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First two shots are Batman V. Superman when the Flash shows up visiting Bruce Wayne from the future in the Bat cave. Extremely bright highlights mastered to 4000 nits in that scene.

I honestly can't stomach digi cin. Way too dim for my liking. Have to squeeze out every bit of light I can.

I'll try it soon and report back. I have a wedding tonight. May take me a bit to get to it.
Natural is best for light output/correct colors.


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First two shots are Batman V. Superman when the Flash shows up visiting Bruce Wayne from the future in the Bat cave. Extremely bright highlights mastered to 4000 nits in that scene.



I honestly can't stomach digi cin. Way too dim for my liking. Have to squeeze out every bit of light I can.



I'll try it soon and report back. I have a wedding tonight. May take me a bit to get to it.


I agree with rob natural is the way to go and the projector still gets very close to p3 even without the filter (like close enough for it not to matter for the human eye). To compensate for reduced black levels just clamp the manual iris and clamp it more on smaller screens and less on larger ones.


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Fyi, on another forum Kris Deering recommends running SDR2020 with HDR Optimizer ON and the brightness slider somewhere between 4 and 6 for projector owners. Basically, the reasoning is to avoid tone mapping at the player and then tone mapping again at the projector.
Any chance of a link to that forum?
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Hi, long time lurker here and purchased this projector after reading forum posts by owners on AVSForum. Unfortunately I've had a run of very bad luck with it. Basically the projector died on me last night. I bought the projector from the US in January and moved back home to the UK a few months ago (due to circumstances out of my control). I emailed Epson UK and they didn't want to know and pointed me to Epson USA, from which I received a dismissive we can't help if you're outside the USA. I can't even ship it there, out of my own pocket to be fixed under Warranty.

What makes this worse is that it appears I have a well known defect with the power supply where by my $3000 projector is essentially outlasted by the bulb it came with.
here be the link to the power supply failure thread..

avsforum.com/forum/68-digital-projectors-under-3-000-usd-msrp/2956744-epson-5040-6040-9300-uk-power-supply-failure-rate.html (I can't post URLS yet)
(I wish I came about that thread before I purchased)

So I'm at a loss of how to deal with this, it took me a long time to save up for this, my first ever projector, and after the move back home I can't afford super expensive repairs. Part of me is thinking of just cutting my losses and selling it on eBay for parts. Does anyone know anybody cheap and reputable who can fix this issue and a round about price I can expect? I may fix it and sell it as a refurb if it makes financial sense. If anyone has any other ideas on how I can sort this, I'm all ears.

I know in the warranty terms and conditions I'm not covered out of the USA, but Epson sold me a faulty product with a known fault. A reputable company would take some responsibility for that, or at least reach some sort of compromise, instead I got standard corporate dismissiveness, contrary to the good things I've heard about their customer service in the past.. Epson never again.
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I’m not sure why anyone would need the tone mapping of a $500 blu-ray player. If you use @robc1976 settings or my variation of it this is completely unnecessary. Some of the older settings crushed black levels hard but we have generally figured out what we’re doing with calibrations at this point. By dropping CMS saturation down for all colors but green, manipulating gamma points 3 4 & 5, and up-saturating the overall color pallet with the general control, we can now drive very high values for middle gamma points which reveals both shadow and white detail without the subsequent crushing and clipping of our earlier attempts.


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Hi, long time lurker here and purchased this projector after reading forum posts by owners on AVSForum. Unfortunately I've had a run of very bad luck with it. Basically the projector died on me last night. I bought the projector from the US in January and moved back home to the UK a few months ago (due to circumstances out of my control). I emailed Epson UK and they didn't want to know and pointed me to Epson USA, from which I received a dismissive we can't help if you're outside the USA. I can't even ship it there, out of my own pocket to be fixed under Warranty.

What makes this worse is that it appears I have a well known defect with the power supply where by my $3000 projector is essentially outlasted by the bulb it came with.
here be the link to the power supply failure thread..

avsforum.com/forum/68-digital-projectors-under-3-000-usd-msrp/2956744-epson-5040-6040-9300-uk-power-supply-failure-rate.html (I can't post URLS yet)
(I wish I came about that thread before I purchased)

So I'm at a loss of how to deal with this, it took me a long time to save up for this, my first ever projector, and after the move back home I can't afford super expensive repairs. Part of me is thinking of just cutting my losses and selling it on eBay for parts. Does anyone know anybody cheap and reputable who can fix this issue and a round about price I can expect? I may fix it and sell it as a refurb if it makes financial sense. If anyone has any other ideas on how I can sort this, I'm all ears.

I know in the warranty terms and conditions I'm not covered out of the USA, but Epson sold me a faulty product with a known fault. A reputable company would take some responsibility for that, or at least reach some sort of compromise, instead I got standard corporate dismissiveness, contrary to the good things I've heard about their customer service in the past.. Epson never again.
Have you talked to the dealer? Should be able to send the projector to them to have it sent in. You are going to be paying for shipping to and from the US.
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Hey guys,



If I want to try to achieve around a 2.4 gamma on the Epson, but don't have a light reader or any hardware to read off the screen, would setting the Gamma setting to +2 get me closer to achieving this rather than leaving Gamma at standard 0 setting? Or do these numbers not correlate?

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Have you talked to the dealer? Should be able to send the projector to them to have it sent in. You are going to be paying for shipping to and from the US.
I'm shopping around repair shops in the UK at the moment in the off chance it works out cheaper than return shipping. Also considering just getting on a plane and walking it into a US shop. Might as well make a holiday out of it.
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If I want to try to achieve around a 2.4 gamma on the Epson, but don't have a light reader or any hardware to read off the screen, would setting the Gamma setting to +2 get me closer to achieving this rather than leaving Gamma at standard 0 setting? Or do these numbers not correlate?


A custom gamma of 0,-3,-5,-6,-6,-6,-6,-6,0 should get you close enough for both natural and cinema.


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A custom gamma of 0,-3,-5,-6,-6,-6,-6,-6,0 should get you close enough for both natural and cinema.


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Thanks for your response. I like sticking to Natural for any SDR. I literally never touch Cinema or Digi Cinema because the light just dies.


By chance did you see in my signature I'm using an Elite Cinegrey 5d? Think this will change those numbers you mentioned?

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Thanks for your response. I like sticking to Natural for any SDR. I literally never touch Cinema or Digi Cinema because the light just dies.


By chance did you see in my signature I'm using an Elite Cinegrey 5d? Think this will change those numbers you mentioned?


Not much as I use a Cinegrey 3D and besides the slightly higher gain they are very similar materials. Also what size screen are you using? I think you would be surprised what cinema can do for night time sdr viewing. I’ll give you that It looks dim at first but once your eyes adjust it really is a treat. I find it sends contrast through the roof especially if you clamp down the manual iris down to -8ish and run the auto iris on high.


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Not much as I use a Cinegrey 3D and besides the slightly higher gain they are very similar materials. Also what size screen are you using? I think you would be surprised what cinema can do for night time sdr viewing. I’ll give you that It looks dim at first but once your eyes adjust it really is a treat. I find it sends contrast through the roof especially if you clamp down the manual iris down to -8ish and run the auto iris on high.


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Sounds cool. I'm using a 105" screen with PJ about 11-12 feet away.

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Sounds cool. I'm using a 105" screen with PJ about 11-12 feet away.


Ya I’m running cinema on eco mode with the auto iris on high and manual clamped to -10 on a 100” 3D. For reference a movie theater only has about 16fl of light coming off a screen and those settings get me to about 22-24fl which is still significantly more light then is truly needed for sdr in a dark room.


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Ya I’m running cinema on eco mode with the auto iris on high and manual clamped to -10 on a 100” 3D. For reference a movie theater only has about 16fl of light coming off a screen and those settings get me to about 22-24fl which is still significantly more light then is truly needed for sdr in a dark room.


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I'll give it a shot. Man I need to get some hardware/software to start measuring.

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Ya I’m running cinema on eco mode with the auto iris on high and manual clamped to -10 on a 100” 3D. For reference a movie theater only has about 16fl of light coming off a screen and those settings get me to about 22-24fl which is still significantly more light then is truly needed for sdr in a dark room.


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What is you screen gain?
I don't use the Iris and I'm only getting 16-17fl with my 115" screen on natural and Eco. Probably because it's a grey 0,8 - 0,9 gain...
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What is you screen gain?

I don't use the Iris and I'm only getting 16-17fl with my 115" screen on natural and Eco. Probably because it's a grey 0,8 - 0,9 gain...


1.3 gain and the projector is at is minimum throw for my screen size so I’m not loosing any light to zooming and my screen is higher gain and smaller then yours. Evan is using a 1.5 gain screen and it’s only a few inches larger.


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A custom gamma of 0,-3,-5,-6,-6,-6,-6,-6,0 should get you close enough for both natural and cinema.


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Ive also just started playing around with recommended settings from this thread. The settings mentioned back at bottom of page 500 are for HDR images? And the gamma you state above (using Cinema mode?) is what you are using for SDR??

So I assume you have at least one HDR and one SDR setting saved to memory?

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Here are the settings. This was well over 15hrs and, multiple attempts of Calibrating with i1pro and HCFR

The gamma tracks very close if not right on the 2084 gamma curve in most areas. Contrast clipped around 3400 nits.

I see highlights I have never seen before and detail is amazing. Best picture I have seen on this projector or in my room. This is not a over saturated picture with tons of bright colors, its accurate colors.

Keep in mind these settings may not look good in your room, my room and screen may be very different. The faintest light can throw off a Calibration by miles.

Room: dedicated theater, with black walls, black carpet, black ceiling with 0 light.

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Everything I took pics of except gamma as it didn't show the value.

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Super white on in "auto" will definitely smoosh those highlights down to a nice visible level. Bat cave is beneficial. What screen?

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Ive also just started playing around with recommended settings from this thread. The settings mentioned back at bottom of page 500 are for HDR images? And the gamma you state above (using Cinema mode?) is what you are using for SDR??



So I assume you have at least one HDR and one SDR setting saved to memory?


Yes I’m running an hdr setting, an sdr dark room, and an sdr bright room setting for daytime viewing.


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Yes I’m running an hdr setting, an sdr dark room, and an sdr bright room setting for daytime viewing.


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Any chance you would be willing to share your sdr dark room settings? Would be keen to try them out, as the HDR ones are fantastic!!

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A custom gamma of 0,-3,-5,-6,-6,-6,-6,-6,0 should get you close enough for both natural and cinema.


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Tried this gamma out and re-did a simple black, white, and color clipping calibration. Also clamped down the iris to -8.
Gotta say my SDR Rec 709 just took a step up so thank you sir. I was over saturated before for sure. Still getting the color clipping settings down.

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As soon as I’m fully happy with the hybrid settings I will post them


Any closer to 'hybrid nirvana', OrcusVaruna?

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Any chance you would be willing to share your sdr dark room settings? Would be keen to try them out, as the HDR ones are fantastic!!


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Any closer to 'hybrid nirvana', OrcusVaruna?


I will post what I have later, not yet perfect but pretty close for me. It really is more of a trade off then anything though. With autobright the image overall is a bit blown out (but with the new settings all the white detail is there) and you loose a bit of the wonderful hdr specular highlighting but you gain image brightness and shadow contrast (every different shade of grey is visible and vibrant). With @robc1976 settings every bit of image detail is there and specular highlights are wonderful but the image in darker indoor scenes is a bit dull. So it really will come down to a matter of taste. Another way to look at it is my settings are more dynamic while robs are more accurate. The annoying thing is for some content, especially those with entirely digital workflows like lost in space or blade runner 2049 I like using autobright and with film based hdr I like @robc1976 auto settings. Not to say either settings look bad when used on the other content, they don’t.


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I will post what I have later, not yet perfect but pretty close for me. It really is more of a trade off then anything though. With autobright the image overall is a bit blown out (but with the new settings all the white detail is there) and you loose a bit of the wonderful hdr specular highlighting but you gain image brightness and shadow contrast (every different shade of grey is visible and vibrant). With @robc1976 settings every bit of image detail is there and specular highlights are wonderful but the image in darker indoor scenes is a bit dull. So it really will come down to a matter of taste. Another way to look at it is my settings are more dynamic while robs are more accurate. The annoying thing is for some content, especially those with entirely digital workflows like lost in space or blade runner 2049 I like using autobright and with film based hdr I like @robc1976 auto settings. Not to say either settings look bad when used on the other content, they don’t.


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Also, keep in mind when it comes to low light detail it comes down to screen. My sceen has crazy detail in dark screen but on my buddies room almost identical rooms its not as detailed because his screen is much different. Also some movies seem dark like assassin's creed, underworld ect but look great in rampage, superman ect

I 100% agree with spectacular highlights... Its my favorite part. To really see this play assassins creed orgins and go to night time and the shield and sword reflect moonlight and its jaw dropping.



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Also need to update brightness settings, you cant set brightness with another source when Calibrating. My patterns came from HCFR via chromecast but never really set with pattern

With HDR you don't set brightness like you do with SDR.

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Absolutely loving the new Panasonic UB820 with the Epson 5040.

Running HDR 4k 24p 12bit 4:2:2

Epson 5040ub on Natural Mode > High Lamp > with Dynamic Range signal to "Auto." (Auto-Bright blows it out and ruins colors)

Black, White, and Color clipping dialed in via R. Masciola patterns for HDR10.

820 HDR Optimizer On
Dynamic Range slider to +8
Color Adjustment in 820 +12

Ready Player One looks outstanding with these settings. Really happy with it. The brightness is more than enough and the 820 keeps the highlights from blowing with the awesome HDR optimizer.
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Also, keep in mind when it comes to low light detail it comes down to screen. My sceen has crazy detail in dark screen but on my buddies room almost identical rooms its not as detailed because his screen is much different. Also some movies seem dark like assassin's creed, underworld ect but look great in rampage, superman ect

I 100% agree with spectacular highlights... Its my favorite part. To really see this play assassins creed orgins and go to night time and the shield and sword reflect moonlight and its jaw dropping.



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Yes absolutely agree screen and room will play a huge part an alr screen in a living room will likely use autobright while a white high gain screen in a bat cave will likely much prefer auto.


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Also need to update brightness settings, you cant set brightness with another source when Calibrating. My patterns came from HCFR via chromecast but never really set with pattern

With HDR you don't set brightness like you do with SDR.

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Absolutely I have actually had better luck setting brightness for hdr correctly with the brightness calibrator in ea games like assassins creed and destiny then I have with hdr patterns lol


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Yes absolutely agree screen and room will play a huge part an alr screen in a living room will likely use autobright while a white high gain screen in a bat cave will likely much prefer auto.


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I'm finding AUTO to be much preferred for color preservation. The UB820 from panasonic has the dynamic range slider. Pump that up to +8 combined with the "auto" and man, its really amazing. I'm using a grey screen. Cinegrey 5d.

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