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The 110" Black Diamond screen is actually listed for less than what I paid on the website right now without negotiating the price.

I have no problem giving the JVC it's due and have done so whenever a comparison comes up.

Why can't you just accept that the Epson produces a very good picture as well?

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Just ordered my 5040 and I'm now looking at what HDMI cables to buy. Does anyone have any good recommendations for a 12-15 ft cable that have had success getting HDR to work with?

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Nope. I see significant strobe on high contrast areas with fast movement IN 2D MODE. It only happens with 24p feeds.
I tested more on this last night. I would pause the movie when I noticed it and can still see a bit of flicker with it paused. But when I switched from "eco" lamp to "medium" lamp mode, it seemed to have gone away. Have you tried this? Also, can you give me an example of a movie where flicker happens? Last night I tried Transformers: Age of Extinction. I want to test it out more.

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The Epson 5040UB is Absolutely the BEST in it's *class! (in the USA based on MSRP)
(just not in Canada, were the RS400/X550 is $500 cheaper and a much better choice)

It is the clear Winner among ALL the other 4(faux)K pixel shifting Projectors below *$2999 MSRP
And you actually have much different RS500 with MSRP *$6999
that you keep posting pictures of to compare to 5040..

So you both are even..
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I tested more on this last night. I would pause the movie when I noticed it and can still see a bit of flicker with it paused. But when I switched from "eco" lamp to "medium" lamp mode, it seemed to have gone away. Have you tried this? Also, can you give me an example of a movie where flicker happens? Last night I tried Transformers: Age of Extinction. I want to test it out more.

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I may be wrong, but that is the classic indication of arc getting settled.
That flickr should go away after few hours of usage.
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Yeah my flicker strobe is different. Not there when I pause. It is a motion problem. I will post exact scene in Tansformers 1 where it happens so everyone can verify. Frankly it happened all over the place in Captain America Civil War. It happens under ANY settings that I have tried, and this is via PS3 and also from my Roku 4 with 24p content.

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Yeah my flicker strobe is different. Not there when I pause. It is a motion problem. I will post exact scene in Tansformers 1 where it happens so everyone can verify. Frankly it happened all over the place in Captain America Civil War. It happens under ANY settings that I have tried, and this is via PS3 and also from my Roku 4 with 24p content.
What projector are you talking about?

Ive watched all of 15 minutes of Civil war because its to fast paced on my jvc. I dont even think a 144hz Gsync monitor would help.
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I don't have the blacked out killer setup that PioManiac has (my room is anything but ideal) and I haven't calibrated my 5040 so these pics are box stock but they can give you an idea:

Here are some standard 1080p pics taken during the day with ambient light coming from all over.
Out of the box Bright Cinema mode without any calibration or adjustments:







Some other pics from YouTube 4K streaming:








A couple of standard 1080p pics with out of the box settings and some ambient light:




Samsung K8500 playing 4K without HDR

Epson 5040 not calibrated

Bright Cinema mode with no adjustments

Living room with some ambient light

Photos taken with an iPhone 6 Plus

Kelvin1000, thanks so much for your expansive response.

This is exactly the kind of thing that I was after.

Comparing your pics with those of PioManiac may (or may not...) be enough for me to get off the fence between the RS400 and the 5040ub.

I know that he is running a step above the RS400, but I believe that the image quality between the RS400 and the RS500 would be very similar.

At any rate, it provides the closest thing to a comparison between the Epson and JVC lines that I have seen.

Thanks again!
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Kelvin1000, thanks so much for your expansive response.



This is exactly the kind of thing that I was after.



Comparing your pics with those of PioManiac may (or may not...) be enough for me to get off the fence between the RS400 and the 5040ub.



I know that he is running a step above the RS400, but I believe that the image quality between the RS400 and the RS500 would be very similar.



At any rate, it provides the closest thing to a comparison between the Epson and JVC lines that I have seen.



Thanks again!


Happy to help!

There is a pretty good comparison on ProjectorReviews.com between these two projectors which might be helpful to you if you haven read it yet.

I have also posted a lot of info about my viewing experience with both projectors which I sampled simultaneously for 3 weeks.

I was once in your predicament so I know the "struggle" :-)

Let me know if there is anything else I can do to help you.


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And you actually have much different RS500 with MSRP *$6999
that you keep posting pictures of to compare to 5040..

So you both are even..
I've never posted any JVC screens shots in this thread, not one.
The screen shots that were posted in the other "non-official" Epson 5040 thread,
I apologized for and I deleted every one of them 4 days ago.

I believe the only ones that might remain are if someone quoted me
and chose to include the pics in the quote.

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For anyone still on the fence... I just went into my local Best Buy and asked if they had the 5040. The salesman checked and said no stores have them yet, but he can order it for me. I asked him if there's a way to get a discount. He asked me what I wanted to pay for it. I told him $2500. He talked to his manager and said the lowest the computer will let him do is $2699, and any lower would have be for employees only. I asked if he could buy it for me and I'd pay him back. He laughed and said he wish he could. Then I asked about 0% financing and he said it would be 24 months with my Best Buy credit card. I asked about getting 36 months and he got that pushed through. I could have chosen the 5% back in rewards with regular financing and saved even more. There's also a promotion right now where if you apply for the Best Buy credit card, you'll get 10% back in rewards on your first purchase. Anyway, hopefully this can help. Oh, and I asked him if I refer my uncle to him, would my uncle be able to get the same deal? He said it should be no problem.

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Here in Australia we have the 9300. Is that the same as the 6040?

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For anyone still on the fence... I just went into my local Best Buy and asked if they had the 5040. The salesman checked and said no stores have them yet, but he can order it for me. I asked him if there's a way to get a discount. He asked me what I wanted to pay for it. I told him $2500. He talked to his manager and said the lowest the computer will let him do is $2699, and any lower would have be for employees only. I asked if he could buy it for me and I'd pay him back. He laughed and said he wish he could. Then I asked about 0% financing and he said it would be 24 months with my Best Buy credit card. I asked about getting 36 months and he got that pushed through. I could have chosen the 5% back in rewards with regular financing and saved even more. There's also a promotion right now where if you apply for the Best Buy credit card, you'll get 10% back in rewards on your first purchase. Anyway, hopefully this can help. Oh, and I asked him if I refer my uncle to him, would my uncle be able to get the same deal? He said it should be no problem.

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For anyone still on the fence... I just went into my local Best Buy and asked if they had the 5040. The salesman checked and said no stores have them yet, but he can order it for me. I asked him if there's a way to get a discount. He asked me what I wanted to pay for it. I told him $2500. He talked to his manager and said the lowest the computer will let him do is $2699, and any lower would have be for employees only. I asked if he could buy it for me and I'd pay him back. He laughed and said he wish he could. Then I asked about 0% financing and he said it would be 24 months with my Best Buy credit card. I asked about getting 36 months and he got that pushed through. I could have chosen the 5% back in rewards with regular financing and saved even more. There's also a promotion right now where if you apply for the Best Buy credit card, you'll get 10% back in rewards on your first purchase. Anyway, hopefully this can help. Oh, and I asked him if I refer my uncle to him, would my uncle be able to get the same deal? He said it should be no problem.

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Yeah. Good for you. The BB around here are not so lenient.. They want to squeeze every penny from your wallet.
Would it be possible to PM me the scan of your receipt. I can try showing that to them and see if they change their mind.
24/36 months financing would be icing on the cake.
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If you inspect the manual carefully, you will see that the UBe version has limited support for color depth in certain modes.
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Yeah. Good for you. The BB around here are not so lenient.. They want to squeeze every penny from your wallet.
Would it be possible to PM me the scan of your receipt. I can try showing that to them and see if they change their mind.
24/36 months financing would be icing on the cake.
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Dammit! When is Epson Canada going to release official pricing?! ...(
A rhetorical question, I presume, as I've never seen a direct response from any Epson entity on here ...

Did you try asking Epson Canada?
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A rhetorical question, I presume, as I've never seen a direct response from any Epson entity on here ...

Did you try asking Epson Canada?
Yes. Idiotic customer support for pre-sales can't provide me any more information than what's listed on the Epson CAD website supposedly.

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^^^ I am loving this PJ, for the performance it exhibiting for it's price point.
Only not sure of about the 18Gbps/10.2Gbps issue. I know it matters only to gaming and may be to HTPC. I don't do either.
True, gaming beyond this is beyond me. And, 4K UHD Blu-ray and streaming, bt2020, and HDR are done with the 10.2. Is 18 better? Sure. Is it necessary in this cycle? I don't think...

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True, gaming beyond this is beyond me. And, 4K UHD Blu-ray and streaming, bt2020, and HDR are done with the 10.2. Is 18 better? Sure. Is it necessary in this cycle? I don't think...

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I captured the Epson 5040UB EDID and also performed some experiments with different signals. From what I can tell, the Epson is limited to 300MHz 4Kp30 YCrCb 4:2:0 10-bit. Any attempt to feed it something higher will fail. Higher options are also marked as non-native in the EDID.

4K streaming sources need 4Kp60 4:2:0 10-bit advertised to trigger 4K HDR playback. Which requires 375MHz if I remember correctly. And so it isn't working.
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I "think" the end result is 10-Bit must be reduced to 8-Bit for a 10.2Gbps HDMI chipset






FYI, All "Current" 4K Blurays are 24p BT.2020 4:2:0 10 bit,
and even that may change in the future to a higher spec since it is not limited/regulated
....However 4:2:0 10 Bit is not a valid format for HDMI (as shown above)

So it has to be adjusted in the player, and not all players do it the same...
and not all Projectors are compatible with all formats either (10.2Gbps chip vs 18Gbps chip)


My Panasonic UB900 can playback in 4K/24p HDR/BT.2020 4:4:4/12Bit
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That's right. You can feed the Epson 5040UB a 4Kp60 RGB 8-bit signal. Easy enough to test by setting the Xbox One S to 4K output in its UI which will display properly. But that isn't sufficient to trigger 4K streaming.

I'm told the first generation 4K Fire TV will trigger it because the 4K Fire TV itself is limited to 4Kp30, so an EDID that advertises 4Kp30 4:2:0 10-bit should allow 4K streaming. But I haven't confirmed this.
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It's just bizarre.

You own the best projector probably below $15k. I would take your projector over any of the Sonys.

Period.

Every single review I've seen sings regarding projectors sings the praises of the JVC. It seems quite a few of the reviewers own or have owned a JVC. Hell most of us who opted for the Epson sing the praises of JVC.

Yet any praise of the Epson brings you out like clockwork.

I guess it doesn't matter why. You provide good information I just find the whole JVC vs Epson thing weird.

Obviously in a thread devoted to the 5040, people are going to brag and puff their chest out a bit after spending 3 big ones.

It shouldn't effect the pecking order.

There is nothing stopping me from buying either JVC or the Sony for that matter. I just choose to allocate my funds differently.

Anyway like I said despite all the JVC back and forth you provide good info.
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Did you see the posts on the "other" thread?
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OK, the stupendous picture quality (including things other than the absolute best native contrast) and the gaming performance, as well as price thrown in, had just barely won me over with the overall package that is the Epson 5040ub. I guess I'm not getting it all.

The Epson does 4K (faux-K), 2020, and HDR... Right? Advertised to do so, etc...with UHD Blu-ray in mind, what would the JVC, with 18gbps, be capable of passing that this can't, aside from supercalafragelisticespidaliotious contrast?

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For anyone still on the fence... I just went into my local Best Buy and asked if they had the 5040. The salesman checked and said no stores have them yet, but he can order it for me. I asked him if there's a way to get a discount. He asked me what I wanted to pay for it. I told him $2500. He talked to his manager and said the lowest the computer will let him do is $2699, and any lower would have be for employees only. I asked if he could buy it for me and I'd pay him back. He laughed and said he wish he could. Then I asked about 0% financing and he said it would be 24 months with my Best Buy credit card. I asked about getting 36 months and he got that pushed through. I could have chosen the 5% back in rewards with regular financing and saved even more. There's also a promotion right now where if you apply for the Best Buy credit card, you'll get 10% back in rewards on your first purchase. Anyway, hopefully this can help. Oh, and I asked him if I refer my uncle to him, would my uncle be able to get the same deal? He said it should be no problem.

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BB's protection plan for 2 years is $350 and they will do a replacement bulb for you. I asked them if I get to keep the old bulb and they told me, "Yes". So, it might be worth it to check into this as well.
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What projector are you talking about?

Ive watched all of 15 minutes of Civil war because its to fast paced on my jvc. I dont even think a 144hz Gsync monitor would help.
I watched it in the theater on a very nice Barco projector. It was too fast there as well. Too many zoomed shots on fast action sequences where wide angles would have been better.
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Dammit! When is Epson Canada going to release official pricing?! I want to finance too through BB Canada. Sheesh...at this rate I'm going to miss the NHL season opening!!

I know a fellow who works at BB in Canada who is also interested in the 5040. He was told that they will not be carrying the 5040 this year!


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I tested more on this last night. I would pause the movie when I noticed it and can still see a bit of flicker with it paused. But when I switched from "eco" lamp to "medium" lamp mode, it seemed to have gone away. Have you tried this? Also, can you give me an example of a movie where flicker happens? Last night I tried Transformers: Age of Extinction. I want to test it out more.

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Ok here we go. I would like others to test this and comment on whether you notice the strobing. Even 5030 owners if possible. I see this in every bluray, this is one example only.

Transformers 1 Bluray. Player set to 24p. Epson set to any mode really.
Go to time 47:53. You will see Sam in bed. Then the scene pans to the left. Look at the bright window flicker and strobe wildly.



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For anyone still on the fence... I just went into my local Best Buy and asked if they had the 5040. The salesman checked and said no stores have them yet, but he can order it for me. I asked him if there's a way to get a discount. He asked me what I wanted to pay for it. I told him $2500. He talked to his manager and said the lowest the computer will let him do is $2699, and any lower would have be for employees only. I asked if he could buy it for me and I'd pay him back. He laughed and said he wish he could. Then I asked about 0% financing and he said it would be 24 months with my Best Buy credit card. I asked about getting 36 months and he got that pushed through. I could have chosen the 5% back in rewards with regular financing and saved even more. There's also a promotion right now where if you apply for the Best Buy credit card, you'll get 10% back in rewards on your first purchase. Anyway, hopefully this can help. Oh, and I asked him if I refer my uncle to him, would my uncle be able to get the same deal? He said it should be no problem.

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what best buy and who did you speak with?
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OK, the stupendous picture quality (including things other than the absolute best native contrast) and the gaming performance, as well as price thrown in, had just barely won me over with the overall package that is the Epson 5040ub. I guess I'm not getting it all.

The Epson does 4K (faux-K), 2020, and HDR... Right? Advertised to do so, etc...with UHD Blu-ray in mind, what would the JVC, with 18gbps, be capable of passing that this can't, aside from supercalafragelisticespidaliotious contrast?

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Did you not read the pertinent information in the posts provided,
or just not comprehend what information was being exchanged?

People want to know what the're buying and what the capabilities/limitations are.
It has nothing to do with JVC, So how about we leave that out of the discussion?
..I thought that's what everyone here wanted?

The 10Gbps chip set has limitations, enough so that some have dismissed the 5040UB,
Just because gaming or streaming 4K/HDR doesn't matter to you, won't stop the knowledge from being shared and there are those for whom it DOES matter.

I'm willing to discuss these issues like an adult if you are.
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what best buy and who did you speak with?
I went to the one in Duarte, near Los Angeles. Are you near there?

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