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post #16261 of 17705 Old 12-19-2018, 01:40 PM
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I use this for my 45' run. Have had it for over a year now and no problems.




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I just had one of those go bad after 2 years.
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Yes...a common occurrence for all owners. Why and when this happens (seemingly random) is unknown/unexplained by even Epson’s technical support personnel. It appears this occurrence is harmless and no relationship to any particular failure has ever been established. So, we continue to wonder and speculate as Epson leadership elects to remain silent.
What's really interesting is since I switched out my old lamp and put in a new lamp and filter I have not gotten the high speed fan noise (~200hrs.). Hopefully, I have not jinxed my self, knock on wood.

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What's really interesting is since I switched out my old lamp and put in a new lamp and filter I have not gotten the high speed fan noise (~200hrs.). Hopefully, I have not jinxed my self, knock on wood.

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Ditto!

And my new OEM lamp fires almost instantly!!!!!
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What's really interesting is since I switched out my old lamp and put in a new lamp and filter I have not gotten the high speed fan noise (~200hrs.). Hopefully, I have not jinxed my self, knock on wood.

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Ditto!

And my new OEM lamp fires almost instantly!!!!!
Hmmm...is a sample size of two telling us something Epson is not?

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Ditto!

And my new OEM lamp fires almost instantly!!!!!
where did you guys buy the new lamp? Also, how many hours were on the old one? what drove you to change it? and was there a significant difference in brightness?

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Tell me about it Dave! I'm so frustrated. I did ask him if he done one of these and he said he has done plenty. His other customers must not be as critical as me then, or they simply have no idea about 4K HDR.



I did tell him about your Harpervision as it is stored in my presets and asked him to do a CMS calibration on it, but he just kept saying 'your Epson can't do 2020 colour, so we can't do it'. He said 'It doesn't do a good job of WCG so you're better off calibrating for REC709 instead'. He said it didn't matter which method I used to play HDR content, whether it was Harpervision or using the Panasonic SDR2020 conversion, it didn't matter because the Epson cannot do 2020 colour correctly, so he wouldn't calibrate for it.



He tried to explain to me and basically said that the Epson in 'HDR mode' only achieves a bit more than REC709, so if he were to calibrate in that mode the colours would be grossly undersaturated, particularly the green as it doesn't reach anywhere near where it's supposed to for REC2020 colour, so he calibrates in REC709 instead.



I said that sounded odd as I've read of loads of people online calibrating this projector for WCG with great results, but he didn't really have much to say. just wouldn't budge and I didn't want to be rude.



Is there any truth to what he said? I feel like I'm back to square one now, so with an 820 I'm trying to get the best picture possible on this projector.



I wanted to ask, the calibration he did for me was done using Natural mode. he forced my player to output REC709. Is there any point in doing this, since Natural mode doesn't use the DCI P3 colour filter anyway? Can I leave the UB820 in SDR2020 mode?



I will say that the colours of his calibration look great in Natural mode, but for now I'm still using SDR2020 with standard Epson settings using Digitla Cinema colour mode, as I feel like I may be missing out on the benefits of UHD discs otherwise. If I simply wanted to adjust brightness and contrast using SDR2020, which test patterns do I use? The R. Masciola ones, or those SDR test patterns from a few years back (forgot the name)?



Unfortunately I live in Australia otherwise I'd happily send you my Epson.

He is correct in that no consumer and almost all pro displays can’t do full BT2020 color yet. Although he’s using that as his reasoning not to calibrate your Projector to that, which is wrong. Currently the specs use BT2020 profile as a way of future proofing the spec for when they can do full BT2020. What they are doing now is putting the equivalent of DCI-P3 color gamut (used by Digital Cinema) inside of the BT2020 “container”. So what he should have done is set his color calibration software to the appropriate setting for BT2020/DCI-P3 and calibrated to that. This would give you significantly wider color gamut than REC709, but yes less than full BT2020.

There was NO reason for him not to do this! The 5040 has a DCI color filter internally to allow it to reach that wide of a color gamut, as mentioned here many times. You have to be in the Cinema or Digital Cinema Modes for it to engage. You do lose some brightness with it in the light path though, which is pretty much why I came up with my HarperVision technique to bring the brightness back for better HDR brightness and specular highlights.
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Found a pretty good article that walks you through the differences between REC709 DCI P3 and REC 2020... I am no expert, I just took what Dave Harper said in the last post and applied them to a google search :P
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where did you guys buy the new lamp? Also, how many hours were on the old one? what drove you to change it? and was there a significant difference in brightness?

Thanks in advance.
Bought from B & H New York, old one had about 2,000 hrs on it and it burned out/quit.

Display seemed brighter with new lamp. Original lamp never seemed very happy..

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He is correct in that no consumer and almost all pro displays can’t do full BT2020 color yet. Although he’s using that as his reasoning not to calibrate your Projector to that, which is wrong. Currently the specs use BT2020 profile as a way of future proofing the spec for when they can do full BT2020. What they are doing now is putting the equivalent of DCI-P3 color gamut (used by Digital Cinema) inside of the BT2020 “container”. So what he should have done is set his color calibration software to the appropriate setting for BT2020/DCI-P3 and calibrated to that. This would give you significantly wider color gamut than REC709, but yes less than full BT2020.

There was NO reason for him not to do this! The 5040 has a DCI color filter internally to allow it to reach that wide of a color gamut, as mentioned here many times. You have to be in the Cinema or Digital Cinema Modes for it to engage. You do lose some brightness with it in the light path though, which is pretty much why I came up with my HarperVision technique to bring the brightness back for better HDR brightness and specular highlights.
Yeah I don't know why he didn't bother. I think later down the track I want to try get someone else to calibrate or buy the gear and learn to do it myself.

For now I've been going back and forth between Harpervision and putting the player in SDR2020 mode with the slider at +2 and Optimizer turned on. Can't really notice a difference between the 2. If I wanted to do a 2.4 gamma calibration, do you know what figures would get me close without measuring it?
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Just got my 5040ub set up and love it so far.

What do you guys recommend for settings I have a Xbox One S and was going to run it through the built in calibration there.

Is there any way to get it to connect to wifi? I herd a dongle Epson sells might help that (forgot to run cat5e to the ceiling).

Has anyone been able to get the Harmony Hub to work with it?

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Just got my 5040ub set up and love it so far.

What do you guys recommend for settings I have a Xbox One S and was going to run it through the built in calibration there.

Is there any way to get it to connect to wifi? I herd a dongle Epson sells might help that (forgot to run cat5e to the ceiling).

Has anyone been able to get the Harmony Hub to work with it?

Thanks!
You will need the "Optional" wifi dongle to do this. Then it's pretty easy. This is mainly for connecting to your home network. Firmware still needs to be done via a zip drive in your USB port.

I didn't have a "Hub" but my Harmony would work with this PJ. I've got large fingertips, so I had issues using the Harmony controller..

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Does anyone have any good SDR calibration settings for BT2020? I can't figure it out. No matter what I do it just doesn't look right.

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I am confused. Why would you want SDR settings with BT2020 which is HDR? That is why it looks funny. The only way to to make it look correct forcing SDR with a BT2020 signal is to use Dave Harpers, Harper Vision settings which is discussed in this thread a million times. The link is in Daves profile a few posts above yours.
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I am confused. Why would you want SDR settings with BT2020 which is HDR? That is why it looks funny. The only way to to make it look correct forcing SDR with a BT2020 signal is to use Dave Harpers, Harper Vision settings which is discussed in this thread a million times. The link is in Daves profile a few posts above yours.
Because he's probably using a player to output SDR2020, which is what I do. The player takes the UHD disc and converts the signal to SDR2020 before sending it to the Epson, which is just another way to skin the cat (an alternative to Harpervision). When I do this they look comparable to me, and I don't notice anything funny at all.
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Hadn't seen this posted elsewhere, but this may push me over the edge to upgrade now from my HC-8500ub to a HC-5040ub

Free Lamp by mail-in on purchase of Home Cinema 5040UB or 5040UBe projector

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I am confused. Why would you want SDR settings with BT2020 which is HDR? That is why it looks funny. The only way to to make it look correct forcing SDR with a BT2020 signal is to use Dave Harpers, Harper Vision settings which is discussed in this thread a million times. The link is in Daves profile a few posts above yours.


BT2020 isn’t HDR per se’. It is part of the total spec, but BT2020 specifically is a color gamut. It is in the same class as BT/Rec709, DCI-P3, BT/Rec601, etc. only much wider in color gamut coverage than those. BT709 is the color gamut for HD signals, DCI-P3 is essentially for Digital Cinema and BT/Rec601 is for old 480i/p signals like DVD, SDTV, etc.

HDR and SDR are dynamic ranges and the levels of grey/Luminance (black through full white) and its associated gamma.

You can have HDR BT2020, which is what is encoded on things like UHD Blu-rays and Streaming, but you can do HDR to SDR tone mapping conversions and still maintain the BT2020 wider color gamut for more intense and saturated colors as encoded in the original file. This is what SDR BT2020 is, and the Panasonic UB820 does it the best of all UHD Blu-ray players.
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He's gone now (from another state), so there's no option to do another calibration. I tried to push for it but he kept saying it couldnt be done because basically the Epson sucked at HDR. Either he can't do HDR calibrations, or he's right and the results aren't worth it, but thats unlikely as I've seen plenty of people here do it.

I'm just really disappointed and annoyed. I feel like I've wasted a lot of money for nothing.
Was he an ISF certified, cause he was full of BS the HDR is awesome. Once the last firmware came out and made it a bit brighter I leave mine set on 2020 for everything there is very little that I watch that isn't HD or 4K anyway.

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Bought from B & H New York, old one had about 2,000 hrs on it and it burned out/quit.

Display seemed brighter with new lamp. Original lamp never seemed very happy..

Happy Holidays all!!
Is this the bulb you bought just wanted to make sure, Thanks.

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Is there any consensus whether or not the power supply failure issues on the 5040ub have been ironed out or not on fresh units coming off the production line?

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Is there any consensus whether or not the power supply failure issues on the 5040ub have been ironed out or not on fresh units coming off the production line?
Epson has chosen to be less than transparent about the PSU issue since its initial reported occurrences. Until Epson elects to break its silence, a PSU problem is anecdotal and pure conjecture. Bottom line, the consumer community has no way of knowing.
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He's gone now (from another state), so there's no option to do another calibration. I tried to push for it but he kept saying it couldnt be done because basically the Epson sucked at HDR. Either he can't do HDR calibrations, or he's right and the results aren't worth it, but thats unlikely as I've seen plenty of people here do it.

I'm just really disappointed and annoyed. I feel like I've wasted a lot of money for nothing.


He just can’t do HDR calibrations or more likely he knows how much of a pita it is on the 5040 and he didn’t want to invest the multiple hours it takes to get it right on the 5040. For example it took me about 40 minutes to calibrate my Vizio m series for hdr but it took me about 12 hours over multiple days to get it right on the 5040.


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Is there any consensus whether or not the power supply failure issues on the 5040ub have been ironed out or not on fresh units coming off the production line?

At CEDIA 2018, I was told by a long-time friend and Epson exec that the power supply problem had been fixed. From the performance of my current (and 3rd 6040) I believe him.


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At CEDIA 2018, I was told by a long-time friend and Epson exec that the power supply problem had been fixed. From the performance of my current (and 3rd 6040) I believe him.


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This information is appreciated and thank you for sharing...but anecdotal nevertheless. Your friend is obviously more responsible than the leadership of his company. Think about how consumers came to know this information...from an owner/enthusiast on an internet forum who has a friend at Epson. My earlier comments of transparency and responsibility were in reference to, for example, Onkyo leadership who "publicly" acknowledged a reported product failure, provided a remedy process, and extended warranties for those affected. This is minimally what should be expected in today's age of transparency of any responsible corporate entity.
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I own the 5040ube, having issues connecting my Klipsch rsb-11 to hdmi arc.
It only works through optical through the wireless he transmitter or Bluetooth through an optical Bluetooth transmitter.

I have a switch, cable box, and Apple TV (sound only works through Bluetooth, no idea why when my switch and cable box work through the optical) all connect to the 3 inputs for hdmi in the Klipsch. From there, I have the hdmi/Tv out to the HDMI input 1 directly to the projector.
I have no sound...

Thoughts? Or am I wrong that the 5040ube has hdmi arc?

I’ve also tried running it hd wireless, where the hdmi put on the transmitter goes into the hdmi in on the Klipsch on all Devices connected to the hd transmitter. No sound?

Thoughts?
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Been reading through this thread., but haven't been able to figure out if there is a solution to the Netflix HDR thing. In my case, through the Roku Ultra the signal is now coming in stating HDR, but at 1080P. On my regular setting, the image is too dark. On the setting I use for 4K HDR Blu-rays, it looks washed out. I'm watching Jessica Jones as my reference. When I access Netflix via my Sony 800 4k player, it shows that it is receiving it as 4K HDR. But it still looks washed out when using my 4k HDR settings (which still looks incredible on 4K HDR Blu-rays). From my understanding, I shouldn't be receiving 4K and HDR at the same time from Netflix with the 5040ub. But no matter which signal - Roku or Sony - the image is washed out when using my usual 4K HDR setting. Do I need to create a whole new setting just for Netflix content? Honestly, it looked so much better when it was just 4K without HDR. Trying to figure out why Netflix HDR looks so different from Blu-ray HDR. Would love to know what options are open to me for Netflix viewing on the 5040UB. Thanks and happy holidays!
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I'm using my "harpervision" settings for HDR for some while now with great satisfaction.
This setting forces the projector in sdr and compensates by cranking contrast to 100, among a greatly adjusted cms and gamma.

I came along some movies that still looked too dark with these settings. I don't know why these movies are too dark, I would have to check the metadata to see if I can find some connection. So yesterday I did a calibration with the same settings, but the gamma stayed at "only" -2.

It's more difficult to get all the saturation points of the colors at the right spot this way, but the result is an extremely vibrant picture that really pops, without it looking oversaturated.

I'm really happy with this approach to calibrate HDR, to my belief it is the only way to really get out the potential of HDR out of this projector. This projector has so much potential for HDR, it even achieves a color gammut a bit larger then P3 (except for red), but it can be a P.I.T.A to find the right settings.
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Ok so looking at the settings he made for me, it seems he's calibrated HDR using 'Natural' colour mode, which is what a few have done here (Orcus). If this is the case, is there any reason to force the player to output REC709 since Natural mode does not use the REC2020 colour space?

That sucks I’m sorry he did that. As @dimi123 said it’s absolutely a trade off as you gain lumens by using natural but loose in overall color saturation. Don’t get me wrong your pulling hairs with the differences as great hdr2020 simulations are possible using either with this projector. Also, since many of you asked I have been working over the past few weeks on a digital cinema calibration out to p3/2020. I will post them for you so you can give them a shot. I did calibrate to SDR2020 but still much prefer feeding the projector an hdr signal and using my own custom gamma settings.


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Was he an ISF certified, cause he was full of BS the HDR is awesome. Once the last firmware came out and made it a bit brighter I leave mine set on 2020 for everything there is very little that I watch that isn't HD or 4K anyway.
Yeah he's ISF certified. He's correct about the Epson not doing a good job of HDR. The brightness output is just too low to properly display HDR (we measured it). Ever seen a top quality TV outputting HDR? Does a far better job than this projector.

I'm like you, the majority of the content I watch is in 4K, so I'm not even using his settings now which is sad. I usually do either Harpervision or I convert to SDR2020. What settings are you using?
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He just can’t do HDR calibrations or more likely he knows how much of a pita it is on the 5040 and he didn’t want to invest the multiple hours it takes to get it right on the 5040. For example it took me about 40 minutes to calibrate my Vizio m series for hdr but it took me about 12 hours over multiple days to get it right on the 5040.


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It's probably this to be honest. Had I known he wouldn't do an HDR calibration I would have cancelled.


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That sucks I’m sorry he did that. As @dimi123 said it’s absolutely a trade off as you gain lumens by using natural but loose in overall color saturation. Don’t get me wrong your pulling hairs with the differences as great hdr2020 simulations are possible using either with this projector. Also, since many of you asked I have been working over the past few weeks on a digital cinema calibration out to p3/2020. I will post them for you so you can give them a shot. I did calibrate to SDR2020 but still much prefer feeding the projector an hdr signal and using my own custom gamma settings.


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Curious, but why do you prefer feeding the player a HDR2020 signal? Do you have a Panasonic UB820 as well? Because the general consensus with this player is that you get a better picture on a projector when using SDR2020. Curious to see what you've come up with, although my environment is different to yours (dedicated room with black walls and ceiling).
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