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Yes OrcusVaruna, I pretty much use the same settings, except I utilize Auto (Bright) for Dynamic Range and Medium Lamp, with f/w 1.11, instead of SDR. Of course I have a HDFury Linker between my Marantz SR7011 and Epson 6040, that may be the difference. However, I am uncertain if that is a factor in the equation.

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[vent] I'm so mad. "Someone in the warehouse messed up", and now the replacement isn't shipping until today, with Monday delivery. Supposedly. I still haven't received shipping info from FedEx. I have been told by four people at Epson now that "they don't give refunds", but I filed an incident report, including my original receipt, so we'll see where that goes. They also refuse to make available the contents of my year-long log of complaints and replacements. When I mentioned the NC attorney general, she went into a canned response and said if I brought legal threats, our conversation was over. I made no threat whatsoever, I only asked how I could get the information to the AG.

I am so done with Epson, I want to throw the projector and even the Epson printer down the gully out back.[/vent]

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[vent] I'm so mad. "Someone in the warehouse messed up", and now the replacement isn't shipping until today, with Monday delivery. Supposedly. I still haven't received shipping info from FedEx. I have been told by four people at Epson now that "they don't give refunds", but I filed an incident report, including my original receipt, so we'll see where that goes. They also refuse to make available the contents of my year-long log of complaints and replacements. When I mentioned the NC attorney general, she went into a canned response and said if I brought legal threats, our conversation was over. I made no threat whatsoever, I only asked how I could get the information to the AG.

I am so done with Epson, I want to throw the projector and even the Epson printer down the gully out back.[/vent]

Pending spousal approval, I may have a new 6040UB for sale with accessories Monday night.
That's pretty bad.

I hope you find a good alternative that suits your needs.

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Surely those settings from April 2017, don't hold anymore after the December 2017 v1.11 firmware update. Or do they? Personally, I would think not.
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Okay here’s some screenshots I color balanced and exposed the best I could to give everyone an idea of what kind of image im getting after about 12 hrs of tinkering with the hdr settings. But I’ll live with the constant settings changes for the quality of the image I’m pulling now. I would hope the next projector I buy 3-5 years down the road will have these issues resolved.

As an aside this projector is ridiculously finicky with hdr. Unlike my Vizio tv where hdr looks pretty much excellent regardless of the source, this requires you to mess with the gamma, contrast, and brightness settings for each source. In essence what looks great for 4K Blu-ray, is way underexposed for Netflix, and is overexposed for gaming. Also, just got my linker yesterday and I must say it’s a magical little device, virtually no lag and allows me to game away with my Xbox one x in HDR which is probably the best thing to happen to gaming since hd graphics.

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Lens position for different sources

Is is normal to have to change the lens position settings (mainly shift) for different sources? I'm having to do that. One set of positions for Directv, another for Oppo 203 4K blu-ray, another for AppleTV. I save them to a memory slot and recall when changing sources, but I've never had to do this with my previous projectors. Everything is routed through a Yamaha 2060 receiver. I have the 5040ube and am using the wireless connection.

Also, has anyone found discrete remote control codes for lens memory slots? It would be nice to automate the resetting of lens position when changing sources. I'm using a URC remote.

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Okay here’s some screenshots I color balanced and exposed the best I could to give everyone an idea of what kind of image im getting after about 12 hrs of tinkering with the hdr settings. But I’ll live with the constant settings changes for the quality of the image I’m pulling now. I would hope the next projector I buy 3-5 years down the road will have these issues resolved.

As an aside this projector is ridiculously finicky with hdr. Unlike my Vizio tv where hdr looks pretty much excellent regardless of the source, this requires you to mess with the gamma, contrast, and brightness settings for each source. In essence what looks great for 4K Blu-ray, is way underexposed for Netflix, and is overexposed for gaming. Also, just got my linker yesterday and I must say it’s a magical little device, virtually no lag and allows me to game away with my Xbox one x in HDR which is probably the best thing to happen to gaming since hd graphics.

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Those HDR shots are gorgeous.
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Those HDR shots are gorgeous.
The 4K UHD pics are cropped much tighter than the Bluray pics so it really isn't a fair comparison, not sure why they were cropped differently if trying to give an even comparison.
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Newb question; Do I need the HDFury if I only watching movies on my 5040 run through a Denon 7200WA from Oppo 203?
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The 4K UHD pics are cropped much tighter than the Bluray pics so it really isn't a fair comparison, not sure why they were cropped differently if trying to give an even comparison.


They were cropped differently due to the color brightness blowing out the photos from my seating so when I took the hdr pics I had to get a few steps closer to the screen. I’ll try to retake them later at the same distance. But really only the light saber fight scene was giving me the issue the other two shots are from the same distance


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Those HDR shots are gorgeous.


Thanks! Once you hit upon some good settings this projector outputs a seriously awesome hdr picture. My alr screen really gives specular highlights some pop as well.


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Newb question; Do I need the HDFury if I only watching movies on my 5040 run through a Denon 7200WA from Oppo 203?
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To my knowledge the linker is only necessary for converting 10bit hdr 60hz to 8bit hdr 60hz. I am using a linker with my Xbox one x so I can game in hdr as the 5040 will only accept 8bit hdr at 60hz


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It looks like you’re using Dave Harper’s settings for SDR bt2020, but he uses Dig Cinema. I see you’re using Bright Cinema which doesn’t take advantage of of the P3 filter. Just curious why? If it’s because Dig Cin isn’t bright enough have you tried normal HDR on Bright Cinema using Auto Bright with normal brightness & contrast settings?


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It looks like you’re using Dave Harper’s settings for SDR bt2020, but he uses Dig Cinema. I see you’re using Bright Cinema which doesn’t take advantage of of the P3 filter. Just curious why? If it’s because Dig Cin isn’t bright enough have you tried normal HDR on Bright Cinema using Auto Bright with normal brightness & contrast settings?


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I have actually already done that, the settings I posted earlier just got me started. I have been messing around with various settings for the past two days and the Star Wars pictures I posted earlier are actually completely different settings using the hdr1/auto bright dynamic range setting. Once I lock in those settings where I want them to be I’ll share them. Initially my struggle was trying to fit tuning this projector to the couple of clicks here and there I am used to. I have never had to set gamma points, hues, brightness, contrast, etc at their upper and lower limits to achieve the results I’m after.

As for the color filter the projector is in my living room which unfortunately makes those modes too dim for my environment. I see the potential though when I put on say digital cinema. Almost makes me want to save up for a black diamond or dark star screen. I feel like the color filter would be really fun with one of those.


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I have actually already done that, the settings I posted earlier just got me started. I have been messing around with various settings for the past two days and the Star Wars pictures I posted earlier are actually completely different settings using the hdr1/auto bright dynamic range setting. Once I lock in those settings where I want them to be I’ll share them. Initially my struggle was trying to fit tuning this projector to the couple of clicks here and there I am used to. I have never had to set gamma points, hues, brightness, contrast, etc at their upper and lower limits to achieve the results I’m after.

As for the color filter the projector is in my living room which unfortunately makes those modes too dim for my environment. I see the potential though when I put on say digital cinema. Almost makes me want to save up for a black diamond or dark star screen. I feel like the color filter would be really fun with one of those.


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Gotcha. I have presets for both Dig Cin and Bright Cin for HDR and go back and forth . I probably use the bright cinema more after Epson brightened up their settings with the Auto Bright option, and don’t really see much difference in the colors compared to Dig Cin with the filter.


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Surely those settings from April 2017, don't hold anymore after the December 2017 v1.11 firmware update. Or do they? Personally, I would think not.
All the settings hold as long as you put the dynamic range setting (signal --> advanced --> dynamic range) to Auto or HDR2. If you put this setting to Auto (Bright) or HDR1 then any HDR calibrations or settings will not hold. So if you like your settings, just set it to Auto and nothing will change.

For those using HarperVision the update doesn't affect anything because it uses the SDR dynamic range setting and not the HDR settings.
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What's this update you speak of? Perhaps it's time I search the forum as I am still running v1.05

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The 4K UHD pics are cropped much tighter than the Bluray pics so it really isn't a fair comparison, not sure why they were cropped differently if trying to give an even comparison.

I really can’t get a good shot of this scene without zooming In. The photo is coming out a bit dim and under saturated.





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Where do you download the latest firmware from? I can't find it.

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I read somewhere that this update affects HDR. Someone said to use Auto Brightness. Where in the settings is this? I can't find it in the menu.

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Thank you. Can't believe they made it so difficult to find.

I read somewhere that this update affects HDR. Someone said to use Auto Brightness. Where in the settings is this? I can't find it in the menu.


In the menu go to the signal tab and select dynamic range. Select auto bright and you will notice a stark lightening of the projectors gamma. You will have to adjust gamma point 2, brightness, and contrast to adjust the picture but it’s worth the tinkering. The method I found best is to set dark shadow detail with brightness, followed by lowering gamma point 2 to 1 click above where shadow detail begins to crush, then scale contrast back until you can see all white detail.

Alternatively, here are the settings I have settled on with autobright for 4K Blu-ray, I am loving them so feel free to give them a shot. FYI I am using an ALR screen which applies a pretty strong red and green push to the image so you will likely have to mess with color temperature if you decide to give them a shot.



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In the menu go to the signal tab and select dynamic range. Select auto bright and you will notice a stark lightening of the projectors gamma. You will have to adjust gamma point 2, brightness, and contrast to adjust the picture but it’s worth the tinkering. The method I found best is to set dark shadow detail with brightness, followed by lowering gamma point 2 to 1 click above where shadow detail begins to crush, then scale contrast back until you can see all white detail.

Alternatively, here are the settings I have settled on with autobright for 4K Blu-ray, I am loving them so feel free to give them a shot. FYI I am using an ALR screen which applies a pretty strong red and green push to the image so you will likely have to mess with color temperature if you decide to give them a shot.



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Can you post your Gamma Customized numbers, the graph doesn't really help. Great job!
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Okay so can anybody tell me if that have experienced a green dot coming from the projector it's in the right corner close at the top on my screen.
You can look in the lens and see a small green dot, anybody have any idea?
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Can you post your Gamma Customized numbers, the graph doesn't really help. Great job!


Thank you and here are the different settings I came up with 4K Blu, 4K 60hz HDR Gaming, HDR Netflix, and SDR Content. Let me know how they work for you!




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I have a problem where in certain scenes, mostly darker ones skin tones are heavily red.

Most of the time it looks great but in scene's were the majority of the scene is dark the faces are heavily red shifted.

I haven't changed a setting in probably 10 months and just started to notice this. Content does not matter, BD, Netflix, Amazon, etc.
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I have a problem where in certain scenes, mostly darker ones skin tones are heavily red.

Most of the time it looks great but in scene's were the majority of the scene is dark the faces are heavily red shifted.

I haven't changed a setting in probably 10 months and just started to notice this. Content does not matter, BD, Netflix, Amazon, etc.
^+1. Yes I have noticed that as well Eric C. I need to determine if it's related to the HDFURY Linker, F/W 1.11 or both. Thoughts anyone?

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For the UHD and BD you're spot on with what I use, with just a few differences.

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Thank you for posting these. I have an ALR screen as well and just updated to v1.11 firmware. I tried the Harpervision Bright Cinema HDR settings on The Last Jedi UHD and they did NOT look right, even though they looked great last night on the GotG2 UHD Blu-Ray (on f/w v1.09). I think the firmware update might have changed the behavior of some settings. I will give these a go later, thanks again for sharing?

Out of curiosity, did you notice any film grain/mpeg noise on The Last Jedi UHD? Might just have been settings change ...

ETA: I did 'recalibrate' (using the xbox calibration patterns in the settings) and then set up HDR and it looked significantly better. Even left gamma at 0, which seems to have previously been unheard of for HDR.

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Thank you for posting these. I have an ALR screen as well and just updated to v1.11 firmware. I tried the Harpervision Bright Cinema HDR settings on The Last Jedi UHD and they did NOT look right, even though they looked great last night on the GotG2 UHD Blu-Ray (on f/w v1.09). I think the firmware update might have changed the behavior of some settings. I will give these a go later, thanks again for sharing?



Out of curiosity, did you notice any film grain/mpeg noise on The Last Jedi UHD? Might just have been settings change ...



ETA: I did 'recalibrate' (using the xbox calibration patterns in the settings) and then set up HDR and it looked significantly better. Even left gamma at 0, which seems to have previously been unheard of for HDR.


The last Jedi is just a very grainy and noisy movie. I think it is inherent to Johnson’s stylized post production image as the uhd Blu-ray presentation mimics the Dolby Cinema presentation of the movie I saw theatrically.


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