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Thank you and here are the different settings I came up with 4K Blu, 4K 60hz HDR Gaming, HDR Netflix, and SDR Content. Let me know how they work for you!




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Hello there,

I set up my 5040 with these settings that you used with your XBOX S...I'm using a Sony UDP-X800 player....These settings did work the best for me out of all other trys.....However, for my room, some scenes can be a bit on the light side......Any suggestions on what I could do to tone down a bit of the brights without messing up the picture.....It just seems a tiny bit washed out....just want to add a bit more color to it...I wasn't sure on which setting to change....the Gamma or ???? Thanks for your help...much appreciated!!
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Looking forward to these but also another question regarding the screen... You are a strong proponent of grey alr screens. But how are they at an angle? I sit quite close up to the screen (around 9/10ft away) and have a large screen (135inch) so would the sides appear dimmer than the center of the screen or would it mean having to get a smaller screen? I had a da-lite white screen for a few years which now needs replacing so trying to see whether to get something like the elite cinewhite or their cinegrey 5d to go with this projector. I have white walls, white ceiling, and a window with full blackout curtains.


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I'm in a similar situation. Have a 16:9 150" Cinegrey 1.3 and LOVE it!
But recently took out side cabinets and now have way more room and have noticed most films are in 2:35 and have been wanting to go 2:35 while keeping the same height as my 16:9 150" that I have been use to (for films that are still in 16:9 and gaming) and looks like I have to go with a 175" at 2:35 and unfortunately Elite Screens does NOT make the Cinegrey 1.3 in that size


They only have White 1.1 and Cinegrey 1.5. The grey gives such an AMAZING contrast and deeper blacks especially for darker films like Star Wars. And feel 1.5 in the grey world is WAY too much. My room is panted a dark color including the ceiling and at night it is pitch black. I've never used white so not sure what to expect if I go that route.


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It would be awesome if you could share the values from your calibration!


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Not sure if my other reply went through....Sorry if it"s a duplicate.....

I set up my 5040 with these settings that Orcus Varuna used with the XBOX S...I'm using a Sony UDP-X800 player....These settings did work the best for me out of all other tries.....However, for my room, some scenes can be a bit on the light side......Any suggestions on what I could do to tone down a bit of the brights without messing up the picture.....It just seems a tiny bit washed out....just want to add a bit more color to it...I wasn't sure on which setting to change....the Gamma or ???? Thanks for your help...much appreciated!!
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Not sure if my other reply went through....Sorry if it"s a duplicate.....



I set up my 5040 with these settings that Orcus Varuna used with the XBOX S...I'm using a Sony UDP-X800 player....These settings did work the best for me out of all other tries.....However, for my room, some scenes can be a bit on the light side......Any suggestions on what I could do to tone down a bit of the brights without messing up the picture.....It just seems a tiny bit washed out....just want to add a bit more color to it...I wasn't sure on which setting to change....the Gamma or ???? Thanks for your help...much appreciated!!


Try my newer settings using natural instead of bright cinema. The PDF was posted a few posts back


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I'm in a similar situation. Have a 16:9 150" Cinegrey 1.3 and LOVE it!
But recently took out side cabinets and now have way more room and have noticed most films are in 2:35 and have been wanting to go 2:35 while keeping the same height as my 16:9 150" that I have been use to (for films that are still in 16:9 and gaming) and looks like I have to go with a 175" at 2:35 and unfortunately Elite Screens does NOT make the Cinegrey 1.3 in that size


They only have White 1.1 and Cinegrey 1.5. The grey gives such an AMAZING contrast and deeper blacks especially for darker films like Star Wars. And feel 1.5 in the grey world is WAY too much. My room is panted a dark color including the ceiling and at night it is pitch black. I've never used white so not sure what to expect if I go that route.


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Get a sample of the 1.5 they aren’t that different and the hot spotting you typically get with the 1.5 at smaller sizes should be an issue at all with 175” screen


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Get a sample of the 1.5 they aren’t that different and the hot spotting you typically get with the 1.5 at smaller sizes should be an issue at all with 175” screen


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You guys are talking about the Elite Cinegrey 5D, right? Some might say talking about screens is off topic but my question is in regard to the Epson 5040. Regarding how the 5040 projects does this apply/is compatible with the 5040 (stated in the Cinegrey 5D specs):
  • 88% polarization retention
  • Angular-Reflective and Ambient Light Rejecting technology
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You guys are talking about the Elite Cinegrey 5D, right? Some might say talking about screens is off topic but my question is in regard to the Epson 5040. Regarding how the 5040 projects does this apply/is compatible with the 5040 (stated in the Cinegrey 5D specs):

  • 88% polarization retention
  • Angular-Reflective and Ambient Light Rejecting technology


Yes we’re talking about the Elite Cinegray 5D, which is compatible with the 5040.

As an aside, I personally think screen match conversations with this particular projector are perfectly valid discussion points for this thread as a screen is a vital component of displaying the best image possible. The 88% polarization retention means reduced cross talk with passive 3D (not applicable with this projector) and the angular reflective terminology is highlighting that the screen material rejects ambient off angle light.


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You guys are talking about the Elite Cinegrey 5D, right? Some might say talking about screens is off topic but my question is in regard to the Epson 5040. Regarding how the 5040 projects does this apply/is compatible with the 5040 (stated in the Cinegrey 5D specs):
  • 88% polarization retention
  • Angular-Reflective and Ambient Light Rejecting technology
Well, aside from electricity and program material (and of course the quadratic equation of Harpers/Orcus settings) the screens is MOST important.
I don't think anyone can say screen is off topic, since regardless of how perfect any settings are. You kinda need a screen to watch it on

I have the 3D, and it is prefect and really set on it. But as I inquired in my previous post, I am going to a larger screen where only Cinewhite 1.1 or Cinegrey 5D is available. I feel the 1.5 is way too much. I thought about getting samples, but I would have to get half a dozen to make a larger square collage to really get a better idea since mine is 150" and samples are typically 11x8.5"

Wanted to see if anyone out there had a Cinegrey and went to Elite Screens White and what differences did they notice?

Did you lose out on blacks being darker as they are in the ALR greys?
Did 3D movies at least pop out better on the white?

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Try my newer settings using natural instead of bright cinema. The PDF was posted a few posts back


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Thanks for replying Orcus Varuna.......I tried the "Natural" settings, but the colors aren't vibrant enough when playing a 4K disc......I like your Bright Cinema settings except for me, the whites need toned down a bit and colors a bit more vibrant. If I could figure out a combination of your bright setting and the default dynamic setting, that might work. I don't have the experience with gamma settings, etc......Can you give me a few tips on toning down the whites and keeping the colors deep enough...I tried turning down the brightness, but that didn't help? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated....Thx so much!!!
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Thanks for replying Orcus Varuna.......I tried the "Natural" settings, but the colors aren't vibrant enough when playing a 4K disc......I like your Bright Cinema settings except for me, the whites need toned down a bit and colors a bit more vibrant. If I could figure out a combination of your bright setting and the default dynamic setting, that might work. I don't have the experience with gamma settings, etc......Can you give me a few tips on toning down the whites and keeping the colors deep enough...I tried turning down the brightness, but that didn't help? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated....Thx so much!!!


It has to do with the gamma of that bright cinema setting you would really need a meter and hdr patterns to fix it properly. To increase the vibrance of the colors using my natural settings just boost the color saturation up to around 80. The colors will be over saturated in complete accuracy terms but will give you the desired “dynamic” look.


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Thanks again for replying so quickly....I tried turning up the saturation to 80 with Natural setting, but still wasn't happy with the picture. The bright cinema with the auto bright default setting seems to work pretty well for me too..Dynamic looks good, but has some slight yellow overtones...I don't have access to a meter or knowledge to test that....I have the Disney Wow calibration blu ray that came out a while ago, but I'm sure that's way out of date these days. Plus, after a while, it seems your eyes starting playing tricks on you.) Also, once you get one disc looking okay, another disc may look different......
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Thanks again for replying so quickly....I tried turning up the saturation to 80 with Natural setting, but still wasn't happy with the picture. The bright cinema with the auto bright default setting seems to work pretty well for me too..Dynamic looks good, but has some slight yellow overtones...I don't have access to a meter or knowledge to test that....I have the Disney Wow calibration blu ray that came out a while ago, but I'm sure that's way out of date these days. Plus, after a while, it seems your eyes starting playing tricks on you.) Also, once you get one disc looking okay, another disc may look different......
You can't use WOW for HDR settings. If you have a dark (light controlled) room, I would re-try Harpervision which uses Digital Cinema as it will give you a good colour palate. Remember to set the dynamic range to SDR when using it.

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Thanks for the update...I'll give the Harpervision settings a try again....To clarify, using Harpervision's digital cinema setting, do I keep the customized color temps at their default level.....??? Thx
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Thanks for the update...I'll give the Harpervision settings a try again....To clarify, using Harpervision's digital cinema setting, do I keep the customized color temps at their default level.....??? Thx
We don't have these settings so default or tweak to your taste.

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Hi, all. First-time post (but have been a lurker on this forum for about a month). I've decided to get the 5040ub. It arrives next week, along with a 110" Screen Innovations Slate 1.2 ALR screen. Distance from the projector to screen is about 13'. I get that 18mbps would be ideal, but there is next to no info on when the 5040ub replacement is set to arrive. Maybe they announce at CES '19, but even then, it could be a month to six months before they are available. Plus, I got a screamingly good deal on the Epson.

My set-up is in a basement with two window wells 0one alongside the projector, and one about 25' across the room). Not huge ambient light, but some. I have the following equipment:

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- Denon AVR-S930H

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- PS4 (older)
- Nintendo Switch

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- Chromecast 4K (will this output in 4K/24?)
- Fire Stick 4K (because we use our Fire HD10 (current gen) tablet with our Harmony hub as a remote)

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Harmony Companion w hub (although we use a FireHD10 tablet as the primary remote-I sideloaded the Harmony app)

Any thoughts on settings? Looks like Orcus and Harpervision are popular here. Would they work for my room/set-up? Any others I should consider? Anything else you'd want to know become answering?
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Thanks avtoronto for the help...I retried the Harpervision settings ...This time I made sure I had everything as listed.....It looks fantastic for HDR....I think the problem I had previously were my gamma settings were incorrect...........I've found that the bright cinema (auto bright) works best for me with standard blu rays. I also found that the Ultra Premium 4k discs look the best ...such as The Revenant and The Martian for some examples......Thanks again for the help!!! Much appreciated!!
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Hi, all. First-time post (but have been a lurker on this forum for about a month). I've decided to get the 5040ub. It arrives next week, along with a 110" Screen Innovations Slate 1.2 ALR screen. Distance from the projector to screen is about 13'. I get that 18mbps would be ideal, but there is next to no info on when the 5040ub replacement is set to arrive. Maybe they announce at CES '19, but even then, it could be a month to six months before they are available. Plus, I got a screamingly good deal on the Epson.



My set-up is in a basement with two window wells 0one alongside the projector, and one about 25' across the room). Not huge ambient light, but some. I have the following equipment:



AVR:

- Denon AVR-S930H



Gaming devices:

- PS4 (older)

- Nintendo Switch



Streaming devices:

- Chromecast 4K (will this output in 4K/24?)

- Fire Stick 4K (because we use our Fire HD10 (current gen) tablet with our Harmony hub as a remote)



Remote:

Harmony Companion w hub (although we use a FireHD10 tablet as the primary remote-I sideloaded the Harmony app)



Any thoughts on settings? Looks like Orcus and Harpervision are popular here. Would they work for my room/set-up? Any others I should consider? Anything else you'd want to know become answering?


My settings would work well for you as I run a Cinegrey 3d which is a comparable screen to the slate 1.2.


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Question for Dave (or anyone else who can answer). If I wanted to run Harpervision using the 820, what settings would I use on the player? Currently on my 900, I leave everything default. Would it be the same case with the 820? or is there a bit more to it?
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Question for Dave (or anyone else who can answer). If I wanted to run Harpervision using the 820, what settings would I use on the player? Currently on my 900, I leave everything default. Would it be the same case with the 820? or is there a bit more to it?

I would leave it with HDR/BT2020 active just like your 900, but engage the HDR Optimizer so it can tone map 4,000 nit titles down to about 1,000 nits since my HarperVision is based on I believe around 1,000 - 1,200 nits for that model.

I would also try SDR/BT2020 on it using a standard SDR setting with a gamma of about 2.4, just to see how it looks in comparison.
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I would leave it with HDR/BT2020 active just like your 900, but engage the HDR Optimizer so it can tone map 4,000 nit titles down to about 1,000 nits since my HarperVision is based on I believe around 1,000 - 1,200 nits for that model.

I would also try SDR/BT2020 on it using a standard SDR setting with a gamma of about 2.4, just to see how it looks in comparison.
Thanks, what about the screen type? Do I select Projector (500 nits), or the middle one which is 1000 nits?

and when you say 'standard SDR setting', what are you referring to?
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I got 5040UB in February '18, and I projected the image to cover a full 9' sage green wall. Amazingly, the projector renders the image very well during daylight or lights on (6-LED daylight bulbs), and it seems better than all of Carl's sample. Anyway, I use the projector as daily TV in the living room. I have always use ECO mode Bright Cinema, or ECO mode Cinema (movie). Epson rated the lamp up to 5000 hours on ECO mode. So far, the lamp life is about 2100 hours. This is my first projector. My question is when the lamp goes out, does it just die or blow up?


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Thanks, what about the screen type? Do I select Projector (500 nits), or the middle one which is 1000 nits?



and when you say 'standard SDR setting', what are you referring to?

I would say use the 1,000 nit one, but try both and pay particular attention to the white highlight details to make sure they aren’t blown out.

Standard SDR setting would be be the same mode that you use to watch things like standard HD Blurays, HDTV cable/satellite, etc.
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I would say use the 1,000 nit one, but try both and pay particular attention to the white highlight details to make sure they aren’t blown out.

Standard SDR setting would be be the same mode that you use to watch things like standard HD Blurays, HDTV cable/satellite, etc.
Hello Dave,
question about this with regards to other UHD players such as the Sony ubp-x800 that I own. Are there any setting (if the ones mentioned above aren't available) that need to be tweaked in other to maximize the picture quality?

Currently outside of indicating screen size, shape (ratio 16:9), and 4k upscaling of non-4k discs, I don't make any other adjustments to the picture/video settings. The same can be said for my Pioneer SC-99 AVR, I have that so that it simply passes the video through without adding any enhancements.

Just wondering if there are any other settings that should be adjusted in order to maximize picture quality?
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I would say use the 1,000 nit one, but try both and pay particular attention to the white highlight details to make sure they aren’t blown out.

Standard SDR setting would be be the same mode that you use to watch things like standard HD Blurays, HDTV cable/satellite, etc.
As I've advised before with the 820, people should use the 'Middle Luminance' setting with HarperVision. Using the 'Projector' setting will noticeably lower peak white brightness.
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I got 5040UB in February '18, and I projected the image to cover a full 9' sage green wall. Amazingly, the projector renders the image very well during daylight or lights on (6-LED daylight bulbs), and it seems better than all of Carl's sample. Anyway, I use the projector as daily TV in the living room. I have always use ECO mode Bright Cinema, or ECO mode Cinema (movie). Epson rated the lamp up to 5000 hours on ECO mode. So far, the lamp life is about 2100 hours. This is my first projector. My question is when the lamp goes out, does it just die or blow up?


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Usually you would receive a projector message. I run my lamp on medium mode which is rated at 3500 Hrs., I swapped out the lamp and filter @ 3200 hrs. On a secondary note thus far I have not gotten the fast startup, interestingly enough.

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Usually you would receive a projector message. I run my lamp on medium mode which is rated at 3500 Hrs., I swapped out the lamp and filter @ 3200 hrs. On a secondary note thus far I have not gotten the fast startup, interestingly enough.

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It will certainly not blow up or stop working due to hours.
If you wait so long so that you will get a message you have probably seen by your self that colors are wahsed out.

Washed out colors starts pretty early, but normaly you get used of slowly degrees of brighness and you will notice it as soon as you change to a new lamp
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Thanks, what about the screen type? Do I select Projector (500 nits), or the middle one which is 1000 nits?



and when you say 'standard SDR setting', what are you referring to?


Try 500 ime it doesn’t blow out whites it just compresses the image to 500 nits max. It sounds like it would hurt the image but I find it just brightens everything thing up nicely that is lower nits (which is 95% of a film anyway) so I personally use that. I also find that it noticeably lowers peak white brightness which I don’t mind since I use autobright with my settings and not SDR like those of you that use Hapervision.


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Dave I am going to be moving soon and have to take the projector down anyway so I might be able to take you up on that offer. What state do you live in? With my luck probably Hawaii or Alaska so shipping will be about $400 from Florida
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Ding, ding, ding.....we have a winner!!! I am in Hawaii! but ............

.......I get super amazing rates with UPS from my job so I can setup the label and pass the savings on to you and then you just pay me the shipping costs.



@OrcusVaruna Did you get to move house ... and send your projector to Dave for free calibration? Or is this still yet to happen?



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@OrcusVaruna Did you get to move house ... and send your projector to Dave for free calibration? Or is this still yet to happen?



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I did not take advantage of it lol. By the time I got around to taking the projector down I was in full move mode unfortunately. Then when I got to my new place I really wanted to watch the giants try and go undefeated down the stretch so back up went the projector as soon as I moved in. The Giants lost and I don’t have a projector calibrated by Dave.




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