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post #1051 of 17847 Old 09-26-2016, 04:48 PM
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suckkkkkkkks. although i wouldn't use it for pc gaming as I use the oculus rift and a curved 1440p ultrawide monitor... the fact it won't do 4:4:4 at 4k/60 is such a bummer....but yet it's not a 4k projector sooooo... can't have it all...but big time eww at 4k/30hz...desktop use at 30hz even would drive me insane.
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My wife thinks I over engineer everything and this projector is no different. She can't turn the projector on and set it up for optimum viewing if I am not around. I have decided to leave HDR off for now so kids can watch when I am out of town.

I think HDFury Integral may be an option for me. This way I don't have to change much on the projector and get the best picture and color.
This sounds like a major headache. Would the 6040 that includes ISF-certified calibration tools and
lockable memory modes to ensure accurate performance
eliminate having to repeat all these set-up routines?

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suckkkkkkkks. although i wouldn't use it for pc gaming as I use the oculus rift and a curved 1440p ultrawide monitor... the fact it won't do 4:4:4 at 4k/60 is such a bummer....but yet it's not a 4k projector sooooo... can't have it all...but big time eww at 4k/30hz...desktop use at 30hz even would drive me insane.
I game on 3440x1440 monitor as well, but I find the image quality on this projector to be far better than my monitor even with the 4:2:0 chroma. The colour accuracy / uniformity alone ****s all over monitors.

The e-shift also works well and brings in a lot of additional details in the game:

1080p 4k Enhancement On 4:4:4 vs 4k 4:2:0 (Image enhancement 2 for both)





You can see the shirt folds in the 4k shot but not in the 1080p shot.
The 4k picture is also a lot cleaner with less aliasing (see the staff for example).
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I game on 3440x1440 monitor as well, but I find the image quality on this projector to be far better than my monitor even with the 4:2:0 chroma. The colour accuracy / uniformity alone ****s all over monitors.
yeah going to majorly disagree there by a country bumpkin mile. Comparing a projector to a curved ultrawide 1440p color accurate before even slightest calibration or even any ips monitor can't be touched by a fake 4k projector in both color production and overall image quality(especially image quality) spread across a giant screen. I'm all for a projectors but you're not going to beat ips (with minimal ips glow) monitor.
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yeah going to majorly disagree there by a country bumpkin mile. Comparing a projector to a curved ultrawide 1440p color accurate before even slightest calibration or even any ips monitor can't be touched by a fake 4k projector in both color production and overall image quality(especially image quality) spread across a giant screen. I'm all for a projectors but you're not going to beat ips (with minimal ips glow) monitor.
Unless you are willing to shell out for Eizo monitors, monitors are generally pretty subpar in terms of uniformity in my experience. Even my VA ultra-wide can be a bit lacking.

Anyway, we are getting off topic here. The main reason why I posted those comparisons is to show potential buyers that while the lack of 4:4:4 for 4k60 is no doubt disappointing, the rest of the projectors ability (4k input, image quality etc) far outweigh that one flaw. I would still choose 4k 4:2:0 over 1080p 4:4:4.
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Unless you are willing to shell out for Eizo monitors, monitors are generally pretty subpar in terms of uniformity in my experience. Even my VA ultra-wide can be a bit lacking.
because va panels aren't exactly known for their awesomeness... they pale in comparison to ips.

but yeah back on topic
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Full list in one spot for reference and yes I confirmed in the projector menu for all of these:

[email protected] 8bit 4:2:0
[email protected] 8bit 4:4:4
[email protected] 8bit 4:2:0
[email protected] 8bit 4:4:4
[email protected] 8bit or 12bit 4:4:4
To achieve all these figures, does HDMI cable with a speed of 10.2 Gbps or 18Gbps matter ???
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Hoogs, would love to see some 4K/60 shots of PC games if you get a chance.
I can try, I only have the iphone 6 though so it may not look great.
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FWIW, I've always abided by the notion that hardwired is always better than wireless. I'm sure most would still agree with that.
That said, is anyone succesfully using the wireless capabilities to stream video/Directv/etc. It would make a HUGE impact on my flexibility for setup--especially for the immediate future.

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I was just playing around with the PJ central calculator and saw that at a 15' throw, the zoom will need to be set at 1.84 of the maximum 2.10 on a 135" screen. vs. 1.65 zoom on a 120" screen at 15'.

Will my image quality suffer in general by having the zoom that high?
The only thing that changes is brightness and doesn't affect PQ.

Projector Reviews had this to say about a pre-production model:

"Changing from wide angle to full telephoto produces a lot more drop off in brightness – Reduces brightness byjust over 31%.

This, folks is another indicator of improved optics design compared to the older 5030UB’s lens. That lens lost over 40% going from full wide angle to telephoto."
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So it makes sense then to setup and mount the project "near" its full wide angle setting and tweak from there to fit your intended screen size? I am ordering a 6040 for my first projector so still learning best practices.


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Interesting take, because I've been hearing mixed opinions on whether image quality is reduced with a bigger picture. Most I have read agress that with all else being equal(throw distance, PJ, Screen type), a smaller screen and image will be better.
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I believe wide zoom gives you more brightness, but the opposite end gives you more contrast. So I normally go for the contrast assuming you have enough brightness.

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Just ordered my 5040 and I'm now looking at what HDMI cables to buy. Does anyone have any good recommendations for a 12-15 ft cable that have had success getting HDR to work with?

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Just ordered my 5040 and I'm now looking at what HDMI cables to buy. Does anyone have any good recommendations for a 12-15 ft cable that have had success getting HDR to work with?

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I believe wide zoom gives you more brightness, but the opposite end gives you more contrast. So I normally go for the contrast assuming you have enough brightness.
So wide is shorter throw and tele is longer? or is it other way around?
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Wider would be to display a wider "bigger" image when positioning the projector closer to the screen. Telephoto would allow you to put the projector back further and "zoom" in to your screen size so in theory smaller image.
Easiest way to think about it is if you were to leave the zoom alone the image would get bigger as you move the projector away from the screen and get smaller as you move it closer. You have to go wider as you move it in and zoom in as you move away.


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So brighter in wider makes sense to me as your projector would typically be closer to the screen.


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I believe wide zoom gives you more brightness, but the opposite end gives you more contrast. So I normally go for the contrast assuming you have enough brightness.
If you plan on doing much HDR in the next year, better go for brightness. Also if you want to improve your image the most, work on the room. This is assuming you do not already have a black pit.
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So brighter in wider makes sense to me as your projector would typically be closer to the screen.


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Is there a consensus on the best UHD player to pair with the 5040?
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If you plan on doing much HDR in the next year, better go for brightness. Also if you want to improve your image the most, work on the room. This is assuming you do not already have a black pit.


What's the FL threshold that HDR is actually being experienced as intended? From everything I'm reading the vast majority of projectors just don't have enough light to get the desired image that HDR can provide.
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Is there a consensus on the best UHD player to pair with the 5040?


I'm waiting on the Oppo, fwiw
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Is there a consensus on the best UHD player to pair with the 5040?


I think right now the Philips 4K UhD bluray player.

For streaming the roku 4 is my choice. But new ones are out in 2 weeks with support for HDR.
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Will this be a big upgrade coming from the Sony-VW95?
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What's the FL threshold that HDR is actually being experienced as intended? From everything I'm reading the vast majority of projectors just don't have enough light to get the desired image that HDR can provide.
It is not being fully experienced by any HT projector owner as of right now and it may never work as fully intended. Have seen many JVC and Sony owners that are happy with HDR. Several more would be happy with it if JVC allowed the dynamic iris to work, even if it was only on for fades to black.
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Is there a consensus on the best UHD player to pair with the 5040?
Right now the best UHD player is the Panny, but I expect the Oppo to be very good, if not better and the oppo will be cheaper. Preorders are being taken for oppo right now.
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