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Thanks for the settings
Why is the color temperature set at 6500 when UHD discs are mastered in DCI P3 2020 ?
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Thanks for the settings
Why is the color temperature set at 6500 when UHD discs are mastered in DCI P3 2020 ?
When I 1st saw that I was like WTF? then realized natural is only mode that does that.

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Here are the settings. This was well over 15hrs and, multiple attempts of Calibrating with i1pro and HCFR

The gamma tracks very close if not right on the 2084 gamma curve in most areas. Contrast clipped around 3400 nits.

I see highlights I have never seen before and detail is amazing. Best picture I have seen on this projector or in my room. This is not a over saturated picture with tons of bright colors, its accurate colors.

Keep in mind these settings may not look good in your room, my room and screen may be very different. The faintest light can throw off a Calibration by miles.

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Everything I took pics of except gamma as it didn't show the value.

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When I 1st saw that I was like WTF? then realized natural is only mode that does that.

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It does and that's why the settings are a bit of a contradiction

In every review i have read Natural is for Rec.709 hence the 6500 temperature

but you also have color space on Auto which would suggest that using a UHD disc the color space used will be automatically changed to Rec.2020

but hey happy to give the settings a go even though DCI P3 is being ignored
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Here are the settings. This was well over 15hrs and, multiple attempts of Calibrating with i1pro and HCFR

Thank you for this. Just put these into mine and am already blown away by the difference (mainly colours looking much more natural) and detail levels certainly appear to have gained from the new settings. Would be very interested to know what your settings are for Super Resolution and Detail Enhancement.
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For anyone interested, it's confirmed that Epson 5040/6040 replacements are incoming at IFA 2018:

http://www.passionhomecinema.fr/blog...eurs-ifa-2018/

Apparently has full 18 gbps HDMI 2.0a inputs, for gamers out there.
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For anyone interested, it's confirmed that Epson 5040/6040 replacements are incoming at IFA 2018:

http://www.passionhomecinema.fr/blog...eurs-ifa-2018/

Apparently has full 18 gbps HDMI 2.0a inputs, for gamers out there.
+1

And improved brightness for HDR performance...

The bigger and more important question is...has the source of the power supply failure been adequately and completely addressed and resolved? Epson has never been totally transparent about this. Hmmm....
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For anyone interested, it's confirmed that Epson 5040/6040 replacements are incoming at IFA 2018:

http://www.passionhomecinema.fr/blog...eurs-ifa-2018/

Apparently has full 18 gbps HDMI 2.0a inputs, for gamers out there.
That is very good news. The 5040 was a total disaster that should have immediately been recalled and discontinued. Now, we will have to wait to see if anyone suffers failures with the new model. I hope they completely redesigned the circuit board.

From the article, it appears, there is practically no change. It will still be a 4k simulation. They expect some improvements with fluidity. They expect HDR to get some needed support, including higher brightness and 4k HDR 60hz.
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That is very good news. The 5040 was a total disaster that should have immediately been recalled and discontinued. Now, we will have to wait to see if anyone suffers failures with the new model. I hope they completely redesigned the circuit board.

From the article, it appears, there is practically no change. It will still be a 4k simulation. They expect some improvements with fluidity. They expect HDR to get some needed support, including higher brightness and 4k HDR 60hz.
4k HDR 60hz means it has the highest speed chips for HDMI 2.2 and HDR

18Gbps versus 10.2Gbps
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5040/6040 doesn't do Frame Interpolation with 4K signals, right? The article implies the successor will? With an 18 GB HDMI chipset I wonder if switching sources/resolution will be painfully slow like the JVCs (multiple model years) with 18 GB HDMI chipset do.
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Thank you for this. Just put these into mine and am already blown away by the difference (mainly colours looking much more natural) and detail levels certainly appear to have gained from the new settings. Would be very interested to know what your settings are for Super Resolution and Detail Enhancement.
I will post those in a few, I hardly ever mess with that as I feel higher value introduces noise/distortion into image.

The colors I love, lot of settings I noticed over saturate them like crazy. So when you see what they are really supposed to look like your like "those are dull" when actually they are correct.

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It does and that's why the settings are a bit of a contradiction

In every review i have read Natural is for Rec.709 hence the 6500 temperature

but you also have color space on Auto which would suggest that using a UHD disc the color space used will be automatically changed to Rec.2020

but hey happy to give the settings a go even though DCI P3 is being ignored
I think your will be pleased if your room has same conditions as mine.

Natural mode is what most have the best sucess at, its the only mode that really followed the gamma curve correctly and also has good color accuracy. Especially in the greens.

I did a bright cinnema abd the colors are just out of wack, they are so far out that maxing the CMS controls wouldn't even come close to correcting it and green being the worst.

Natural was also 20nits brighter.

After see what auto bright does to gamma curve I will never use that setting (blows the blacks out and clips gamma at top). Kills white detail ect.

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Thanks Rob I look forward to messing around with these this weekend.


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I think your will be pleased if your room has same conditions as mine.

Natural mode is what most have the best sucess at, its the only mode that really followed the gamma curve correctly and also has good color accuracy. Especially in the greens.

I did a bright cinnema abd the colors are just out of wack, they are so far out that maxing the CMS controls wouldn't even come close to correcting it and green being the worst.

Natural was also 20nits brighter.

After see what auto bright does to gamma curve I will never use that setting (blows the blacks out and clips gamma at top). Kills white detail ect.

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Thanks rob
do you find that these settings work well with SDR Blu-ray's as well
As the Epson does not auto switch between HD and UHD it would be great to have a universal setting
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Thanks rob

do you find that these settings work well with SDR Blu-ray's as well

As the Epson does not auto switch between HD and UHD it would be great to have a universal setting


No the specs are so different from a calibration stand point that you need two different settings for hdr and sdr.


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4k HDR 60hz means it has the highest speed chips for HDMI 2.2 and HDR

18Gbps versus 10.2Gbps
Unless they do it like Sony and covert color to 8 bit for this. Same as the linker does. Let’s hope not.
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I believe that Epson for the first time will lose potential buyers and the advantage that they've enjoyed in this price range for a while now, there are a couple of laser-based DLP's and true 4k projectors like the Sony that will start to eat into their sales.

I think the soon to be 3 years old 5040 should have been replaced with a laser model altogether. The projector that I am buying in January of next year will not be lamp-based. It seems as if the10.2Gbps situation was intentional to lure people to buy their "upgraded" 2018 model, very disappointed.

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I believe that Epson for the first time will lose potential buyers and the advantage that they've enjoyed in this price range for a while now, there are a couple of laser-based DLP's and true 4k projectors like the Sony that will start to eat into their sales.

I think the soon to be 3 years old 5040 should have been replaced with a laser model altogether. The projector that I am buying in January of next year will not be lamp-based. It seems as if the10.2Gbps situation was intentional to lure people to buy their "upgraded" 2018 model, very disappointed.
Epson will have there 2018 lineup soon. I hope they keep going with 4k shifting and just improve contrast.

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Epson will have there 2018 lineup soon. I hope they keep going with 4k shifting and just improve contrast.

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There new line up is coming soon. So they may having something with a laser source. No one really knows yet.


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I agree with @evilmonstertruk I could care less about true 4K. e-shift throws plenty of perceived resolution on to the screen. Now a 5000 lumen laser light source I can get behind. For cost reason I would love my next upgrade to be a 1080 e-shift projector with high lumens (5000+) and laser dimming any day.


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do you find that these settings work well with SDR Blu-ray's as well
As the Epson does not auto switch between HD and UHD it would be great to have a universal setting
Gamma would be way off, also colors. Doing SDR Calibration.... Will post settings

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Quick question as I’ve found multiple answers from different calculators and want to make determine if this size screen will work.

I’m looking at 150” wide 2:35 due to my ceiling height and masking to 16:9. 5040UB will be mounted at approximately 16.4 feet. Will this be able to fill 150” 2:35 from that distance? Room will be completely black and light controlled by the way.

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Quick question as I’ve found multiple answers from different calculators and want to make determine if this size screen will work.

I’m looking at 150” wide 2:35 due to my ceiling height and masking to 16:9. 5040UB will be mounted at approximately 16.4 feet. Will this be able to fill 150” 2:35 from that distance? Room will be completely black and light controlled by the way.
You'll be fine at that distance, the 5040UB has very good zoom adjustments...

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Best Blu-Ray player for the 5040UBe

New UBe owner here and would love to know which Blu-Ray player is most recommended to get the most out of the projector.

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New UBe owner here and would love to know which Blu-Ray player is most recommended to get the most out of the projector.

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I'm very happy with my Sony X800 includes streaming apps for Netflix and Amazon Prime Video. I also can play DTS:X (MKV) and Atmos (M2TS) with the X800 with a USB drive attached. Another popular option is the Oppo 203 but doesn't include streaming apps if you're into that and costs a lot more. For me the X800 is great bang for the buck with the 5040.
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New UBe owner here and would love to know which Blu-Ray player is most recommended to get the most out of the projector.



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If you enjoy gaming at all I’d recommend the xbox one x. On the blu-ray side I have to give Microsoft credit for working hard on the Blu-ray player as it was a total disaster when released. Now though 4K playback excellent and the most recent update dramatically improved sdr blu-ray scaling if your interested in that and they are promising more updates to come on both the audio and video side. The best thing is it’s likely to be supported for updates well into the future.


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Thanks for the info, I do have an Xbox One X. So would that allow me to use HDR or is this projector dead in the water as far as HDR content? No biggie, just want to know so I don’t spin my wheels forever trying to find a solution for HDR content.

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Thanks for the info, I do have an Xbox One X. So would that allow me to use HDR or is this projector dead in the water as far as HDR content? No biggie, just want to know so I don’t spin my wheels forever trying to find a solution for HDR content.



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Works great for hdr via streaming services, 4K Blu-ray and even gaming if you get an HD Fury Linker.


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