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Hello everyone, I was wondering if there has been any update on if Epson is going to be replacing this model with a new one anytime soon? I have been researching an upgrade to my 5021 and keep coming back to the 5040, the only thing holding me back at this point is the idea that Epson may drop a new model to replace this one in 2019. I haven't read anything but as this model is pushing more than three years old, I thought it was a valid concern?
The Panasonic AE8000 was in production from 2012 with the last one shipping in Jan 2018 before it was discontinued. That was an anomaly, but still, the projector world ain't on the same level as flat screens where new tech comes out every 6 months. I am willing to bet that the next mass-market Epson won't come out until Fall 2019 with HDMI 2.1 and the true 4K pricepoint in the projector world comes down.
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It is normal my 5040ub does it. My 5025 did it. My 8700 also did it. I have no idea why. Sometimes it does it, sometimes it does not. I am not sure if its temp related or what not. But my theater room stays pretty cool year round in the mid 60s. Its never hot in there and it still comes on from time to time.
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Both My 2040 and my 5040 do it in the same room. I had both Pj in the same room for while and the last time I fired the 5040 and it did that I also fired the 2040 and it did ! Maybe just a coincidence but every time it happened to me the temp was UNDER 70. My guess would be it cycles air to remove possible moisture (present at lower temps). Just a guess tho.
Because this behavior has also been exhibited in past models, it would suggest that it was designed purposefully this way...but for what purpose? The fact that Epson’s support organization is unable to provide an explanation is curious and leaves it open to speculation. So, I’ll speculate once more and suggest that it is a design flaw/error that randomly and incorrectly places the PJ in a cooling logic state at start up, subsequently corrects itself, proved to have no negative effects, and thus never corrected!

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The Panasonic AE8000 was in production from 2012 with the last one shipping in Jan 2018 before it was discontinued. That was an anomaly, but still, the projector world ain't on the same level as flat screens where new tech comes out every 6 months. I am willing to bet that the next mass-market Epson won't come out until Fall 2019 with HDMI 2.1 and the true 4K pricepoint in the projector world comes down.

I would have to agree. Replacement cycles for flat panels and projectors are vastly different. Demand, sales volumes, and therefore revenue streams would generally have the greatest impact on these cycles.

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I read I thought in here somewhere rumor mill hot that a 5050/6050 coming soon with 18 GB HDMI chipset and frame interpolation in 4K. We should know for sure when CEDIA happens next month.
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I read I thought in here somewhere rumor mill hot that a 5050/6050 coming soon with 18 GB HDMI chipset and frame interpolation in 4K. We should know for sure when CEDIA happens next month.
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Have now dialed this in. No time to watch right now but am due to complete Ozark S1 with the final two eps this evening. It's probably not the best content to test settings with as it seems to have a rather stylised colour palette (washed out but heavy on blue and green) but hopefully I can do some comparisons between the settings once I've watched the two eps.
Watched the final two hours of Ozark using the new Orcus settings and then did some back to back comparisons with Orcus' previous settings and Rob's final settings. Each of the settings have elements that I like and despite being very clearly different, I found it difficult to say which I definitively prefer.


Having then watched some additional content (all 4K HDR but a mix of TV and film)), I think I've reaffirmed my previous thoughts that Rob's settings look best to me with CGI heavy, non-realistic content (sci-fi, fantasy and superhero type stuff) while Orcus' settings are preferable for more real-life based content. For brighter source material, I prefer Orcus' previous settings but with darker, gloomier or more washed out content I prefer the latest settings.

With the ability to save all 3 options so easily with the Epson, I can now pretty much guess before watching a show/film which of them is likely to work best and simply load the relevant setting from the memory options. I've never seen my PJ perform better and despite always having liked the image, I now absolutely love it. I used to always watch with a nagging feeling that my LG OLED would be seriously outperforming it but don't have that worry to nearly the same degree now. The trade off for the much larger image with these new settings is entirely worth it.

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The 5040UB first shipped to dealers in August 2016, so it's exactly 2 years old this month and still a year away from pushing more than 3.

Thanks for the correction, but the question still stands if anyone has any insight on if Epson may be rolling out an updated model or replacement? I haven't been able to find anything that would suggest they are, but then again manufacturers probably aren't going to announce a new model 6 months in advance, thus killing sales on their existing ones. I could just see me purchasing the 5040 and then two months later Epson rolls out an updated model.
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I read I thought in here somewhere rumor mill hot that a 5050/6050 coming soon with 18 GB HDMI chipset and frame interpolation in 4K. We should know for sure when CEDIA happens next month.



Thanks for the response, it seems like it makes sense to at least wait until the CEDIA and then make a decision. Going to be hard on me though, I've got the upgrade bug bad.
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Thanks for the correction, but the question still stands if anyone has any insight on if Epson may be rolling out an updated model or replacement? I haven't been able to find anything that would suggest they are, but then again manufacturers probably aren't going to announce a new model 6 months in advance, thus killing sales on their existing ones. I could just see me purchasing the 5040 and then two months later Epson rolls out an updated model.
there have been rumors.

thing is, hdmi 2.1 is right around the corner, but it is VERY unlikely to be in anything released this year (as in, it isn’t happening). as a corporation making projectors, i think that even if i had something ready to release this year, but it did not have 2.1, i wouldn’t release it, i’d wait until next year ao that i could put 2.1 chipsets in it.

if they release a 2.0 pj this year, they are putting themselves in an even worse boat than they did by not making the 5040 with an 18G port.
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there have been rumors.

thing is, hdmi 2.1 is right around the corner, but it is VERY unlikely to be in anything released this year (as in, it isn’t happening). as a corporation making projectors, i think that even if i had something ready to release this year, but it did not have 2.1, i wouldn’t release it, i’d wait until next year ao that i could put 2.1 chipsets in it.

if they release a 2.0 pj this year, they are putting themselves in an even worse boat than they did by not making the 5040 with an 18G port.

Thanks, this makes sense, I'll probably wait until the CEDIA announcements and if it turns out the next evolution is still more than a year away I'll go with the 5040. Probably upgrade again in two years.
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Thanks, this makes sense, I'll probably wait until the CEDIA announcements and if it turns out the next evolution is still more than a year away I'll go with the 5040. Probably upgrade again in two years.

i figure that either 2020 or 2021 is going to be a rather expensive year.
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i figure that either 2020 or 2021 is going to be a rather expensive year.

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So, I’ll speculate once more and suggest that it is a design flaw/error that randomly and incorrectly places the PJ in a cooling logic state at start up, subsequently corrects itself, proved to have no negative effects, and thus never corrected!

i'll buy that speculation. why chase a bug that has no negative effects?
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After just reading the entire thread regarding the 5040 power supply issues, I'll be steering very far away from this projector. Anyone have any suggestions for an alternative?
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After just reading the entire thread regarding the 5040 power supply issues, I'll be steering very far away from this projector. Anyone have any suggestions for an alternative?
Sony has a $5K 4k projector, also JVC RS is highly rated, but lamps are costly, so in essence, it's budget dependent. Personally, I enjoy my 6040UB, it is just a stop gap measure for a couple of years. Next will be 8K which will make the 4K projectors more affordable.

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After just reading the entire thread regarding the 5040 power supply issues, I'll be steering very far away from this projector. Anyone have any suggestions for an alternative?

Check this site and this article in particular: https://www.projectorcentral.com/pro...r&entry_id=751
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there have been rumors.

thing is, hdmi 2.1 is right around the corner, but it is VERY unlikely to be in anything released this year (as in, it isn’t happening). as a corporation making projectors, i think that even if i had something ready to release this year, but it did not have 2.1, i wouldn’t release it, i’d wait until next year ao that i could put 2.1 chipsets in it.

if they release a 2.0 pj this year, they are putting themselves in an even worse boat than they did by not making the 5040 with an 18G port.
Can you elaborate on this comment?: if they release a 2.0 pj this year, they are putting themselves in an even worse boat than they did by not making the 5040 with an 18G port
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I just sold my Epson 5040ub however the buyer didn't get the Chief mounting bracket for the Chief mount. If anyone looking for just the bracket it PM me.
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Did you upgrade to something else or got rid of it for other reasons? I still feel that the 5040 is the best bang for your buck when it comes to LCD DLP (UHD65 is a half-assed attempt at offering an LCD 4K projector at a similar price-point) and would not give it up until a LCD DLP 18Gb/s HDMI 2.1 projector comes along.
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Stop right there! What mount did you get? I ask because the 5040ub is a beastly big Girl, and the only mounting holes for inverted mounting are the ones left by removing the Feet. And those feet are all the way out at each corner. Strength and rigidity are critical needs for mounting the 5040ub. Oh....to be sure there are some mounts that will get you up in the air alright....but not nearly as well and secure as others. And NONE like the RPA-181 by Chief. So...what'cha got?

I got a Peerless PRG-UNV. From what I've read, it isn't a Chief but should do the trick?

Thanks for all your advice/answers so far. Very helpful!

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Stop right there! What mount did you get? I ask because the 5040ub is a beastly big Girl, and the only mounting holes for inverted mounting are the ones left by removing the Feet. And those feet are all the way out at each corner. Strength and rigidity are critical needs for mounting the 5040ub. Oh....to be sure there are some mounts that will get you up in the air alright....but not nearly as well and secure as others. And NONE like the RPA-181 by Chief. So...what'cha got?

I got a Peerless PRG-UNV. From what I've read, it isn't a Chief but should do the trick?

Thanks for all your advice/answers so far. Very helpful!
To my knowledge, @MississippiMan and I both recommend and are using the Chief Mounts and as he says..."none mo betta." The correct "custom" bracket for the 5040/6040 is the Chief SLB357 which does not require the removal of the feet...see pictures in the link below from my previous post.


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Watched the final two hours of Ozark using the new Orcus settings and then did some back to back comparisons with Orcus' previous settings and Rob's final settings. Each of the settings have elements that I like and despite being very clearly different, I found it difficult to say which I definitively prefer.


Having then watched some additional content (all 4K HDR but a mix of TV and film)), I think I've reaffirmed my previous thoughts that Rob's settings look best to me with CGI heavy, non-realistic content (sci-fi, fantasy and superhero type stuff) while Orcus' settings are preferable for more real-life based content. For brighter source material, I prefer Orcus' previous settings but with darker, gloomier or more washed out content I prefer the latest settings.

With the ability to save all 3 options so easily with the Epson, I can now pretty much guess before watching a show/film which of them is likely to work best and simply load the relevant setting from the memory options. I've never seen my PJ perform better and despite always having liked the image, I now absolutely love it. I used to always watch with a nagging feeling that my LG OLED would be seriously outperforming it but don't have that worry to nearly the same degree now. The trade off for the much larger image with these new settings is entirely worth it.

Thanks again for your efforts to all concerned, great job!


You’re very welcome I’m glad they are working out well for you! I also completely agree that each of mine and @robc1976 settings are excellent and have qualities I greatly enjoy. After what must have been at least 20 hours learning how to calibrate for HDR and applying it to the Epson, you really have to make some tough decisions with respect to HDR and projectors. Robs settings accentuate specular highlights and simulated HDR exceptionally well, but at the expense of mid tone contrast and subsequent pop. My original settings maximize contrast and pop at the expense of shadow detail and specular highlights. In other words more of a stylized HDR simulation with high peak brightness but reduced mid tone dynamic range. Finally, my new settings basically say to hell with simulating HDR as I purposely boosted low end gamma shrinking the dynamic range but gaining image detail in darker areas. This decision killed specular highlights to a degree but makes the image much more filmic and natural which I personally prefer. Ultimately though, one can not go wrong using either of the settings exclusively or a combination of all three. They are each excellent in their own way and there is no right answer as to which one is better, as they are the direct reflection of the compromises/decisions you must make when calibrating a projector for HDR.

As a side note, with all of the talk in this thread about quality issues I sometimes forget how friggen awesome this projector is. I just rewatched Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows as a torture test for my new settings and the image was truly jaw dropping and I actually chuckled at one point because it looked so good lol. Moments like that really make all the money spent on my system and time perfecting it worth it. And thank you again for sharing your thoughts.


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Loving every minute of the HDR optimized Infinity War on the 820/Epson 5040.

Epson Dynamic Range set to "auto" with these 820 settings.

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Loving every minute of the HDR optimized Infinity War on the 820/Epson 5040.

Epson Dynamic Range set to "auto" with these 820 settings.

Looks awsome
As I have also got the 820 would you care to share your projector settings?
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As a side note, with all of the talk in this thread about quality issues I sometimes forget how friggen awesome this projector is. I just rewatched Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows as a torture test for my new settings and the image was truly jaw dropping and I actually chuckled at one point because it looked so good lol. Moments like that really make all the money spent on my system and time perfecting it worth it. And thank you again for sharing your thoughts.

Couldn't agree more. It's so easy to get hung up on the minor cons that sometimes the huge pros become overlooked. Over the last week or two and playing with these new settings I've had similar moments to you, where I'm almost laughing out loud at how astonishingly good some scenes look with this projector. The quality of image I'm seeing in my own home at the moment would have been completely unthinkable to me just five or so years ago.


Coincidentally, I was taken along to a rare (real) cinema viewing the other evening and throughout the film I kept thinking, 'This seriously doesn't look as good as my image at home'.
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As a side note, with all of the talk in this thread about quality issues I sometimes forget how friggen awesome this projector is. I just rewatched Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows as a torture test for my new settings and the image was truly jaw dropping and I actually chuckled at one point because it looked so good lol. Moments like that really make all the money spent on my system and time perfecting it worth it. And thank you again for sharing your thoughts.


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Good point. While there is a lot of chatter in these enthusiast threads about PSU failures (which are real - I had the same issue myself with fewer than 400 hours on the unit), it's important to remember that members of AVS will represent a very small proportion of all owners, and are much more likely to post about problems than about units performing perfectly. Nobody knows how prevalent this PSU problem is - it may be a small proportion of all units affected, or it may be a large proportion, but nobody really knows.

So, given that a problem does exist, it's probably more important to look at how the manufacturer resolves it than it is to speculate on how common it is. In that light, Epson seem to be doing a good job. They are replacing or repairing units with no hassle, which is as much as one can expect them to do. Some commenters wonder why Epson do not withdraw units which are likely to have the PSU fault, but this is probably not a practical proposition. The units will have been distributed all over the place and the fault may be random, or it may only affect units which have a particular component source, details of which are not recoverable from unit serial numbers. It could be the case that the supplier of the affected component had a faulty batch of materials used in component assembly but did not keep records of which components were affected, or that the supplier's supplier had the issue. Truth is, it's complicated and nobody knows. The only way to resolve it for sure is to recall *every* unit sold but that has its own set of problems and is probably not cost-effective if it is only a very small percentage of units which are affected.

What we do know for certain is that not every unit sold has the problem, so the only thing that owners can do is use their PJ, enjoy their PJ, marvel at how great the PQ is, and what fabulous value the unit represents and keep their fingers crossed that they won't have a PSU failure. The odds are probably with them on this. Of course, we shouldn't have to rely on crossed fingers when buying expensive units, but then life isn't perfect.
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Can you elaborate on this comment?: if they release a 2.0 pj this year, they are putting themselves in an even worse boat than they did by not making the 5040 with an 18G port
sure.

if next year a whole bunch of source devices show up with 2.1 (and i think they will, manufacturers need something “new” to sell), they’d end up having just released a pj that is incompatible with it.

and even if people don’t NEED it, you know they are gonna want it, and they’ll want it even more the following year.

if i’m a flat panel manufacturer, i don’t care, because i release new models every year. but pj’s don’t follow that cycle.

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