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I downloaded the respective files from the various download links and based on the Hash check, it seems safe to state that the firmware update for the US Home Cinema 5040UB/Pro Cinema 6040UB & the EU EH-TW9300 & the Asia EH-TW9300 &the Asia EH-TW8300 are identical.

Home Cinema 5040UB/Pro Cinema 6040UB | Firmware v1.11/1.11
Posted: ??? (DD/MM/YYYY)
Posted File Name: EPSONPJ_t5111_111.bin
Posted File Size: File Size: 40.0 MB (4,20,11,120 bytes)
CRC32: 4F4D14B9
MD5: A7B0B8F8CE45D8E0C4E8C4EE36E4F5F8
SHA-1: BD5FFE3631E1121D3948E07FAA7E5D5EC964B533
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EH-TW9300 (EU) | Firmware v1.11
Posted: 08/12/2017 (DD/MM/YYYY)
Posted File Name: epson628939eu.zip
Posted File Size: 40.7 MB (4,27,59,341 bytes)
Unzipped File Name: EPSONPJ_t5111_111.bin
Unzipped File Dated: 30/11/2017 11:32AM
Unzipped File Size: 40.0 MB (4,20,11,120 bytes)
CRC32: 4F4D14B9
MD5: A7B0B8F8CE45D8E0C4E8C4EE36E4F5F8
SHA-1: BD5FFE3631E1121D3948E07FAA7E5D5EC964B533
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EH-TW8300 (Asia) | Firmware v1.11
Posted: 13/12/2017 (DD/MM/YYYY)
Posted File Name: EPSONPJ_t5111_UM(EN).zip
Posted File Size: 40.7 MB (4,27,59,341 bytes)
Unzipped File Name: EPSONPJ_t5111_111.bin
Unzipped File Dated: 30/11/2017 11:32AM
Unzipped File Size: 40.0 MB (4,20,11,120 bytes)
CRC32: 4F4D14B9
MD5: A7B0B8F8CE45D8E0C4E8C4EE36E4F5F8
SHA-1: BD5FFE3631E1121D3948E07FAA7E5D5EC964B533
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EH-TW9300 (Asia) | Firmware v1.11
Posted: 13/12/2017 (DD/MM/YYYY)
Posted File Name: EPSONPJ_t5111_UM(EN).zip
Posted File Size: 40.7 MB (4,27,59,341 bytes)
Unzipped File Name: EPSONPJ_t5111_111.bin
Unzipped File Dated: 30/11/2017 11:32AM
Unzipped File Size: 40.0 MB (4,20,11,120 bytes)
CRC32: 4F4D14B9
MD5: A7B0B8F8CE45D8E0C4E8C4EE36E4F5F8
SHA-1: BD5FFE3631E1121D3948E07FAA7E5D5EC964B533
tech.epson.com.au/downloads/product.asp

seems that the au site released a new firmware: 1.13
just select Projectors -- TW8300/9300 -- All

EPSONPJ_t5113_111.zip
Size: 42.29 Mb
Posted: 25/9/2018

btw, 1.11/1.12(from EU Site)/1.13(from AU Site) all have different hash value, so these are definitely different fw version

EPSONPJ_t5111_111.bin BD5FFE3631E1121D3948E07FAA7E5D5EC964B533 42,011,120
EPSONPJ_t5112_111.bin 66480B8A65CE4CB04ED3AB735B5D16DFE82C1F37 42,011,120
EPSONPJ_t5113_111.bin 805113E4FFDB3E23E98F19E89DB00C8ECB54D06B 42,828,320

just wondering can I update my chinese version CH-TW8300 with these firmware (no new fw would ever be released here)
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Is the Apple TV still the best streaming device for the 5040? From what I was reading in earlier posts it seemed to be but just wanted to verify before purchasing
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Can of worms has been opened!

AppleTV is great, but you won't get 4K HDR YouTube, or 5.1 from a lot of content on Amazon Prime.
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Is the Apple TV still the best streaming device for the 5040? From what I was reading in earlier posts it seemed to be but just wanted to verify before purchasing

The nVidia Shield is certainly a worthy contender for that role as well.
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AppleTV is great, but you won't get 4K HDR YouTube, or 5.1 from a lot of content on Amazon Prime.


What about 4K HDR with Netflix?


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AppleTV is great, but you won't get 4K HDR YouTube, or 5.1 from a lot of content on Amazon Prime.
You get 5.1 from amazon.de video.
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Hey guys and gals!

I’m down to decision time on what components to put in my dedicated HT room, and I’m still struggling on projectors. I can get an amazing deal on the JVC DLA-RS540U, but it’s still well over the price of the 5040U. I’m not sure if the JVC is really worth the additional price. Some info I can’t seem to find - does the 5040 have full 18 gbps HDMI (I’m pretty sure it does) and does it support HDR 10 and HLG? I would really love some feedback on the HDR and how well it looks - I know I’ve asked befor, but there may be some others that could chime in. How are the blacks? I will be using and electronic masking system on my screen, so not worried about black bars, just during content.

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No the 5040ub does not have 18gbs hdmi it's limited to 10gbs.
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Does not support HLG, either.
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Yes you get 4K HDR from Netflix and at 24hz to boot! The 5.1 issue with amazon has changed over the past few months considerably and HDR for YouTube is supposedly coming as well. Also, you get Vudu HDR at 24hz and HBO HDR is supposed to be coming for the final season of game of thrones. If your a YouTube TV subscriber you get 5.1 audio and 60hz streams on the same stations as chromecast. I am also heavily invested in Apple and have loads of iTunes movies. The video processor and scaler in the ATV4K is awesome. Not sure how the one in the shield is but it’s definitely not better then the ATV4K. The last thing is your guaranteed that both apples software and apps will be updated and have features added for many years.


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Yes you get 4K HDR from Netflix and at 24hz to boot! The 5.1 issue with amazon has changed over the past few months considerably and HDR for YouTube is supposedly coming as well. Also, you get Vudu HDR at 24hz and HBO HDR is supposed to be coming for the final season of game of thrones. If your a YouTube TV subscriber you get 5.1 audio and 60hz streams on the same stations as chromecast. I am also heavily invested in Apple and have loads of iTunes movies. The video processor and scaler in the ATV4K is awesome. Not sure how the one in the shield is but it’s definitely not better then the ATV4K. The last thing is your guaranteed that both apples software and apps will be updated and have features added for many years.


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Same with Shield, you can change to 24hz and get 4K HDR with everything aswell. I haven't tried ATV, but Shield is great!

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Thanks for the replies, everyone. I’m going to go with the JVC.
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What does that mean?


I have noticed a lot more stuff is available in 5.1 then used to be. Including everything available through HBO (which I have tied to my prime account and did not used to be the case) along with most if not all amazon shows (and other shows for that matter) streamed in 4K. But there are still issues, I recently watched the expanse, of which the 1st two season stream in 4K and have 5.1 audio but the 3rd season that I purchased (which streams in 1080p) does not. When I contacted amazon they stated they are aware of the issue but are unsure of a timeline for it to be fixed. My guess is that there is probably something wrong with the root code of the ATV 4K app causing it to pull stereo streams instead of 5.1 from amazons servers. Depending where this botched code is it could literally make them have to rewrite the app for the ATV4K. If this is the case they will continue to try software fixes until the next major redesign leading to improving but still spotty availability of 5.1 streams until that time.


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Thanks for the replies, everyone. I’m going to go with the JVC.


You won’t be disappointed it’s a much better projector worth the money if you can afford it and have the right room for it (a dedicated theater). For $2500 usd though the 5040 drops an amazing picture and most HDMI compatibility issues can be solved by purchasing an HDFury Linker or Integral albeit gaming at 4K60hz will be in 8bit HDR which leads to some minor banding (not NEARLY as bad as some make it out to be because they mistake inherent banding in the video game graphics encode as 8bit induced...).


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Same with Shield, you can change to 24hz and get 4K HDR with everything aswell. I haven't tried ATV, but Shield is great!

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Not really.
Check resolution on 4k HDR show in Netflix app on shield, not on projector, then you will see.
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Not really.
Check resolution on 4k HDR show in Netflix app on shield, not on projector, then you will see.
Where can I see that info in the app om Shield? I can only see HDR before I start the show on those that have HDR.

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Hi Guys,

Apologies as I'm sure this has come up many times before, but I'll finally be installing my 6040UB this weekend after having it in the box for the last 6 months. I've been out of this thread for quite some time, but I just want to know what the current best picture settings are for blu rays and 4K discs at the moment? Last time I was in here, Harpervision was the favourite. Is this still the case?
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Not really.
Check resolution on 4k HDR show in Netflix app on shield, not on projector, then you will see.
You are right, I see now that it won't go higher then 1080p in Netflix. Can ATV do that when forcingto 23.97hz? I don't have any Apple products. Only using the Shield for Plex, Netflix and some other apps, iptv. Do you think ATV would be something for me? Thanks!

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Apologies as I'm sure this has come up many times before, but I'll finally be installing my 6040UB this weekend after having it in the box for the last 6 months. I've been out of this thread for quite some time, but I just want to know what the current best picture settings are for blu rays and 4K discs at the moment? Last time I was in here, Harpervision was the favourite. Is this still the case?

I have been using these for awhile now and I love them. If you search for @robc1976 he posted some excellent ones as well back in August. Granted these only get you so far as I use an alr screen and rob a powergain 1.3-1.5 gain white screen.





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I have been using these for awhile now and I love them. If you search for @robc1976 he posted some excellent ones as well back in August. Granted these only get you so far as I use an alr screen and rob a powergain 1.3-1.5 gain white screen.

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Thanks man. It's a dedicated room painted flat black with a white 1.1 gain screen.

What settings are you using for non-HDR material, such as blu ray?

EDIT: Nevermind, I looked at your settings again and realised you listed both HDR and non-HDR settings.

So would you say these are the most commonly used settings in this thread now? Does anyone still use Harpervision? I seem to recall Harpervision settings using a HDR source but forcing the projector to output SDR or something. Is this still necessary?

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Thanks man. It's a dedicated room painted flat black with a white 1.1 gain screen.

What settings are you using for non-HDR material, such as blu ray?

EDIT: Nevermind, I looked at your settings again and realised you listed both HDR and non-HDR settings.

So would you say these are the most commonly used settings in this thread now? Does anyone still use Harpervision? I seem to recall Harpervision settings using a HDR source but forcing the projector to output SDR or something. Is this still necessary?
Unless you have same hardware you can't say that this is common general settings.
Its way of my settings which is defined by proper use of professional meter and software.

So in general if you can't calibrate with a meter, use default settings from factory and tune brightness and contrast using corresponding patterns from a disc or similar.

btw... you should NOT use color mode Natural for HDR since you will not get wide color gamut.
Only color mode Digital cinima will provide WCG
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Unless you have same hardware you can't say that this is common general settings.
Its way of my settings which is defined by proper use of professional meter and software.

So in general if you can't calibrate with a meter, use default settings from factory and tune brightness and contrast using corresponding patterns from a disc or similar.

btw... you should NOT use color mode Natural for HDR since you will not get wide color gamut.
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ok, this is confusing. So are Rob's settings incorrect then since he used Natural? should I not be using anyone's settings in here, including Harpervision?

If so, what's the best factory picture setting to use for both HDR and non-HDR?
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Unless you have same hardware you can't say that this is common general settings.

Its way of my settings which is defined by proper use of professional meter and software.



So in general if you can't calibrate with a meter, use default settings from factory and tune brightness and contrast using corresponding patterns from a disc or similar.



btw... you should NOT use color mode Natural for HDR since you will not get wide color gamut.

Only color mode Digital cinima will provide WCG


Everything is a generalization and I stated when I posted them that I use an alr screen and rob a power gain white screen. Also, for hdr you have to do something to gamma and color to make it remotely watchable. Finally, when you actually calibrate your projector with a meter you realize hat you actually don’t loose much by using natural over digital cinema and the additional light output you gain FAR outweighs a virtually imperceptible increase in color. As it turns out humans suck wind viewing differences in color but are excellent at determining minor differences in contrast. So I will always make the choice when calibrating that gives me more contrast over better color.


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ok, this is confusing. So are Rob's settings incorrect then since he used Natural? should I not be using anyone's settings in here, including Harpervision?



If so, what's the best factory picture setting to use for both HDR and non-HDR?


No they are not wrong because they use natural. HDR calibration on a projector is all about compromises and both rob and I chose more light output over very minor increases in color gained by using the color filter. Also, the hogwash that you should only use factory settings when you can’t calibrate is just that. Give different settings a try and tweak for your environment. Will it be perfect, no. But it may look better to you and worst case you reset the settings back to factory baseline.


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No they are not wrong because they use natural. HDR calibration on a projector is all about compromises and both rob and I chose more light output over very minor increases in color gained by using the color filter. Also, the hogwash that you should only use factory settings when you can’t calibrate is just that. Give different settings a try and tweak for your environment. Will it be perfect, no. But it may look better to you and worst case you reset the settings back to factory baseline.


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Thanks for the advice man. I've saved your settings, Rob's and Harpervisions in a file so I can try all 3 when I set up my projector. What is different with your settings compared to Harpervision?

Side note, but do you know of any UHD calibration discs available? I remember when I bought my last TV, I didn't calibrate it as the cinema mode was actually pretty good, I just used a calibration disc to adjust the brightness and contrast for the room.
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Thanks man. It's a dedicated room painted flat black with a white 1.1 gain screen.



What settings are you using for non-HDR material, such as blu ray?



EDIT: Nevermind, I looked at your settings again and realised you listed both HDR and non-HDR settings.



So would you say these are the most commonly used settings in this thread now? Does anyone still use Harpervision? I seem to recall Harpervision settings using a HDR source but forcing the projector to output SDR or something. Is this still necessary?

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You’re very welcome I’m glad they are working out well for you! I also completely agree that each of mine and @robc1976 settings are excellent and have qualities I greatly enjoy. After what must have been at least 20 hours learning how to calibrate for HDR and applying it to the Epson, you really have to make some tough decisions with respect to HDR and projectors. Robs settings accentuate specular highlights and simulated HDR exceptionally well, but at the expense of mid tone contrast and subsequent pop. My original settings maximize contrast and pop at the expense of shadow detail and specular highlights. In other words more of a stylized HDR simulation with high peak brightness but reduced mid tone dynamic range. Finally, my new settings basically say to hell with simulating HDR as I purposely boosted low end gamma shrinking the dynamic range but gaining image detail in darker areas. This decision killed specular highlights to a degree but makes the image much more filmic and natural which I personally prefer. Ultimately though, one can not go wrong using either of the settings exclusively or a combination of all three. They are each excellent in their own way and there is no right answer as to which one is better, as they are the direct reflection of the compromises/decisions you must make when calibrating a projector for HDR.

As a side note, with all of the talk in this thread about quality issues I sometimes forget how friggen awesome this projector is. I just rewatched Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows as a torture test for my new settings and the image was truly jaw dropping and I actually chuckled at one point because it looked so good lol. Moments like that really make all the money spent on my system and time perfecting it worth it. And thank you again for sharing your thoughts.


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Here’s where I describe some different assumptions made when calibrating for HDR. Neither is more correct just a different approach to solve the issues of displaying hdr on projectors. Dave’s assumption when using SDR is basically that we are doing an HDR to SDR conversion anyway to display the content so why mess around with elaborate tone mapping upfront. The result is an image with an accurate but overall compressed image that looks a bit washed out imo especially on smaller screens where the compressed mid range tones aren’t aided and darkened by reduced light reaching each part of the image. Once again though Dave just uses a different approach to tackle the problems of displaying hdr on a projector. None of our approaches are better then the other imo just different.







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Thanks for the advice man. I've saved your settings, Rob's and Harpervisions in a file so I can try all 3 when I set up my projector. What is different with your settings compared to Harpervision?



Side note, but do you know of any UHD calibration discs available? I remember when I bought my last TV, I didn't calibrate it as the cinema mode was actually pretty good, I just used a calibration disc to adjust the brightness and contrast for the room.
There is not simple calibration disc that I am aware of for HDR. Unfortunately HDR calibration is a dang mess and requires a meter to have any chance at doing something remotely watchable. If you do get a meter there is a whole thread dedicated to 5040 calibrations but it is not for the faint of heart. I’ve probably spent well over 40 hrs total figuring out how to calibrate hdr and still struggle with reconciling the impact contrast, color management system and gamma all have on each other. The 5040 doesn’t help matters either as it’s calibration tools are a mess, especially the horrible gamma graph.

For SDR you really don’t have to do more then you have already done. Some minor tweaks with a calibration disk get you 95% of the way there and an excellent image.


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