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Just putting this out there if you use harpervision settings, and own the Panasonic DMP UB900 UHD player. Set the dynamic contrast to -8 it makes the colors clip much later.

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Did this affect overall brightness at all, or just help the color clipping points?


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wait! Harper vision with phillips? ~sigh~ just bought the phillips.....
Yes, you can use my HarperVision Experience HDR on SDR settings on any HDR signal source and 4K Display, as long as you can manually put it in SDR mode while receiving an HDR signal (using menu settings or a Linker), and also put in the rest of the settings like the custom gamma. It was designed to be used on older SDR 4K displays/projectors that were released before HDR10 was really a thing or as commonplace as it is now to find. Mainly with the Epson LS10000 in mind.


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Epson confirmed that my replacement projector is a new one. I guess I have to take their word. I hooked it up and no dust blob on this one. However, I have a panel color uniformity issue. I don't know if you can tell from the photo but projecting a white background from my Mac mini has a green hue on the left half of the screen and a red hue on the right half of the screen. Yikes. Definitely can see it in a white background.

Do I have to send this back again?

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Holy smokes. I'm loving this 5040! Much better experience than my JVC 420 has given me these past few months believe it or not. Sure I notice the higher black level but this thing is no slouch overall. Seems very well​ rounded... Especially for the price. The motion isn't best in class (I still give that to Sony) but it's so much better than the JVC I had. I'm sure I'll find some warts eventually but man. Seems like an excellent value so far.

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Where do I find Harpervision?

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Holy smokes. I'm loving this 5040! Much better experience than my JVC 420 has given me these past few months believe it or not. Sure I notice the higher black level but this thing is no slouch overall. Seems very well​ rounded... Especially for the price. The motion isn't best in class (I still give that to Sony) but it's so much better than the JVC I had. I'm sure I'll find some warts eventually but man. Seems like an excellent value so far.

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Thanks for getting back to us. When you say Sony has better motion, are you turning on motion compensation or you have this switched off on both projectors? Also is the Epson anygood with sports?

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Holy smokes. I'm loving this 5040! Much better experience than my JVC 420 has given me these past few months believe it or not. Sure I notice the higher black level but this thing is no slouch overall. Seems very well​ rounded... Especially for the price. The motion isn't best in class (I still give that to Sony) but it's so much better than the JVC I had. I'm sure I'll find some warts eventually but man. Seems like an excellent value so far.

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I know right. I came from a Sony 675 and now also have a JVC RS600 and I'm amazed at how close they are.

I think once you put in my settings and calibrate the basics like brightness contrast color etc then you'll see even better black and details. Put in The Martian UHD and there's a chapter
Towards the end that starts with the space ship flying by, after they've returned to pickup Matt Damon. I can't believe the image I get in that scene is from a $2,500 projector!

It should be even better on the LS10000 I'm about to get and on the RS600 when
I'm done. I wish I could get the 675 back to try it in that one too! Maybe soon.
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I'm right here man!

Oh, you mean the settings, haha! Just click the link below my signature.






I know right. I came from a Sony 675 and now also have a JVC RS600 and I'm amazed at how close they are.

I think once you put in my settings and calibrate the basics like brightness contrast color etc then you'll see even better black and details. Put in The Martian UHD and there's a chapter
Towards the end that starts with the space ship flying by, after they've returned to pickup Matt Damon. I can't believe the image I get in that scene is from a $2,500 projector!

It should be even better on the LS10000 I'm about to get and on the RS600 when
I'm done. I wish I could get the 675 back to try it in that one too! Maybe soon.


Hi Dave,

Let me know when you have the ls10000 and how it compares to the 6040 I'm debating between the 2. If the ls10k is worth the extra money over the 6040.

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Thanks for getting back to us. When you say Sony has better motion, are you turning on motion compensation or you have this switched off on both projectors? Also is the Epson anygood with sports?

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Well I'll have a 45ES in the house tomorrow. But from what I remember:

The Sony displayed fewer motion interpolation artifacts. The Epson has them but really only on real torture test scenes so far (like the beginning of X-Men Apocalypse).

On Low the Epson does seem to hitch a bit during pans on 1080p/24. But it's not awful. And it seems to go away on Standard (but with slightly more artifacts and more SOE).

On the JVC with everything off I found 1080p/24 to be unwatchable due to judder. I think it's very doable on the Epson though if you don't like Frame Interpolation.

I will say the JVC 42O has a more vibrant picture on HDR with it's defaults but I haven't researched any settings for the 5040 yet.so that may change.

I certainly wouldn't recommend a 420 over this for an extra $2k unless you really need 4k/60 HDR etc. I imagine a 520 vs a 5040 might be a harder choice.

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Let me know when you have the ls10000 and how it compares to the 6040 I'm debating between the 2. If the ls10k is worth the extra money over the 6040.

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I should get the LS10K on Wednesday (thanks @Mike Garrett !).

Wait, isn't the 6040 about $3,995 MSRP? Is that one on sale too? You can get the LS10000 B-Stock from the above shout out dude in same price range, so what extra money are we talking about?
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I'm right here man!

Oh, you mean the settings, haha! Just click the link below my signature.






I know right. I came from a Sony 675 and now also have a JVC RS600 and I'm amazed at how close they are.

I think once you put in my settings and calibrate the basics like brightness contrast color etc then you'll see even better black and details. Put in The Martian UHD and there's a chapter
Towards the end that starts with the space ship flying by, after they've returned to pickup Matt Damon. I can't believe the image I get in that scene is from a $2,500 projector!

It should be even better on the LS10000 I'm about to get and on the RS600 when
I'm done. I wish I could get the 675 back to try it in that one too! Maybe soon.
This should definitely tide me over for awhile unless I find something terrible after further review tomorrow. When the 675 refreshes I might sell a pinball machine to stretch my budget for it but maybe not!

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This should definitely tide me over for awhile unless I find something terrible after further review tomorrow. When the 675 refreshes I might sell a pinball machine to stretch my budget for it but maybe not!

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You may want to. The 675 so far has been my all time favorite digital projector that I've ever owned.
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You may want to. The 675 so far has been my all time favorite digital projector that I've ever owned.
Well I have one pinbsll machine I could get $4-5k for but I want Sony to add 4k FI and have another round of possible degradation counter measures before I spend that much.

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Well I'll have a 45ES in the house tomorrow. But from what I remember:

The Sony displayed fewer motion interpolation artifacts. The Epson has them but really only on real torture test scenes so far (like the beginning of X-Men Apocalypse).

On Low the Epson does seem to hitch a bit during pans on 1080p/24. But it's not awful. And it seems to go away on Standard (but with slightly more artifacts and more SOE).

On the JVC with everything off I found 1080p/24 to be unwatchable due to judder. I think it's very doable on the Epson though if you don't like Frame Interpolation.

I will say the JVC 42O has a more vibrant picture on HDR with it's defaults but I haven't researched any settings for the 5040 yet.so that may change.

I certainly wouldn't recommend a 420 over this for an extra $2k unless you really need 4k/60 HDR etc. I imagine a 520 vs a 5040 might be a harder choice.

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Yep I don't like the SOE/FI. So hoping for good motion with no enhancements


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I should get the LS10K on Wednesday (thanks @Mike Garrett !).

Wait, isn't the 6040 about $3,995 MSRP? Is that one on sale too? You can get the LS10000 B-Stock from the above shout out dude in same price range, so what extra money are we talking about?


Oh I'm in Australia so pricing is different. LS10k is like A$8000 here and 6040 is like A$4200

Half the price lol. Unless I import from US?


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I'm right here man!

Oh, you mean the settings, haha! Just click the link below my signature.
Holy Moses!

I just installed Harpervision and it looks a LOT more like I remember the JVC looking with Planet Earth II UHD. Well done!

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holy moses!

I just installed harpervision and it looks a lot more like i remember the jvc looking with planet earth ii uhd. Well done!

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I just picked up my copy of Planet Earth II today from the PO Box, so I will have that to play with tonight!
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You guys friggin' crack me up!

I sure wish more people would jump on this and start tweaking it with their own settings, a la' the way everyone is doing with the awesome custom gammas on the JVCs. I think we can really make this something even more amazing for those folks that didn't get an HDR capable 4K set. That was the main intention of this from the beginning, to get a full HDR signal onto an SDR 4K display. It just turned out, what appears to be, better than the darned stock HDR modes on those upgraded HDR displays too! A nice bonus, I must say.
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So watching Kingsman. Wanted to test the parachute scene because it's known for motion artifacts.

I'm surprised by how favorably the image compares to the JVC 420 despite the native contrast differences.
It's really very close IMO which surprises me.

Do you have to manually change the Harpervision settings under Signal when changing back to normal Blu-ray? Is there a way around that?

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Hi Dave,

I have been away for more than 2 weeks n without Internet service. Just read your HarperVision setting today n all the raving result from users. However, I want to make sure it is for Epson 5040. Also, I am hooking it up directly with a OPPO 203 with no Preamp or receiver in between. Should I be aware of any specific setting on 203 since it seems your settings is more gear up for people using Panasonic player.

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Epson confirmed that my replacement projector is a new one. I guess I have to take their word. I hooked it up and no dust blob on this one. However, I have a panel color uniformity issue. I don't know if you can tell from the photo but projecting a white background from my Mac mini has a green hue on the left half of the screen and a red hue on the right half of the screen. Yikes. Definitely can see it in a white background.

Do I have to send this back again?


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I know in the uk Epson send out refurbs as replacement units, as Dave has said you can try adjusting in the screen uniformity but if it was me I would send that right back ASAP.
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Hi Owners,

Im really keen to get this projector for the 4k pixel shifting. Coming from a Sony HW40es.

I intend to play a lot of PS4 gaming. But im concerned that it only supports 4k HDR at 24p.

Since its release has it had a firmware update or hardware update that allows 4k hdr at 60p?

Also ive read here some users have 3D ghosting issues and contacted epson. Has this issue been resolved?

My Sony HW40es had xtalk as well. But warming it up 20mins before mostly minimizes xtalk.

Thanks!

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For me the Sony had better black level which was backed up when I measured it, it's not night and say but enough to make very dark scenes with little APL noticably greyer on the Epson, I think native motion was a little better on Sony aswell.
That aside the overall picture performance on the Epson wins hands down, combined with the upscaling from my Panasonic ub700 player blu Rays look fantastic.
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For me the Sony had better black level which was backed up when I measured it, it's not night and say but enough to make very dark scenes with little APL noticably greyer on the Epson, I think native motion was a little better on Sony aswell.

That aside the overall picture performance on the Epson wins hands down, combined with the upscaling from my Panasonic ub700 player blu Rays look fantastic.


Ok thanks

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Just putting this out there if you use harpervision settings, and own the Panasonic DMP UB900 UHD player. Set the dynamic contrast to -8 it makes the colors clip much later.


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Hi, does that not then make the image back to looking to dark ?.
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Also ive read here some users have 3D ghosting issues and contacted epson. Has this issue been resolved?

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Epson is investigating the 3D ghosting issue right now. They are getting units back from several owners to troubleshoot. No idea if it is a software or hardware issue or if it is isolated to a certain batch of units or if it is common to them all.

UPDATE: I wanted to set the record straight on this issue - Setting Auto Iris to OFF completely eliminated all ghosting that I was seeing! 3D is now spectacular on this projector!!!
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I know in the uk Epson send out refurbs as replacement units, as Dave has said you can try adjusting in the screen uniformity but if it was me I would send that right back ASAP.


They send refurbs here too if the original projector was used for a while, but my original was only used for a few days before I actually noticed the dust blob. I am going to contact Epson again today. I still have to unmount the original and send that out and then set up and replacement for the replacement as well!


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So watching Kingsman. Wanted to test the parachute scene because it's known for motion artifacts.

I'm surprised by how favorably the image compares to the JVC 420 despite the native contrast differences.
It's really very close IMO which surprises me.

Do you have to manually change the Harpervision settings under Signal when changing back to normal Blu-ray? Is there a way around that?

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I just select Natural Mode when I want to play other HD sources and have that calibrated for rec709 HD SDR. I only use digital cinema for uhd HDR bt2020 in SDR mode with custom gamma.


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I have been away for more than 2 weeks n without Internet service. Just read your HarperVision setting today n all the raving result from users. However, I want to make sure it is for Epson 5040. Also, I am hooking it up directly with a OPPO 203 with no Preamp or receiver in between. Should I be aware of any specific setting on 203 since it seems your settings is more gear up for people using Panasonic player.

Thanks again for your help. Regards.

Yes you can use it on any 4K display that you can put into SDR mode either manually or using a Linker, either SDR only or also HDR capable as this appears that it may be better than stock HDR settings on those display devices, like the 5040, etc.

You can use any UHD player or streamer, with the caveats above. The UB900 is just a better choice overall since it also has the Dynamic Range Brightness slider adjustment for HDR, which you can also use to make the image brighter in any HDR mode and may be preferred over my settings. It's a personal preference either way.
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