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post #1621 of 17945 Old 10-10-2016, 09:47 AM
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Hello,

is the issue only there when viewing material that is being "streamed" or do blu-rays and other media exhibit the same?

I've mentioned before, I see it in all players all sources as long as it is 24p. I think I may be more sensitive than others.

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but from 5010e to 5040ube ?

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Greetings all! First off, if you're trolling around trying to decide whether or not to upgrade your 5030ub to the 5040ub, I say a resounding GO FOR IT!! It's a huge improvement. Ps. And it's HUGE! It looked so similar that I was quite shocked at how much bigger it is. But it fit and looks amazing, so WOOT!

I've been going back and forth about going from my 5030ub to the 5040ub, because I haven't had an opportunity to compare the two side by side. My friend recently had an opportunity to compare the two and advised me not to make the change...he said there is a difference, but not significant enough to change. In addition, I don't have any 4K sources.


- But I am trolling around trying to decide to upgrade from the 5010e to the 5040ube, I have spent the last two weeks changing settings on my 5010e and now have my picture quality much higher than before. And this is with a bulb with 3900 hours on it.
So really up in the air on whether to upgrade or not .
Wish I could see one in person.
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I've mentioned before, I see it in all players all sources as long as it is 24p. I think I may be more sensitive than others.

I believe that this has more to do with the source material than with the equipment.

I notice the same effect hat you are referring to on some 24p content with the Epson 5040, the JVC x550r and my Pioneer Kuro plasma.

I have also tried all of the above mentioned displays with PS3, PS4, Samsung 8500 and the Panasonic ub900 (my current player of choice) and it makes very little difference.

Even "reference material" like Life of Pi has some trouble on certain scenes. For example, the beginning of the chapter in the church when the camera pans down in the field.

All displays that I have tried show me the same result unless I use a lot of frame interpolation which I don't enjoy.
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how much does the pixel shifting improve the picture when watching live sports? Mainly Football
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how much does the pixel shifting improve the picture when watching live sports? Mainly Football

Great question! I'd also like to know this, as I just took delivery last friday, and will be getting the room set up really soon. I expect a lot of remaining sunday ticket days to be at my house!
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Great question! I'd also like to know this, as I just took delivery last friday, and will be getting the room set up really soon. I expect a lot of remaining sunday ticket days to be at my house!
We will look forward to your report then

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how much does the pixel shifting improve the picture when watching live sports? Mainly Football


For me the biggest benefit is that when enabled, the pixel shifting dramatically improves the pixel fill rate. I never turn it off! You can sit way closer now without seeing the pixel grid. It really is amazing in that sense.

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how much does the pixel shifting improve the picture when watching live sports? Mainly Football
Depends on your service. I use Comcast and football looks pretty crappy no matter what. Waaay too compressed.
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Depends on your service. I use Comcast and football looks pretty crappy no matter what. Waaay too compressed.


Depends on the channel too...
Local games for me are not that great.
Prime time games on Thursday, Sunday and Monday nights look a lot better.
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Depends on your service. I use Comcast and football looks pretty crappy no matter what. Waaay too compressed.

Yes the close ups between plays look great, but the zoomed out view for the actual plays looks terrible, really have to wonder what kind of cameras they use for the live action


I have Direct TV and NFL sunday ticket for my service,


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For me the biggest benefit is that when enabled, the pixel shifting dramatically improves the pixel fill rate. I never turn it off! You can sit way closer now without seeing the pixel grid. It really is amazing in that sense.

does it make a noticeable difference on the zoomed out live action shots during the football plays ?
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We will look forward to your report then
LOL. I've got some serious setting up to do in the basement, not including flooring, and installing power receptacles and running HDMI (which cable) to the two possible PJ ceiling mount locations.

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Yes the close ups between plays look great, but the zoomed out view for the actual plays looks terrible, really have to wonder what kind of cameras they use for the live action


I have Direct TV and NFL sunday ticket for my service,





does it make a noticeable difference on the zoomed out live action shots during the football plays ?
Comcast looks pretty bad either way. Even the static graphics on the screen that display the score get all broken up anytime there is something going on.
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Comcast looks pretty bad either way. Even the static graphics on the screen that display the score get all broken up anytime there is something going on.
This is on the 5040, right? I have same experience with DirectTV on a 5030 and it depends on the channel. Closeups look great, zoomed out and it gets not so sharp.

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LOL. I've got some serious setting up to do in the basement, not including flooring, and installing power receptacles and running HDMI (which cable) to the two possible PJ ceiling mount locations.

Off topic, but I just took delivery of the yamaha Rx-A2050 from AC4L. How do you like your 3060? I couldn't pass up the feature set on the 2050 for $999, despite the accusations that the amps in the yammies are weak compared to the rest of the market when bench tested on the all Irrelevant "sine wave test"...
LOL - I guess the term "really soon" may have been a bit over-optomistic in your reply then.

The A3060 is a nice unit. As you can tell from my prior posts I used to have one of the original 7.1 channel Yammy RX-V2400 (no HDMI connections) prior to this one. It had all the power needed and the 3060 continues that task with the additional 4 Atmos speakers (2 of which are powered off two channels of my Niles WHA amp). The 2060 won't leave you wishing for more power at all.

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Overall I'm just extremely unimpressed with Comcast's video quality on a projector. It's pretty good on a 60" but blown up to 133" and it's merely passable. Netflix looks incredible though.
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Overall I'm just extremely unimpressed with Comcast's video quality on a projector. It's pretty good on a 60" but blown up to 133" and it's merely passable. Netflix looks incredible though.

The problem with most channels is they are broadcast in 720p or 1080i ESPN is 720P I don't think any broadcast channels are in 1080p


Netflix and VUDU are in 1080p Pretty sure HULU is also.


Had HBO Now to get caught up on game of thrones but didn't seem to have the best quality streaming

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Does anyone think that HDR with Xbox one S is possible to fix with a Firmware update by either Epson or Microsoft? Or is it a purely hardware issue?

Could the lack of HDR with Epson on many other players including Xbox one S be considered misleading or false advertising, by Epson not stating there is limited compatibility for HDR.

Follow up question: When will the next round of new projectors be coming out from any company, and do you think HDR issues would be resolved by then.
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Just got my new Roku 4k hooked up. It's fantastic. The Smithsonian Earth 4K channel really shows off this projector. Amazingly bright and colorful running at 24hz.



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Does Netflix 4K HDR work with the new roku?


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Does Netflix 4K HDR work with the new roku?


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Doesn't seem to work, although, it does say HDR next to the name of the show. It says HDR but doesn't output in HDR 4K.

Roku Display Setting: 4K UHD TV


Roku Display Setting: 4K UHD TV HDR (outputs Netflix at 1080p pool for some reason).



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^^^^^
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^^^^^
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LOL! My exact response. I won't return it as I'm upgrading from a gen 1 PrimeTV. Hope they firmware the kinks.

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Sorry if this has been posted already. This is from Epson's FAQ and states what Epson says are compatible signals for HDR. All I see are a lot of "NOs"

How can they claim this as an HDR projector when it doesn't work for any signal? Or am I missing something important here?


Compatible Signals

Display format Chroma subsampling 8-bit (SDR only) 10-bit 12-bit
4K (60p) 4:4:4 No No No
4:2:2 No No No
4:2:0 Yes No No
4K (24p) 4:4:4 Yes No No
4:2:2 Yes Yes Yes*
4:2:0 This signal is not supported.


WirelessHD Transmitter Compatible Signals (PowerLite Home Cinema 5040UBe only)

Display format Chroma subsampling 8-bit (SDR only) 10-bit 12-bit
4K (60p) 4:4:4 No No No
4:2:2 No No No
4:2:0 Yes No No
4K (24p) 4:4:4 Yes Yes* Yes*
4:2:2 Yes Yes Yes*
4:2:0 This signal is not supported.

*This signal is processed at 4:2:2 10-bit.
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Looks like it's an issue with the Netflix app. Here is Man In The High Castle running in UHD HDR on the Amazon App.



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I'm holding off for a PS4 pro. I hope it supports HDR. Sony has a good track record of constantly updating the console so we will see. I loved my PS3 for bluray with constant updates keeping it relevant

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Thanks hope this gets fixed soon


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Looks like it's an issue with the Netflix app. Here is Man In The High Castle running in UHD HDR on the Amazon App.



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Can you run it at 10bit 4:2:0?


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I took the Jungle Book Blu-ray to Bjorn's today to view it on the Epson 6040. Unfortunately, they don't have the 5040. It only took 10 seconds to notice how much better the contrast was on the 6040. The brightness, color of the trees, color/detail of the birds in the first few minutes of the movies was significantly better. The screen was a Screen Innovations Slate, which is the same screen I use. In addition, the Blu-ray player was the same one I use. Now the only dilemma, 5040 or 6040?
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Don't the 6040 and the 5040 have the same specs?


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