contrast= +4


These are the best settings I could find for Digital Cinema. I get good contrast, Decent average picture level. Good colors. I have the colors clip around 400 nits, and the whites clip around 800 nits. Black levels are good without crushing the blacks.

It is possible to use these without using the Dynamic Contrast on the panasonic but some may find it too dark. It counters the lowering of the APL due to Epson Super White being on.

Give it a try and let me know what you think.









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Thanks, will definitely try these and compare to the HDR-to-SDR conversion from Harpervision. Question, did you end up finding some good settings with Digital Cinema on Auto bright (HDR 1)?


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Thanks, will definitely try these and compare to the HDR-to-SDR conversion from Harpervision. Question, did you end up finding some good settings with Digital Cinema on Auto bright (HDR 1)?


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lol yes try these settings they are for auto bright mode


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lol yes try these settings they are for auto bright mode


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Sorry about that, for some reason my brain was thinking your settings were for HDR2 Auto.


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And I still cannot any 4K disc to look as good as it's bluray version with respect to colours. The bluray looks fantastic. I have made all the setting changes needed. I have the OPPO 203 with a 35' cable. The info on the OPPO and Epson show HDR is passing through.

I've tried 3 different 35' cables directly from the back of the OPPO. I've tried temporarily moving the OPPO right underneath my Epson using the OPPO HDMI cable. I've even tried the Samsung 4K player from a relative - makes NO difference. 4K colours are never as good as the bluray. What gives????


Follow up-I contacted Epson support today and explained this problem. I did a firmware upgrade and a reset to the projector. Sent them some photo comparisons (attached here) and showed them how the 4K looks compared to the Bluray. They are sending me out a new unit to try (advanced replacement). I sure hope this fixes my picture problem with 4K. (1st pic is 4K, 2nd is BR)
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Mr Dave are your settings only if you have a Oppo, I have a Phillips uhd player
I have the Panasonic UB900, not the Oppo yet. I was about to buy one, but then reports weren't good initially and many were liking the UB900 better, and still are, so I will continue to use it.

Any UHD player should work, as long as you can use an SDR mode on your projector and trick your UHD player into sending full HDR WCG using either the display's settings or something like an HDFury Linker, even on an SDR only 4K display! Which was kind of the point as to why I even attempted this. It was a bonus that it seems to have resulted in even better performance than the actual HDR modes on the 5040 (so far and to me anyway)!


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Thanks Dave!! These settings are AWESOME.
My new favorite saved memory setting on my Epson 5040ub:
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Maybe we can hook up and play home theater when I am back that way, or I can come do a calibration or something.
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Great news Ryan!


Hope they find a cure for our problem. Below is a thread that I started and could help you out.


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https://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-dig...alk-issue.html


Thanks I'll post back here and on that thread when I get the new unit in setup and tested.


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My 5040 will be arriving tomorrow along with 120" silver ticket screen. Never had a projector before. Any setup/install tips?


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I'd try Harper's settings, but I had my 6040 calibrated on CINEMA mode, not DIGITAL mode.

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I have had my 5040ub for a week now but only watched movies and some tv shows on it. Today I hooked up my Mac mini and actually used a white background and to my horror I am setting a pink blotch in the middle. Is that a dust blob? Can they be removed or do I have to get this replaced. Yikes.




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I have had my 5040ub for a week now but only watched movies and some tv shows on it. Today I hooked up my Mac mini and actually used a white background and to my horror I am setting a pink blotch in the middle. Is that a dust blob? Can they be removed or do I have to get this replaced. Yikes.




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Send this right over to Epson and see what they say...good luck!

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Re: Epson 5040 Settings

After much experimenting I would like to share with you the best settings I have for digital cinema. Give them a try and let me know what you think.

On the Epson

Dynamic Range= Auto (bright)
Brightness= 67
Contrast= 27
Color Saturation= 50
Tint= 50
Epson Super White= On
Gamma =-1,0,0,-2,-4,-8,-11,-8,-5 (left to right)

On the Panasonic DMP UB 900

Dynamic Contrast= +4


These are the best settings I could find for Digital Cinema. I get good contrast, Decent average picture level. Good colors. I have the colors clip around 400 nits, and the whites clip around 800 nits. Black levels are good without crushing the blacks.

It is possible to use these without using the Dynamic Contrast on the panasonic but some may find it too dark. It counters the lowering of the APL due to Epson Super White being on.

Give it a try and let me know what you think.









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Hi, thanks for posting these, did you get my message though ?.
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I'd try Harper's settings, but I had my 6040 calibrated on CINEMA mode, not DIGITAL mode.

So just put my settings in the Digital Cinema mode.
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Re: Epson 5040 Settings

After much experimenting I would like to share with you the best settings I have for digital cinema. Give them a try and let me know what you think.

On the Epson

Dynamic Range= Auto (bright)
Brightness= 67
Contrast= 27
Color Saturation= 50
Tint= 50
Epson Super White= On
Gamma =-1,0,0,-2,-4,-8,-11,-8,-5 (left to right)

On the Panasonic DMP UB 900

Dynamic Contrast= +4


These are the best settings I could find for Digital Cinema. I get good contrast, Decent average picture level. Good colors. I have the colors clip around 400 nits, and the whites clip around 800 nits. Black levels are good without crushing the blacks.

It is possible to use these without using the Dynamic Contrast on the panasonic but some may find it too dark. It counters the lowering of the APL due to Epson Super White being on.

Give it a try and let me know what you think.
I was playing around last night with the Sony patterns on Underworld UHD to set contrast using Digital Cinema mode. I am not certain I'm performing the white clipping correctly, but I also ended up at 27 for contrast. At 27, the 1000 nit bar is visible and the 1100 is not. At 28 contrast, the 1100 bar becomes visible. As you noticed, this yields a picture that most would consider too dim. I am considering the Panasonic UHD player for its brightness adjustment but did I set the white clipping correctly?
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What will the height of the top of your screen be? Will it be more than the 27" below where the projector would mount?

It's not really a big deal inverting the projector though, if you use some sort of cushion or mounting stand/feet, or even a ceiling mount in the niche. We do this all the time for the big events we do in my "real job", in order to meet some of the bad throw distances we're given to accommodate where the screens have to be placed in relation to the staging, decor, etc., especially for the rear projection ones.
Thanks Dave. The top of the screen is approximately 10" below the projector. The Epson diagram and specifications show the max 22.7" offset from the center of the screen though, not the top. Here's the info from Epson...
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Maybe we can hook up and play home theater when I am back that way, or I can come do a calibration or something.
Western PA - North of Pittsburgh. We had a mild winter = lots and lots of ticks..

I had set up my theater on my own using a few of the calibration discs I have. It looked pretty good to me. When I put in your settings it was like seeing an HDTV for the first time.. I couldn't believe this projector could look so good. Now I need to get more 4k discs to enjoy.
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Without having to read pages of threads what are Dave harper's settings for? HDR UHD only, but in SDR mode (???).

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Without having to read pages of threads what are Dave harper's settings for? HDR UHD only, but in SDR mode (???).
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Thanks Dave. The top of the screen is approximately 10" below the projector. The Epson diagram and specifications show the max 22.7" offset from the center of the screen though, not the top. Here's the info from Epson...

OK thanks for the explanation. Have you gone here and used the calculator to determine what works for your setup?

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What's the consensus here regarding the best uhd player for the 5040ub. I had my eyes set on the Sony. But is the Panasonic better. It is way more expensive though.


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So if I'm trying to watch a 4K UHD HDR movie, these settings will not work? I have a Phillips player and no external linker of any sort to strip the HDR but keep the WCG. Does that mean my setup is not equipped to work correctly with Harpervision?


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So if I'm trying to watch a 4K UHD HDR movie, these settings will not work? I have a Phillips player and no external linker of any sort to strip the HDR but keep the WCG. Does that mean my setup is not equipped to work correctly with Harpervision?


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We're not talking about stripping HDR. The HDR signal with WCG gets to the projector but you tell the projector to display in SDR mode. Then the Harpervision settings do their magic.
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Have you seen this video?
I've had the Panasonic since August and it has been great. No issues and plays everything I throw at it. The latest firmware with its HDR enhancements make it a perfect match for the Epson. I also have an Oppo 103D and I find the image better letting the Panasonic upscale the picture to 4k than sending 1080p (from the Oppo) and letting the Epson do it. Saying that, with MKV or MP4 files the Oppo 103D does a better job due to its Darbee processing.

Sorry, I can't comment on the Sony or Philips players as they are not available in Australia yet.

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We're not talking about stripping HDR. The HDR signal with WCG gets to the projector but you tell the projector to display in SDR mode. Then the Harpervision settings do their magic.


Very interesting. I'll give them a try and compare to my HDR settings I've come up with and take pics for you guys to see. I feel like I've been tweaking this projector for 8 months now and finally got a great looking HDR picture. Thanks!


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We're not talking about stripping HDR. The HDR signal with WCG gets to the projector but you tell the projector to display in SDR mode. Then the Harpervision settings do their magic.
OK, so what is the benefit of doing this though? Is this for setups where HDR is displayed too dark? Thank you for the explanation. This sounds like a great thing Dave Harper has done for us, but I think some of us are missing just one or two sentences about what the purpose is.

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