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I’m surprised Epson has not put out a bulletin. I understand that here at avs we represent a small fraction on units but there has to be something wrong with these supplies. With less than 100 hours on mine due to moving and now working on dedicated theater I’m coming up in January on my 2 year warranty. If it fails after I will be pissed if they don’t fix it.

Can we buy an alternative power supply and install ourselves?
There is, and there is a whole thread about it. https://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-di...lure-rate.html With 80 units, there's a 33% failure rate, which is significant. I suppose it's not enough for a large company like Epson to do anything about it, but at least I hope that units being made by now come with this issue fixed.
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There is, and there is a whole thread about it. https://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-di...lure-rate.html With 80 units, there's a 33% failure rate, which is significant. I suppose it's not enough for a large company like Epson to do anything about it, but at least I hope that units being made by now come with this issue fixed.

A poll like that is going to have a significant bias to it. If you look at amazon reviews you will be a far more accurate picture because it's not a thread dedicated to power supply issues. Someone in that thread looked at it and if I remember correctly the failure rate was in the single digits.



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A poll like that is going to have a significant bias to it. If you look at amazon reviews you will be a far more accurate picture because it's not a thread dedicated to power supply issues. Someone in that thread looked at it and if I remember correctly the failure rate was in the single digits.



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Yes, there's that: people affected by the issue are more likely to go look for such a thread. But I wouldn't trust reviews on Amazon for this particular matter, as many buyers are eager to leave positive reviews of products they've recently bought. Still, there's a 10% of users reporting this issue on Amazon, and that's still too much.
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Yes, there's that: people affected by the issue are more likely to go look for such a thread. But I wouldn't trust reviews on Amazon for this particular matter, as many buyers are eager to leave positive reviews of products they've recently bought. Still, there's a 10% of users reporting this issue on Amazon, and that's still too much.

I agree that amazon is also biased (but less so) in that most studies have shown that people are more likely to leave negative reviews vs. positive reviews by a factor of 2 or 3. So that would reduce the 10% to 3.33% to 5%.

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Pretty simple question I'm sure it's been asked in this thread, I have a Epson 5030 in dedicated dark media room Should I upgrade to 5040 I have a Shield 4k and regular Xbox One for streaming and used Plex for watching movies?
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There is, and there is a whole thread about it. https://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-di...lure-rate.html With 80 units, there's a 33% failure rate, which is significant. I suppose it's not enough for a large company like Epson to do anything about it, but at least I hope that units being made by now come with this issue fixed.
Epson put out a bulletin about the issue in that thread?

I know that thread is there but I’m asking why the heck have they not addressed it properly.
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Epson put out a bulletin about the issue in that thread?

I know that thread is there but I’m asking why the heck have they not addressed it properly.
Sorry, I've misunderstood you.
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Pretty simple question I'm sure it's been asked in this thread, I have a Epson 5030 in dedicated dark media room Should I upgrade to 5040 I have a Shield 4k and regular Xbox One for streaming and used Plex for watching movies?
If you can, wait for the next one. 5040 is a great projector, but has been out for a while now. The substitute should be around the corner and probably will address the 10.2GB limitation and hopefully will get rid of the color filter that steals a lot of lumens to achieve the REC2020 standard.

If the 5030 is working properly, I would wait for the next one.

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If you can, wait for the next one. 5040 is a great projector, but has been out for a while now. The substitute should be around the corner and probably will address the 10.2GB limitation and hopefully will get rid of the color filter that steals a lot of lumens to achieve the REC2020 standard.



If the 5030 is working properly, I would wait for the next one.



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Agreed I expect the next one to have 18gbps and achieve 2020 without the filter like jvc but we shall see. The 5040 is so good that the next upgrade may only address 18gbps and some internal components specifically the power supply.


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Agreed I expect the next one to have 18gbps and achieve 2020 without the filter like jvc but we shall see. The 5040 is so good that the next upgrade may only address 18gbps and some internal components specifically the power supply.


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So are you going to trade up OV? I will certainly miss you , unless of course Epson allows us to trade-in, based on the 5040/6040 power issues.

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I’m surprised Epson has not put out a bulletin. I understand that here at avs we represent a small fraction on units but there has to be something wrong with these supplies. With less than 100 hours on mine due to moving and now working on dedicated theater I’m coming up in January on my 2 year warranty. If it fails after I will be pissed if they don’t fix it.



Can we buy an alternative power supply and install ourselves?


Like others have said it’s not just the power supply. From my many hours of screaming at epson customer service and politely talking to some engineers the whole electrical system has issues mainly stemming from a bad run of capacitors that were installed in nearly a years worth of units. That has since been corrected but somehow a batch of the bad ones made it back into the refurbished projectors for a few months leading to many of us having multiple returns for the power supply. I received my newest one at the end of March and I’m still going strong now. I do have some panel irregularities on this one but it’s not bad enough for me to return it and play roulette again lol


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Not until this one dies or until we get true 4K one with a 5000 lumen led or laser light source! The image this one puts out is plenty good enough for me lol.


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I concur sir...just checking.
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Like others have said it’s not just the power supply. From my many hours of screaming at epson customer service and politely talking to some engineers the whole electrical system has issues mainly stemming from a bad run of capacitors that were installed in nearly a years worth of units. That has since been corrected but somehow a batch of the bad ones made it back into the refurbished projectors for a few months leading to many of us having multiple returns for the power supply. I received my newest one at the end of March and I’m still going strong now. I do have some panel irregularities on this one but it’s not bad enough for me to return it and play roulette again lol


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Than you, do we have a date range of manufactured units?
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What ceiling mounts are you guys using? Looking for something a little better than my $30 mount.
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Here you go...more than a little bit better...the best!

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-dig...l#post56139048
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They wouldn't want to reveal it because then those owners would probably go after Epson together (e.g., class action lawsuit).
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They wouldn't want to reveal it because then those owners would probably go after Epson together (e.g., class action lawsuit).

Either an extended warranty or a reduced entry price to the next model would be very welcome.


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Or both...

Acknowledgement and transparency would be a good start...followed by an extended warranty much like Onkyo’s HDMI failure program would reap huge benefits in restoring and promoting consumer confidence in the product and organization...as well as ensuring potential sales.
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Morning all,

Been following the forum since the beginning of the year as I was planning to get the 5040UB. I finally did so, thanks to all the great info posted, in April. My Receiver and Sources (routed thru it) are still HD (PS3, FIOS, & Onkyo TX-SR707) but I just purchased a Denon 4k Receiver. I ran a new 50' 4k HDR active cable, tested it from the PS3 beforehand and it worked, even 3d. I am dying to swap out the receiver but wanted to do so only after getting confirmation from you.

I don't have any 4k sources, waiting for the new Panasonic UB820 4k player. I'd like to enjoy some 3d content from my PS3, in the meantime, after I swap out the receivers. Do I simply plug the new 4k cable into HDMI1 (all HD sources thru my receiver)? Can I remove my old HDMI cable? Do I need to run the new 4k cable into HDMI2, since I have no true 4k? I just don't want to tear out the old run, if I still need it in this transition period. Thanks!!
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Morning all,

Been following the forum since the beginning of the year as I was planning to get the 5040UB. I finally did so, thanks to all the great info posted, in April. My Receiver and Sources (routed thru it) are still HD (PS3, FIOS, & Onkyo TX-SR707) but I just purchased a Denon 4k Receiver. I ran a new 50' 4k HDR active cable, tested it from the PS3 beforehand and it worked, even 3d. I am dying to swap out the receiver but wanted to do so only after getting confirmation from you.

I don't have any 4k sources, waiting for the new Panasonic UB820 4k player. I'd like to enjoy some 3d content from my PS3, in the meantime, after I swap out the receivers. Do I simply plug the new 4k cable into HDMI1 (all HD sources thru my receiver)? Can I remove my old HDMI cable? Do I need to run the new 4k cable into HDMI2, since I have no true 4k? I just don't want to tear out the old run, if I still need it in this transition period. Thanks!!
You can go from the AVR into HDMI1 no problem. And you can use your old cable to fish the new one through the walls/ceiling. A little electrical tape and you're good to go.
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You can go from the AVR into HDMI1 no problem. And you can use your old cable to fish the new one through the walls/ceiling. A little electrical tape and you're good to go.
Thanks, that's what I thought but; I started second guessing myself and knew if I wanted to be sure I should throw it out at the forum. Looking forward to some 3d content and eventually 4k HDR.

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Here you go...more than a little bit better...the best!

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Thank you. I’ll check it out.
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Here you go...more than a little bit better...the best!

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-di...l#post56139048
I concur, this came with my 6040 and it's definitely the best I've ever owned, built like a tank. Make sure you mount into the studs, I would not recommend anchor bolts.

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Now that the prices have come a little out of the stratosphere I recently bought the 5040ub from BB for about $2200, and with a couple hundred in CC bonus cash back it was even cheaper. This is my first projector. After I bought it a friend was telling me about BenQ having "true" 4K at a lower price point now, but when I look at the features and image quality I'm not sorry about my decision. Now I don't have a dedicated theater room or space, and this thing will not be mounted. I bought a cheap (like <$100) Chinese 120" screen on a flimsy tripod (white with black backing) that I setup in front of my TV, split the audio into my old soundbar/sub (behind the screen) and setup the 5040 on a projector stand. This way I can setup and tear down "movie night" rather quickly. As it turns out the Epson is rather a bulky projector for this type of usage, but at the same time the remote-control lens shift, zoom and focus features are absolutely invaluable if you're going to do it this way, because it needs tweaking every single time. It was a bit tricky finding a laptop/projector stand with a surface large enough to support this projector. The one I did find has a thick but plastic table top, so it actually bows slightly at the corners under the sheer weight of this projector. Its not a permanent fixture though so I don't worry too much about it, but I wonder if there is a truly good stand for this projector out there.


I admit to knowing little or having much interest in tweaking the picture settings much, and just stick to the preset modes, but I am more than pleased. The picture, the color, the brightness on this thing are absolutely gorgeous. It turns my living room into a movie theater. I've never tried 4k and don't really have any 4k devices or content, but HD looks wonderful and even good quality DVD and SD look great, if a bit softer. The projector itself is plenty quiet.


My 1080p LCD TV is rather old, still working great and I'm happy with it, but it pre-dates the whole 3D thing, so I never got into that. I also have an Xbox but never bought a proper blu-ray player. But I was recently given a new LG 4k UHD 3D bluray player, very basic dumb disc player. I don't have any 4k discs but decided to get some glasses and try 3D. I found some cheap $20 RF glasses online and wasn't expecting much, but tried it out with the 3D Rarities bluray. I really didn't expect much, but I was kind of wowed by it. This is the best 3D experience I've ever seen. How can 3D in theaters be so crappy and this consumer-grade projector be so good? I didn't have to squint, blink, refocus, cross my eyes, or struggle to see the depth and 3D effect, no blurring, image still bright enough, you just look through the glasses (which paired super easy) and you see stereo vision, the way it should be. 3D is still a gimmick, but it could be fun on occasion. I didn't even try tweaking it, I just put a 3D disc in and played it. The Epson with the quality of the 3D picture on a large projector screen makes it something actually worthwhile, whereas 3D on a much smaller TV set of almost any reasonably available size just doesn't seem like it would cut it. Wearing glasses to watch 3D on a little 50-60" TV from across the room just seems like it would be kinda silly to me, which is probably why it never really took off and is slowly dying, but with the larger projector screen it really works.


So as amazing as the 3D quality is I then decided to try the 2D-to-3D conversion on some of my other content. I remember seeing this feature years ago in old versions of PowerDVD and hearing that it actually kind of worked, although again I didn't expect much. Well in Epson's case I don't know why they bothered. I tried it with several types of content, and I tweaked the 3D depth and changing the setting from Low-Med-High, etc. Nothing I did would introduce any discernable depth into any of the images I looked at. Maybe I'm missing something, but all it seems to do is force you to use 3D glasses to see the same old 2D content. Nothing really seems to look very 3D, other than the entire screen image maybe seems to be floating in space. Oh well, it was just a gimmick anyway.


Anyway, I'm extremely happy with this projector. I've run last year's Roku streaming stick through it (1080p I think), Xbox One, the LG 4K player, streamed some TV with Sling, Netflix, Amazon, etc. And lots of movies, HD and SD, from my NAS. Phenomenal beautiful bright picture. I don't need a projector every day but its definitely nice to have and is the best way to sit back and enjoy a film, and maybe someday I'll have a situation with a dedicated space for it. At the same time I could be very popular loading this whole kit in the truck, maybe with some cheap high wattage speakers, and taking to parties and get-togethers.
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Review from a casual user here.


Now that the prices have come a little out of the stratosphere I recently bought the 5040ub from BB for about $2200, and with a couple hundred in CC bonus cash back it was even cheaper. This is my first projector. After I bought it a friend was telling me about BenQ having "true" 4K at a lower price point now, but when I look at the features and image quality I'm not sorry about my decision. Now I don't have a dedicated theater room or space, and this thing will not be mounted. I bought a cheap (like <$100) Chinese 120" screen on a flimsy tripod (white with black backing) that I setup in front of my TV, split the audio into my old soundbar/sub (behind the screen) and setup the 5040 on a projector stand. This way I can setup and tear down "movie night" rather quickly. As it turns out the Epson is rather a bulky projector for this type of usage, but at the same time the remote-control lens shift, zoom and focus features are absolutely invaluable if you're going to do it this way, because it needs tweaking every single time. It was a bit tricky finding a laptop/projector stand with a surface large enough to support this projector. The one I did find has a thick but plastic table top, so it actually bows slightly at the corners under the sheer weight of this projector. Its not a permanent fixture though so I don't worry too much about it, but I wonder if there is a truly good stand for this projector out there.


I admit to knowing little or having much interest in tweaking the picture settings much, and just stick to the preset modes, but I am more than pleased. The picture, the color, the brightness on this thing are absolutely gorgeous. It turns my living room into a movie theater. I've never tried 4k and don't really have any 4k devices or content, but HD looks wonderful and even good quality DVD and SD look great, if a bit softer. The projector itself is plenty quiet.


My 1080p LCD TV is rather old, still working great and I'm happy with it, but it pre-dates the whole 3D thing, so I never got into that. I also have an Xbox but never bought a proper blu-ray player. But I was recently given a new LG 4k UHD 3D bluray player, very basic dumb disc player. I don't have any 4k discs but decided to get some glasses and try 3D. I found some cheap $20 RF glasses online and wasn't expecting much, but tried it out with the 3D Rarities bluray. I really didn't expect much, but I was kind of wowed by it. This is the best 3D experience I've ever seen. How can 3D in theaters be so crappy and this consumer-grade projector be so good? I didn't have to squint, blink, refocus, cross my eyes, or struggle to see the depth and 3D effect, no blurring, image still bright enough, you just look through the glasses (which paired super easy) and you see stereo vision, the way it should be. 3D is still a gimmick, but it could be fun on occasion. I didn't even try tweaking it, I just put a 3D disc in and played it. The Epson with the quality of the 3D picture on a large projector screen makes it something actually worthwhile, whereas 3D on a much smaller TV set of almost any reasonably available size just doesn't seem like it would cut it. Wearing glasses to watch 3D on a little 50-60" TV from across the room just seems like it would be kinda silly to me, which is probably why it never really took off and is slowly dying, but with the larger projector screen it really works.


So as amazing as the 3D quality is I then decided to try the 2D-to-3D conversion on some of my other content. I remember seeing this feature years ago in old versions of PowerDVD and hearing that it actually kind of worked, although again I didn't expect much. Well in Epson's case I don't know why they bothered. I tried it with several types of content, and I tweaked the 3D depth and changing the setting from Low-Med-High, etc. Nothing I did would introduce any discernable depth into any of the images I looked at. Maybe I'm missing something, but all it seems to do is force you to use 3D glasses to see the same old 2D content. Nothing really seems to look very 3D, other than the entire screen image maybe seems to be floating in space. Oh well, it was just a gimmick anyway.


Anyway, I'm extremely happy with this projector. I've run last year's Roku streaming stick through it (1080p I think), Xbox One, the LG 4K player, streamed some TV with Sling, Netflix, Amazon, etc. And lots of movies, HD and SD, from my NAS. Phenomenal beautiful bright picture. I don't need a projector every day but its definitely nice to have and is the best way to sit back and enjoy a film, and maybe someday I'll have a situation with a dedicated space for it. At the same time I could be very popular loading this whole kit in the truck, maybe with some cheap high wattage speakers, and taking to parties and get-togethers.


Could always buy an ambient light rejecting screen and use the projector full time. There is nothing quite like watching sporting events on a giant screen. I use mine this way and will never go back to a regular tv in my main space. As you can see the picture is plenty watchable even with every light in the house on . Just some food for thought if your enjoying it so much!


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If I have Lens Iris at 0, is it then fully open or closed? I have seen calibrated settings some months ago, but have it come any new "recommended" settings since?

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what mount is that? i like that much better than the shelf mine is on now.

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what mount is that? i like that much better than the shelf mine is on now.


It’s an older version of the mount below and I made a custom mounting plate out of 1/4” plywood bolted to the mounting bracket. You just have to be sure you hit studs when you mount it as articulating 30lbs perpendicular on dry wall would end up poorly overall im very happy with how it turned out.




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