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I might be interested in such a casing since my ceiling is black. Would you mind sharing your source?

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Took these images to compare 1080p (4k enhancement) 4:4:4 vs native 4k 4:2:0 with Forza Horizon 3:

4k native:
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1080p enhanced
https://abload.de/img/20161001_17363662jmv.jpg

Images too big, so I'm just gonna link it. These were taken about 1m away from the screen.
Nice, the 4K really helps tighten up the IQ gets rid of jaggies.
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Unless I missed it, I don't recall the source being mentioned anywhere.
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Unless I missed it, I don't recall the source being mentioned anywhere.
It turned out it was for the 5030
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Unless I missed it, I don't recall the source being mentioned anywhere.
When he first posted it I had messaged him privately to alert him that I thought the pricing might have been for the older unit which is also a smaller size as I had found it doubtful that it was for the newer model. Shortly thereafter he posted a message in this thread stating that the components and prices were for the older 5030 unit. He also posted previously after he had gotten the pricing for the first two panels that he would need pricing for two other panels as well before he realied it was all for the older model. So, while those of us with white might like black it will likely be a while before Epson even offers the FOUR case components we would need and even then we would likely be forfeiting our warranties should we attempt it. For me, the warranty replacement is CRITICAL so I would not do this change if that is the case anyway.

Cross-posted with ^ as I started my original message and then got pulled away before coming back and typing my final details and then hitting SEND

PS - He did send me the source in that reply PM but since it is for old components, no point in relaying.
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I'm working on a summary of how each player plays with the Epson. I'll post shortly for all of you to review. In the meantime...some comments re: below...

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This is essentially an output problem. The projector supports display of the content as it is stored on the disk. Samsung has chosen to use an output that requires 18Gbps. Whether that can be corrected via firmware or not is unknown. The sad thing here is that these conversions are required at all. I would prefer that the output device send the content to the projector without any chroma conversion. This makes all of the current players on the market less than ideal because the best place for this conversion to occur is once, on the display itself. All of these arguments are focused on the wrong subject. Call these manufacturers and complain that they don't output the disc's native format! Everyone call Congress!

From what I understand (see attached graphic) HDMI 2.0 does not support the native UHD Bluray spec of 4k24 / 4:2:0 / 8 or 10-bit color, so some sort of conversion must happen on the player. Just saying, we don't literally want the native format sent.


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i just figured it out. Pure stupidity. Hdmi cable plugged into hdmi 2 vs hdmi 1. Sorry guys! crazy though i still got a message saying projector doesnt support hdr but at least now i am getting 4k 12 bit 4:2:2 out using direct connect with philips. Now to figure what to keep lol.

ahhhh....so can you tell me what the Samsung and Xbox One are sending now? Before I believe you had said that both were sending 1080p / 4:4:4 / 8 or 10-bit / Rec 709


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How did you get 4K 12bit 4:2:2 with the Epson? I thought the Epson can't go that high in bandwidth with the HDMI or am I mistaken?
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I 2nd the request for more clarity on this subject, please!
ME TOO!! I currently use a Lumagen to jump to 2:35.1 from 16:9 and also to crop the top and bottom 12.5% of the screen. This is the fix I found for those movies that switch aspect ratios. It works awesome, but my Lumagen doesn't support 4k so if I move from my current 5030 to a 5040, it would be super nice if the projector did the cropping natively.

Anyone know? Thanks
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ME TOO!! I currently use a Lumagen to jump to 2:35.1 from 16:9 and also to crop the top and bottom 12.5% of the screen. This is the fix I found for those movies that switch aspect ratios. It works awesome, but my Lumagen doesn't support 4k so if I move from my current 5030 to a 5040, it would be super nice if the projector did the cropping natively.

Anyone know? Thanks
The 5040 does have LENS MEMORY and even has 2 separate hard buttons on the remote to make it easier to go from 16:9 to the 2:35.1 format. Not only that but it can also shift the image up or down or down on the screen as well so that you can retain either the top or bottom boarder. Of couse the opposite border would also then need to be adjusted using some method other than what is available through the projector itself (perhaps a top or bottom masking system)

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The 5040 does have LENS MEMORY and even has 2 separate hard buttons on the remote to make it easier to go from 16:9 to the 2:35.1 format. Not only that but it can also shift the image up or down or down on the screen as well so that you can retain either the top or bottom boarder. Of couse the opposite border would also then need to be adjusted using some method other than what is available through the projector itself (perhaps a top or bottom masking system)
I found this from a sister forum about the blanking feature to mask the screen between aspect ratios:

Darn I need to submit 5 posts before I can provide the link. Its on AVForum from December 2015

Anyone try this out on TDK or Interstellar on the Epson 5040 yet?

Thanks
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I found this from a sister forum about the blanking feature to mask the screen between aspect ratios:

Darn I need to submit 5 posts before I can provide the link. Its on AVForum from December 2015

Anyone try this out on TDK or Interstellar on the Epson 5040 yet?

Thanks
Here is the link sort of: avforums.com/threads/why-doesnt-1-85-crop-exist-on-projector-settings-or-does-it.2001394/
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I found this from a sister forum about the blanking feature to mask the screen between aspect ratios:

Darn I need to submit 5 posts before I can provide the link. Its on AVForum from December 2015

Anyone try this out on TDK or Interstellar on the Epson 5040 yet?

Thanks
The function works exactly like you would expect, preserving a chosen aspect ratio during movies where shifting occurs. It is software based. Explanations of how this works and the outcome are well described elsewhere on the Internet. It is a nice feature if you use a fixed CIH setup.
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Spoke to a Epson tech yesterday and no way can the 5040 do HDR with the Xbox One S without some sort of firmware update to either the 5040 or the S. He has no idea if or when this may happen ( disappointing).

So don't look to be able to play Gears of War 4 next week with HDR; sure it will still look pretty good as Project Cars has w/o HDR

He said that the Panasonic new 4k player will work because of its rendering options for lack of the proper term that has been mentioned in other posts.

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I have the Phillips routed through my Pioneer SC-95 receiver. No issues at all. I do remember that I have turned off 4K upscaling on the receiver. Just wanted the native video signal to pass-thru.
The Phillips doesn't play dvd's correct; it's just a 4k streaming player?????

Looks that way to me
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It does play 4K UHD Blu-rays.
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It does play 4K UHD Blu-rays.
To add to that, it is a very compact player, just barely larger than the disc tray.
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Here are some of my experiences with the 5040 coupled with a Philips UHD player after 100 hours.

No Netflix 4K or HDR
HDR shows no improvement, in fact quite the opposite
Fan now stuck on high
Iris failed
Edge ringing
Could not get FI working

Quite disappointing. This is my first auto iris projector. It never really worked well as brightness would vary on same scene. The servo motor controlling the iris sounded like an old SCSI HDD reindexing. So loud you could easily hear it across the room.

If my unit is an isolated case, I will consider having it replaced. If others have similar issues, I will try to get a refund or sell it.

Are auto irises fundamentally unreliable over time?
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Here are some of my experiences with the 5040 coupled with a Philips UHD player after 100 hours.



No Netflix 4K or HDR

HDR shows no improvement, in fact quite the opposite

Fan now stuck on high

Iris failed

Edge ringing

Could not get FI working



Quite disappointing. This is my first auto iris projector. It never really worked well as brightness would vary on same scene. The servo motor controlling the iris sounded like an old SCSI HDD reindexing. So loud you could easily hear it across the room.



If my unit is an isolated case, I will consider having it replaced. If others have similar issues, I will try to get a refund or sell it.



Are auto irises fundamentally unreliable over time?


Strange. I manage 4K on the same player with Netflix.

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No Netflix 4K or HDR
HDR shows no improvement, in fact quite the opposite
Are you aware that Netflix now charges a premium to access the 4K and HDR content? It is no longer packaged with the standard subscription.

Additionally your internet connection must meet the bandwidth requirements.
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Here are some of my experiences with the 5040 coupled with a Philips UHD player after 100 hours.

No Netflix 4K or HDR
HDR shows no improvement, in fact quite the opposite
Fan now stuck on high
Iris failed
Edge ringing
Could not get FI working

Quite disappointing. This is my first auto iris projector. It never really worked well as brightness would vary on same scene. The servo motor controlling the iris sounded like an old SCSI HDD reindexing. So loud you could easily hear it across the room.

If my unit is an isolated case, I will consider having it replaced. If others have similar issues, I will try to get a refund or sell it.

Are auto irises fundamentally unreliable over time?
FWIW I get 4k on Netflix through the Phillips player app. I would suggest you check your settings and cable.

Looking forward to trying out the new Roku Ultra to see what happens with it, they shipped it to me yesterday.
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Here are some of my experiences with the 5040 coupled with a Philips UHD player after 100 hours.

No Netflix 4K or HDR
HDR shows no improvement, in fact quite the opposite
Fan now stuck on high
Iris failed
Edge ringing
Could not get FI working

Quite disappointing. This is my first auto iris projector. It never really worked well as brightness would vary on same scene. The servo motor controlling the iris sounded like an old SCSI HDD reindexing. So loud you could easily hear it across the room.

If my unit is an isolated case, I will consider having it replaced. If others have similar issues, I will try to get a refund or sell it.

Are auto irises fundamentally unreliable over time?
I've heard some others talk about the auto iris sounding like an old HDD but when I listened to both my old unit and the new one I didn't hear anything like that even in the middle of the night when all is dead quiet with ECO fan and the movie volume muted.

The old unit only made a distracting annoying sound when 4k Enhancement was engaged. I wonder if the Auto Iris sound is also an issue on only some units or all of them.

Perhaps other owners could chime in with their experience if they hear what you are describing or not.

Perhaps you can tell us a particular movie scene(s) that you hear it on?
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Are you aware that Netflix now charges a premium to access the 4K and HDR content? It is no longer packaged with the standard subscription.

Additionally your internet connection must meet the bandwidth requirements.
I am able to watch Netflix 4K on a direct view set in the house. I pull over 100 Mbs downstream. When I select 4K content on Netflix it plays. When I look at projector info on the projector, it is outputting 1080P not 4K. 4K blurays play fine from the Philips and projector info indicates 4K. Not sure what is wrong. Epson asked that I insure 24P is selected on the philips when playing 4K which it is.
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I've heard some others talk about the auto iris sounding like an old HDD but when I listened to both my old unit and the new one I didn't hear anything like that even in the middle of the night when all is dead quiet with ECO fan and the movie volume muted.

The old unit only made a distracting annoying sound when 4k Enhancement was engaged. I wonder if the Auto Iris sound is also an issue on only some units or all of them.

Perhaps other owners could chime in with their experience if they hear what you are describing or not.

Perhaps you can tell us a particular movie scene(s) that you hear it on?
Set the iris to 'fast' and then fast-forward through something. Especially noticeable on recorded material with ads. On mine it makes a lot of disk-drive-type noise, and then spends a few seconds zeroing-in on the setting it wants. I've also been using the slower mode, but it is still very evident when operating. The projector is ceiling-mounted not far above my head though.
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I've heard some others talk about the auto iris sounding like an old HDD but when I listened to both my old unit and the new one I didn't hear anything like that even in the middle of the night when all is dead quiet with ECO fan and the movie volume muted.

The old unit only made a distracting annoying sound when 4k Enhancement was engaged. I wonder if the Auto Iris sound is also an issue on only some units or all of them.

Perhaps other owners could chime in with their experience if they hear what you are describing or not.

Perhaps you can tell us a particular movie scene(s) that you hear it on?
Well, it failed so there is no sound coming from the iris at all now. I could pause any movie and the iris would continue to adjust. No doubt it had some issues from the start.
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Set the iris to 'fast' and then fast-forward through something. Especially noticeable on recorded material with ads. On mine it makes a lot of disk-drive-type noise, and then spends a few seconds zeroing-in on the setting it wants. I've also been using the slower mode, but it is still very evident when operating. The projector is ceiling-mounted not far above my head though.
Your explanation precisely defines how my unit operated before failing. Hope yours doesn't fail too.
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Your explanation precisely defines how my unit operated before failing. Hope yours doesn't fail too.
Well, with the iris noise and the whine with 4K enhancement of 60Hz material I'm kind of half-hoping that mine fails too, since then I wouldn't have the hassle of explaining why I wasn't happy with the various noises. I know that in the US Epson have an excellent reputation for sorting things out, but I don't know whether the same applies in the UK. I'm planning to talk to them on Monday.

I did some more analysis of the whine today. There are very small elements of it measurable on 24Hz BD material with 4Ke on, and likewise I can see a slight difference in the spectrogram of 50Hz material. However, the annoying noise is only really present on 60Hz material, where the actual big peak is 419.6Hz (7x the input).
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Official Epson 5040ub/6040ub owners thread

People complaining about the whine noise... do you really hear this with your movie audio playing? I have my audio so loud generally that I wouldn't be able to hear a hair dryer!
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i don't know about the table, but 4k blu-ray is pretty much 4kp24 4:2:0 10-bit. And i believe that is what the hdfury integral was reporting when i was playing a 4k disc.



The bdp7501 will automatically do the right thing when plugged into hdmi #1 on the 5040ub and playing a 4k blu-ray disc. You will probably want to manually select hdr mode 1 but other than that you don't have to do anything special to get it to work.


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People complaining about the whine noise... do you really hear this with your movie audio playing? I have my audio sonorous generally that I wouldn't be able to hear a hair dryer!
It only happens in a quiet moment, but then the background whine will intrude. It takes you out of the movie. It must be said that it is normally lost in the audio presentation, but using a PJ is an immersive experience such that it jars if you suddenly lose that. A bit like noticing some stray light across the screen.
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It only happens in a quiet moment, but then the background whine will intrude. It takes you out of the movie. It must be said that it is normally lost in the audio presentation, but using a PJ is an immersive experience such that it jars if you suddenly lose that. A bit like noticing some stray light across the screen.
Without getting deep (blacker black) into iris and what its supposed to do, I've never seen a difference with it being on, normal or high speed so I have always just left it off on my 6030 and prior 5010. I wouldn't mind seeing pics proving otherwise but then it might be subjective/perceptive anyway.

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