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Without wishing to cause offence because I do use Harpervison Digital Cinema settings
Thought I read somewhere that Oledurt thought the same, but then commented that he found that Bright Cinema does use the DCI-P3 filter?
I am very interested in this!

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Watch "The Great Wall". The content may not be for all, but it's a demo material. And I am not even talking about UHD, just the Blu ray.


Absolutely stunning in UHD & ATMOS. Definitely demo material. Highly recommend!


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Watched this last night and agree that the BluRay is both Audio and Video demo worthy...


Anyone know if the Redbox version same quality?


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Anyone know if the Redbox version same quality?


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Don't know. Although I typically rent from both Redbox and Family Video, this BD title with Atmos was from FV.

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Without wishing to cause offence because I do use Harpervison Digital Cinema settings

Thought I read somewhere that Oledurt thought the same, but then commented that he found that Bright Cinema does use the DCI-P3 filter?

No it does not use the filter. I believe he commented that his calibrator said it was very close except for green to P3 even without the filter, but when I measured it, it wasn't that close and there is a benefit to using Digital Cinema with the filter.


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Ok, I understand.
You suspect the Epsons have a poor YCbCr-to-RGB decoding implementation.

So you are trying to avoid/bypass the Epsons YCbCr-to-RGB decoding, by instead using a UHD Player that can better perform the YCbCr-to-RGB decoding itself, and then deliver already decoded RGB to the Epsons.
Issue is:
- UHD 4K Player ouput at RGB 4K24p 8bit = This would be ok for SDR (8bit), but not for HDR (which requires 10bit, to avoid banding, due to increased steps between darkness and brightness)
- UHD 4K Player ouput at RGB 4K24p 10bit = This would be ok for HDR (10bit), but unfortunately the Epson does not accepts this particular combination due to its 10Gbps HDMI chipset input limit.

It looks like for these Epson generation models, no "Holy Grail" ...
I am "praying" that the next Epson models (5050UB ?) have 18Gbps HDMI chipsets (like the current JVC RS420 does), but at this nice Epson price range.
Its almost 2018 (HDMI 2.1 @ 48Gbps), who still uses legacy 10Gbps HDMI chipsets anyway, right ?

Yes that's right, although for some reason even in 8 bit mode I didn't notice any banding. Maybe it has great dithering algorithms? It was really good and I can only imagine better if it could accept it.

Sorry, sometimes I mix things up when I'm talking about this unit and the LS10000 since I am messing with the same things on both!
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Anyone know if the Redbox version same quality?


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Yes. I watched the redbox copy only.
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Improved path to Holy Grail !!!

Hi Dave,

Just to sum it up n make sure I don't misunderstand your observation ...

'RGB Video level at 8 bit' gives a better picture quality than 'YCrCb 4:2:2 at 12 bit' for HDR when using Harpervision settings ... correct ???

Is it possible the settings on 5040 is SDR so you did not see any banding ?

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No it does not use the filter. I believe he commented that his calibrator said it was very close except for green to P3 even without the filter, but when I measured it, it wasn't that close and there is a benefit to using Digital Cinema with the filter.





Yes that's right, although for some reason even in 8 bit mode I didn't notice any banding. Maybe it has great dithering algorithms? It was really good and I can only imagine better if it could accept it.

Sorry, sometimes I mix things up when I'm talking about this unit and the LS10000 since I am messing with the same things on both!

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Hey guys,
I am finally getting around to setting up my Epson 5040ub and it is time to buy a 4k blu ray player. Without going through hundreds of pages, I recall there were issues with most in getting the 4k HDR through... has this since been addressed? Which player would you recommend? Has the Xbox 1S issues been fixed in this regard?

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Hi Dave,

Just to sum it up n make sure I don't misunderstand your observation ...

'RGB Video level at 8 bit' gives a better picture quality than 'YCrCb 4:2:2 at 12 bit' for HDR when using Harpervision settings ... correct ???

Is it possible the settings on 5040 is SDR so you did not see any banding ?

Thanks in advance

I don't feel comfortable saying that yet. I haven't had time to do any real testing for a decent amount of time.

Yes that's possible. I tried so many things trying to get the full signal that the one I recall seeing and watching for awhile could have been the SDR 8 bit version.

I'll do much more in depth testing when I get back.
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Absolutely stunning in UHD & ATMOS. Definitely demo material. Highly recommend!


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I concur, this is a reference movie, not much for dialogue exchange, but worthy popcorn flick, I've watched it twice already...

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To those complaining about motion issues, I was the first to bring it up several months back. I don't know what has happened, but over time for ME the motion issues are gone. It's either because my brain got used to it, or perhaps because the brightness has degraded from the new bulb to a point where the motion issues are not as radical anymore.

I am really quite sure that the motion / flickering issues are more prominent with brighter images/settings. I did some testing and concluded that.

Bottom line, I am no longer bothered by it at all. I love this projector.
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To those complaining about motion issues, I was the first to bring it up several months back. I don't know what has happened, but over time for ME the motion issues are gone. It's either because my brain got used to it, or perhaps because the brightness has degraded from the new bulb to a point where the motion issues are not as radical anymore.

I am really quite sure that the motion / flickering issues are more prominent with brighter images/settings. I did some testing and concluded that.

Bottom line, I am no longer bothered by it at all. I love this projector.
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Streaming 4K (Roku) vs 1080p

Sorry if this question has been asked before but while I wait for my unit to be delivered I was wondering what the collective wisdom was on streaming netflix or Amazon. Does image look better when streamed in 4K vs streamed in 1080 and pixel shifted.

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Projector Has Completely Shut Down (5040ube)

I have had my Epson 5040ube for a little over a month. It is ceiling mounted and has functioned flawlessly the entire time. Last night we watched a movie and put it on standby just as we have every time we've used the projector. Today I went to turn it on and the unit is completely unresponsive. None of the lights come on (or even flicker), the lens cap stays shut, and there is absolutely no indication of anything happening. I have confirmed that the remote batteries are ok, I have confirmed that the outlet that the projector is plugged into is fully functional, and I have checked all of the power cord connections. The power button on the unit itself doesn't cause any response, either.

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That is, of course, the plan. But wanted to see if someone here had encountered this problem and knew what the solution might be.
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Not projector related but figured somebody here would have ideas since its xbox 1s related. When I have xbox 1s on I get a high frequency whine thru my speakers and when I pause or its a quite game I hear it and its driving me crazy. If I switch to Blu-ray whine is gone immediatly. Projector is NOT on so its not it.

I have done the following with no success

1. Used a power cord away from all wires
2. Used different HDMI
3. Turn 4K resolution off
4. Tried surround and stereo mode
5. Tried different HDMI port on AVR

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That is, of course, the plan. But wanted to see if someone here had encountered this problem and knew what the solution might be.
Same thing happened (worked fine last time I used it then one day even the red power light was out and it wouldn't turn on) to my AE8000U for no reason and I sent it in for repairs (1 month before warranty ended!) and they said the circuit board was damaged. No idea why but possibly a surge even though I used a surge protector.
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Are there any other settings to try before I take this Epson down and go theu the hassle of sending it back? I just cant understand why more people have't mentioned this motion issue on this forum. Yes, I'm sensitive to this issue, but man, this is a big deal.Watching pano's and action is like being on a roller coaster in how it affects my brain. Nothing like that with my JVC RS40. Anyone have experience comparing the 5040 to a JVC RS400/500, in terms of motion, sharpness,
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Just jumping in here on a flyer- is your BD player sending 24fps or 60fps to the projector? Does that affect this issue you are seeing?

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Hey guys,
I am finally getting around to setting up my Epson 5040ub and it is time to buy a 4k blu ray player. Without going through hundreds of pages, I recall there were issues with most in getting the 4k HDR through... has this since been addressed? Which player would you recommend? Has the Xbox 1S issues been fixed in this regard?

TIA!
Panasonic UB700/UB900 is the way to go at the moment. I have the Xbox One S and they say that it's fixed but not for me. Stick with a real player like the UB700.
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Panasonic UB700/UB900 is the way to go at the moment. I have the Xbox One S and they say that it's fixed but not for me. Stick with a real player like the UB700.
Wow that thing is expensive. I was hoping the xbox issues were fixed because I can also use it for all the streaming services... knock out two birds with one stone. I guess not
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Wow that thing is expensive. I was hoping the xbox issues were fixed because I can also use it for all the streaming services... knock out two birds with one stone. I guess not
I have the UB900 and its a fantastic player but only sends HDR RGB 8bit and the opp 203 I believe does 4:2:2 HDR RGB 10 bit so I may switch to that if dave Harper "Harper vision" thinks its better.

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I have the UB900 and its a fantastic player but only sends HDR RGB 8bit and the opp 203 I believe does 4:2:2 HDR RGB 10 bit so I may switch to that if dave Harper "Harper vision" thinks its better.

As was stated RGB is 4:4:4. I copied that wrong in my posts while cross posting a bunch of stuff. Sorry. Yes the issue is only getting 8 bit, but that's a limitation of the projector itself. The issue is with the Panny you can't force HDR WCG but with the 203 you can, but it's still limited to 8 bit because of the projectors 10.2Gbps HDMI input bandwidth limitation.
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As was stated RGB is 4:4:4. I copied that wrong in my posts while cross posting a bunch of stuff. Sorry. Yes the issue is only getting 8 bit, but that's a limitation of the projector itself. The issue is with the Panny you can't force HDR WCG but with the 203 you can, but it's still limited to 8 bit because of the projectors 10.2Gbps HDMI input bandwidth limitation.
Why would you need to force HDR WCG? All discs have this and the once that don't shouldn't.

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4:2:2 HDR RGB 10 bit does not make sense. RGB is uncompressed color. The projector doesn't support RGB 10b HDR as that's equivalent to YCrCb 4:4:4 10b HDR(pretty much from what I understand it). Theoretically it seems like RGB would be better though I'm no expert. The Panasonics for sure send the correct color and even better it does it better than any other player including the Oppos.

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That is, of course, the plan. But wanted to see if someone here had encountered this problem and knew what the solution might be.
I experienced it once, I unplugged the power cable for ~30sec. and it starting working again and I haven't had any other issues. If this issue repeats itself I would definitely contact Epson, it could be a control board issue.

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Why would you need to force HDR WCG? All discs have this and the once that don't shouldn't.

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4:2:2 HDR RGB 10 bit does not make sense. RGB is uncompressed color. The projector doesn't support RGB 10b HDR as that's equivalent to YCrCb 4:4:4 10b HDR(pretty much from what I understand it). Theoretically it seems like RGB would be better though I'm no expert. The Panasonics for sure send the correct color and even better it does it better than any other player including the Oppos.
I stand corrected, I had it backwards lol

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I experienced it once, I unplugged the power cable for ~30sec. and it starting working again and I haven't had any other issues. If this issue repeats itself I would definitely contact Epson, it could be a control board issue.

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Thanks, Azeke. I called Epson this AM and walked them through the issue. As a result, they are shipping me a brand new projector today. Really great customer service experience. Hopefully no problems going forward.

Thanks to all who responded!
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I have had my Epson 5040ube for a little over a month. It is ceiling mounted and has functioned flawlessly the entire time. Last night we watched a movie and put it on standby just as we have every time we've used the projector. Today I went to turn it on and the unit is completely unresponsive. None of the lights come on (or even flicker), the lens cap stays shut, and there is absolutely no indication of anything happening. I have confirmed that the remote batteries are ok, I have confirmed that the outlet that the projector is plugged into is fully functional, and I have checked all of the power cord connections. The power button on the unit itself doesn't cause any response, either.

Any ideas?

Much thanks...
Same thing happened to me. Had the projector for less then 2 months. Everything worked great and then one morning I go to turn it on and nothing. No lights, no shutter open, no sounds, nothing. Confirmed that the outlet was good, etc. Called Crutchfield and they had no clue other then they thought that something on the power board failed for whatever reason. They sent me a new one and everything is working great.
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Why would you need to force HDR WCG? All discs have this and the once that don't shouldn't.



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4:2:2 HDR RGB 10 bit does not make sense. RGB is uncompressed color. The projector doesn't support RGB 10b HDR as that's equivalent to YCrCb 4:4:4 10b HDR(pretty much from what I understand it). Theoretically it seems like RGB would be better though I'm no expert. The Panasonics for sure send the correct color and even better it does it better than any other player including the Oppos.

I guess "force" is the wrong word maybe, but what happens is you only get RGB SDR rec709 8 bit with the UB900. Another user reported being able to send RGB HDR bt2020 8 bit with an Oppo 203.
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