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I imagine there are 5040 users here that are using the Panasonic UB820 player as well. Can someone share the proper setting on the UB820 with this projector ?


Thanks in advance.
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- HDR/Color Output to SDR/BT.2020 (Auto)
- Set Color Mode to Ycbr 4:2:2
- Leave Deep COlor Output to Auto (12bit Priority)
- Set HDR TV Type to Basic Luminance
- Resolution to Auto, 4k60p Off, 24p output Auto, DV Off, HDR10+ Off

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https://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-di...l#post48956017

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AFAIK...the cover only comes with the 6040 in black...but I think it may be available as an option at cost.
Thanks! I happened to find those threads and already have one on the way. I am most interested in having it closer to the ceiling than my current mount allows, but the apparent added security is a plus. This PJ is much more massive than the Panny AX200 it replaced.


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No...if it doesn't close completely...give Epson a call.
I should clarify. The lens cover closed after use last night, however, when I took it out of the box it was 2/3 of the way open. That's my concern. In addition, the input-port cover is missing, so I am now a little paranoid. Note, the vendor is highly-credible, so I am sure I can swap or just get the part sent. I just need to understand what is bad or not.

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Welcome to the club.
- HDR/Color Output to SDR/BT.2020 (Auto)
- Set Color Mode to Ycbr 4:2:2
- Leave Deep COlor Output to Auto (12bit Priority)
- Set HDR TV Type to Basic Luminance
- Resolution to Auto, 4k60p Off, 24p output Auto, DV Off, HDR10+ Off
Yay! Was going to ask. Does that open up the slider on the player? These are the setting I am using, I can't seem to find that HDR slider option.

What setting on the PJ are you using (or have tried)?

Thx

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Yay! Was going to ask. Does that open up the slider on the player? These are the setting I am using, I can't seem to find that HDR slider option.

What setting on the PJ are you using (or have tried)?

Thx
Correct, with the SDR output, the HDR button requires a long press to open the settings (Option button) does the same. You then use the luminescence slider to make adjustments. I'm used Orcus Natural 4k settings with a calibration pass (no meter). I'll find a link to my post from late last year for you to try.

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Yay! Was going to ask. Does that open up the slider on the player? These are the setting I am using, I can't seem to find that HDR slider option.

What setting on the PJ are you using (or have tried)?

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Hope this helps you on the path to 4k Nirvana.
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I upgraded to the 5040UB in April and have been upgrading the components through my systems to get to 4K and finally added the UB820 a couple of weeks ago. I’ve enjoyed Rob’s and Orcus video settings and finally decided to jump into a calibration of my own (no light meter or cal SW).
I used the DVE, Spears, and WOW discs to dial in the SDR/BT2020 video based on a recommendation from Kris and his testing of the 820 and its tone mapping. My first pass was with the DVE and then the Spears disc, and finally the WOW disc that has great video tests from actual movies.
I discovered a big red push with Surrogates and Pirates and I used the 820 to dial it back under a second profile. It seemed better, still bothers me that I had to set 2 SDR settings in the 820 after dialing in the 5040.
I then pulled up the Masciola HDR patterns and ran thru them to ensure that there wasn’t anything too off. Below are my settings while watching John Wick UHD. I need to figure out Gamma and how it affects the image and do another pass. Any advice or suggestions are appreciated.

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Thanks. Is it I have to select SDR on 5040 ? Also, do u turn on the Optomizer on the 820 too ?

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- HDR/Color Output to SDR/BT.2020 (Auto)
- Set Color Mode to Ycbr 4:2:2
- Leave Deep COlor Output to Auto (12bit Priority)
- Set HDR TV Type to Basic Luminance
- Resolution to Auto, 4k60p Off, 24p output Auto, DV Off, HDR10+ Off

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My image at 48 looks more like your adjusted image. Strange that there would be so much difference between models, or perheps the difference between the tw9300 and ub5040?

Sorry I have not got back to you sooner, I have not had time to start calibrating & testing settings out but I have just started looking at them again & what you said got me thinking. I mean your right even though there are differences projector to projector I would not have thought it would be as much as our differences.

So I decided to clear your memory & re-enter all your settings again from scratch & then check the black & white clipping patterns. I double checked to make sure I entered them all correctly.

With brightness at 52 & contrast at 100 I still cannot see level 68 barely flashing I need to increase brightness to 57 & that is probably a little to low. Its hard to get this setting right as the Epson menus are very bright causing the iris in your eyes to constrict which makes your ability to perceive these very dark black details impossible.

Even after waiting for five minutes for my eyes to re-adjust, if level 68 is flashing it is only very slightly.

With contrast at 100 on the white clipping pattern I get 1,108 nit level flashing so no problems there.

I am going to try & calibrate the grayscale using only the two point controls & then I will check the black & white clipping patterns to see if they are effected.


Just for reference here are the settings I am using:


Color mode cinema

Brightness 52
Contrast 100
Satuation 58
Tint 100
Lamp medium

Dynamic range sdr

Gamma 0; -21; -32; -32; -32; -29; -22; +22; +32

Super white Off

R 22 60 52
G 48 63 50
B 47 66 50
C 27 67 50
M 44 50 50
Y 29 87 50

Image enhancement preset 4

Colour temp 5
Tint 3

Custom
49 48 50 50 50 22
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Thanks. Is it I have to select SDR on 5040 ? Also, do u turn on the Optomizer on the 820 too ?

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- HDR/Color Output to SDR/BT.2020 (Auto)
- Set Color Mode to Ycbr 4:2:2
- Leave Deep COlor Output to Auto (12bit Priority)
- Set HDR TV Type to Basic Luminance
- Resolution to Auto, 4k60p Off, 24p output Auto, DV Off, HDR10+ Off


These settings are incorrect if you want to view HDR content & use the optimiser. They need to be as follows:

- HDR/Color Output to HDR/BT.2020 (Auto)
- Set Color Mode to YCbCr (Auto)
- Deep Color Output to Auto (12bit Priority)
- Set HDR TV Type to Middle or High Luminance LCD



These settings will allows the optimiser to work correctly & give you the option of letting either the player or the projector to provide tone mapping depending on how you have your settings configured on your projector & player.
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Sorry I have not got back to you sooner, I have not had time to start calibrating & testing settings out but I have just started looking at them again & what you said got me thinking. I mean your right even though there are differences projector to projector I would not have thought it would be as much as our differences.

So I decided to clear your memory & re-enter all your settings again from scratch & then check the black & white clipping patterns. I double checked to make sure I entered them all correctly.

With brightness at 52 & contrast at 100 I still cannot see level 68 barely flashing I need to increase brightness to 57 & that is probably a little to low. Its hard to get this setting right as the Epson menus are very bright causing the iris in your eyes to constrict which makes your ability to perceive these very dark black details impossible.

Even after waiting for five minutes for my eyes to re-adjust, if level 68 is flashing it is only very slightly.

With contrast at 100 on the white clipping pattern I get 1,108 nit level flashing so no problems there.

I am going to try & calibrate the grayscale using only the two point controls & then I will check the black & white clipping patterns to see if they are effected.


Just for reference here are the settings I am using:


Color mode cinema

Brightness 52
Contrast 100
Satuation 58
Tint 100
Lamp medium

Dynamic range sdr

Gamma 0; -21; -32; -32; -32; -29; -22; +22; +32

Super white Off

R 22 60 52
G 48 63 50
B 47 66 50
C 27 67 50
M 44 50 50
Y 29 87 50

Image enhancement preset 4

Colour temp 5
Tint 3

Custom
49 48 50 50 50 22


Now I get it. You are using my previous settings. Since then I made a new one with the gamma at -2. Look for that settjng please, that one is much better imo.
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Welcome to the club.
- HDR/Color Output to SDR/BT.2020 (Auto)
- Set Color Mode to Ycbr 4:2:2
- Leave Deep COlor Output to Auto (12bit Priority)
- Set HDR TV Type to Basic Luminance
- Resolution to Auto, 4k60p Off, 24p output Auto, DV Off, HDR10+ Off


These settings are incorrect if you want to view HDR content & use the optimiser. They need to be as follows:

- HDR/Color Output to HDR/BT.2020 (Auto)
- Set Color Mode to YCbCr (Auto)
- Deep Color Output to Auto (12bit Priority)
- Set HDR TV Type to Middle or High Luminance LCD



These settings will allows the optimiser to work correctly & give you the option of letting either the player or the projector to provide tone mapping depending on how you have your settings configured on your projector & player.
And herein lies the dilemma: there are two separate schools of thought on the 820's settings.

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Now I get it. You are using my previous settings. Since then I made a new one with the gamma at -2. Look for that settjng please, that one is much better imo.

Right, so to confirm with you again these are the settings you want me to try:

Settings nielvm HDR

Colour mode Cinema
Brightness 48
Contrast 100
Colour saturation 80
Tint 100
Sharpness 5,5,5

Colour temp 5
Skin tone 3

Customized Colour Temp

Offset R 49 - Offset G 49 - Offset B 50
Gain R 50 - Gain G 50 - Gain B 27

Image Enhancement: Image Preset Mode 5
Gamma: -2

R 32, 79, 50
G 48, 93, 50
B 47, 73, 50
C 25, 87, 50
M 43, 87, 50
Y 20, 83, 50

Super White off
Lens Iris 0
Power Consumption Medium
Auto Iris Normal
Signal Advanced Menu HDMI Video Range - Dynamic Range SDR
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I imagine there are 5040 users here that are using the Panasonic UB820 player as well. Can someone share the proper setting on the UB820 with this projector ?


Thanks in advance.
For HDR content I personally recommend running HarperVision. The 820 can then be set to hdr/color output Auto, a display type of Middle Luminance, and HDR Optimizer On. This maps all content to 1000nits, which is pretty darn close to HarperVision which is calibrated to about 1100nits. You can then use the HDR adjustment slider a click or two to adjust to preference.

HarperVision settings (I use w/oledurt suggestions) can be found here: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-di...l#post55178352
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Right, so to confirm with you again these are the settings you want me to try:

Settings nielvm HDR

Colour mode Cinema
Brightness 48
Contrast 100
Colour saturation 80
Tint 100
Sharpness 5,5,5

Colour temp 5
Skin tone 3

Customized Colour Temp

Offset R 49 - Offset G 49 - Offset B 50
Gain R 50 - Gain G 50 - Gain B 27

Image Enhancement: Image Preset Mode 5
Gamma: -2

R 32, 79, 50
G 48, 93, 50
B 47, 73, 50
C 25, 87, 50
M 43, 87, 50
Y 20, 83, 50

Super White off
Lens Iris 0
Power Consumption Medium
Auto Iris Normal
Signal Advanced Menu HDMI Video Range - Dynamic Range SDR


Yes, only the yellow tint went from 20 to 35...
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Yes, only the yellow tint went from 20 to 35...
So red offset is still at 49 rather than 47?

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So red offset is still at 49 rather than 47?

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Re-checked everything with the settings above.

Differences:
As said yellow tint 35 and not 20
Red brightness in cms 44 and not 50
Red offset 47
Green offset 45


These are small changed I’m making trying to perfect the image.

I took a lot of comparison pictures with my settings vs orcus HDR settings in natural mode. Will post them if people are interested.
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Re-checked everything with the settings above.

Differences:
As said yellow tint 35 and not 20
Red brightness in cms 44 and not 50
Red offset 47
Green offset 45


These are small changed I’m making trying to perfect the image.

I took a lot of comparison pictures with my settings vs orcus HDR settings in natural mode. Will post them if people are interested.

So to be clear these are your current settings for gamma -2:


Settings nielvm HDR

Colour mode Cinema
Brightness 48
Contrast 100
Colour saturation 80
Tint 100
Sharpness 5,5,5

Colour temp 5
Skin tone 3

Customized Colour Temp

Offset R 47 - Offset G 45 - Offset B 50
Gain R 50 - Gain G 50 - Gain B 27

Image Enhancement: Image Preset Mode 5
Gamma: -2

R 32, 79, 44
G 48, 93, 50
B 47, 73, 50
C 25, 87, 50
M 43, 87, 50
Y 35, 83, 50

Super White off
Lens Iris 0
Power Consumption Medium
Auto Iris Normal
Signal Advanced Menu HDMI Video Range - Dynamic Range SDR
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Yes and to be complete I’m hesitating - against all logic of measurements - to lower green gain to 35. My skin tones in the brightest scenes still bothered me...

Will still have to check with different material to be sure.
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Definitly keeping green gain at 35 for the moment, yellow tint can come back to about 22 then...

Sorry for all the confusion, still crawling towards perfection... Will keep you updated when something changes again.
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I’m loving this projector and am amazed how good 1080p even looks on it. It’s like magic! Lol

I personally like the Bright Cinema setting out of the box. I’ve read some comments here and plan to try out some custom settings. I prefer an image that “pops”...like that in Dolby Cinema compared to the normal soft film look. Curious which settings here I should try if I want that bright and punchy look.
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And herein lies the dilemma: there are two separate schools of thought on the 820's settings.
Here's where I need help on how to think about this. I have the 820, which will be my source for:
1080p Blu-ray
4K Blu-ray
4K Blu-ray with some form of HDR
Blu-ray 3-D
maybe Netflix (which may be 4K)
maybe Amaz

and
Cable TV
Fire Stick 4K
Etc

I'd like to limit the amount of special settings I use.

I think the recco with the 820 was to turn of HDR and force to SDR/BT.2020. By doing so can I have a single setting when I use the player? Do I need a different one for each mode of Blu-ray?

How should I think about my settings with other 4K (HDR or not) sources?
How should I think about my setting with other 1080p sources?

Thanks in advance!

PS What is everyone using for calibrations? My last disc was DVE (480p). Anything good and inexpensive for the PC or Mac?

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What does "Lens Iris" 0 to -14" mean in the @OrcusVaruna setting (and others)? I know it goes from 0 to -14... what does that setting do anyway?

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What does "Lens Iris" 0 to -14" mean in the @OrcusVaruna setting (and others)? I know it goes from 0 to -14... what does that setting do anyway?
The epson has an iris that opens up or closes according to the brightness of the scene to achieve the best possible picture. This is the dynamic iris.

Asside from that, you can also define the lens iris from 0 to -20. This remains fixed for all scenes. In general a calibrator will define the desired light output with these settings (for sdr around 16ftl), so the projector has enough light output, but with respect for black levels. You can open it more, but the black levels will rise as well.
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Hdr

Yes, I do need the setting for HDR than SDR since most 4K uhd Blu-ray are in HDR.


QUOTE=AdamAttewell;57464030]Welcome to the club.
- HDR/Color Output to SDR/BT.2020 (Auto)
- Set Color Mode to Ycbr 4:2:2
- Leave Deep COlor Output to Auto (12bit Priority)
- Set HDR TV Type to Basic Luminance
- Resolution to Auto, 4k60p Off, 24p output Auto, DV Off, HDR10+ Off


These settings are incorrect if you want to view HDR content & use the optimiser. They need to be as follows:

- HDR/Color Output to HDR/BT.2020 (Auto)
- Set Color Mode to YCbCr (Auto)
- Deep Color Output to Auto (12bit Priority)
- Set HDR TV Type to Middle or High Luminance LCD



These settings will allows the optimiser to work correctly & give you the option of letting either the player or the projector to provide tone mapping depending on how you have your settings configured on your projector & player.[/QUOTE]

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Yes, I did use the Harpervision setting before a private calibration with Oppo 203. But now I do have the 820, n hope to get a stand alone HDR setting for 820, that will work with 5040 on HDR material.

QUOTE=Lithium;57464488]For HDR content I personally recommend running HarperVision. The 820 can then be set to hdr/color output Auto, a display type of Middle Luminance, and HDR Optimizer On. This maps all content to 1000nits, which is pretty darn close to HarperVision which is calibrated to about 1100nits. You can then use the HDR adjustment slider a click or two to adjust to preference.

HarperVision settings (I use w/oledurt suggestions) can be found here: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-di...l#post55178352[/QUOTE]

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Definitly keeping green gain at 35 for the moment, yellow tint can come back to about 22 then...

Sorry for all the confusion, still crawling towards perfection... Will keep you updated when something changes again.
Thank you for sharing your settings and the changes your finding,They are giving us some great results.Cheers
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Thank you for sharing your settings and the changes your finding,They are giving us some great results.Cheers
Glad you like them!

The custom gamma curve is a curious thing with this Epson. Yesterday I tried to simulate the "-2" gamma in a custom curve (for eventual finetuning). -2 gamma translates in a custom gamma of about 0, -9, -14, -14, -14, -14,...
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Glad you like them!

The custom gamma curve is a curious thing with this Epson. Yesterday I tried to simulate the "-2" gamma in a custom curve (for eventual finetuning). -2 gamma translates in a custom gamma of about 0, -9, -14, -14, -14, -14,...
I am using your HDR settings and will adjust to your latest tweaks. Curious to know your thoughts on the output settings for the Panasonic 820 player with your projector settings: HDR/Rec2020 or SDR/Rec2020?

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I am using your HDR settings and will adjust to your latest tweaks. Curious to know your thoughts on the output settings for the Panasonic 820 player with your projector settings: HDR/Rec2020 or SDR/Rec2020?


I don’t have the Panasonic so I couldn’t say...

The whole advantage of harpervision is that you don’t clip whites, have enough light output, keep p3,... with my settings with gamma -2 you also have plenty of shadow detail.
Personally I don’t see what still needs optimizing now...

I don’t know exactly what the Panasonic does so I couldn’t say these settings make the player useless but for me it makes me feel like looking at a whole new projector and not wanting to upgrade any time soon (but you never know).
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For those interested I spent several hours tweaking the grayscale on four picture modes (Orcus Natural, Orcus Digital Cinema, Neilvm Custom Gamma & Neilvm -2 Gamma) to see how accurate I could get the grayscale with only adjusting the two point controls.


I also found that adjusting the two point controls also effects the brightness & contrast controls so there was lots of checking the black & white clipping patterns, measuring & adjusting the two point controls & then rechecking the black & white clipping patterns to see if they had been adversely effected & if so adjusting them & then rechecking the grayscale.


The errors show in the images below are going to originate from differences in projectors from unit to unit, screen materials & ambient light conditions, but as you can see great improvements can be made in the greyscale with a little tweaking.


Neilvm Custom Gamma: Default Settings



Neilvm Custom Gamma: Two Point Adjusted



Neilvm -2 Gamma: Default Settings



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Orcus Natural: Default Settings



Orcus Natural: Two Point Adjusted



Orcus Digital Cinema: Default Settings


Orcus Digital Cinema: Two Point Adjusted



After viewing content over all four modes I prefer Neilvm's custom gamma settings & Orcus's Natural settings.


Even after tweaking the two point I still feel that Orcus's digital cinema looks very green but I did not have time to have another look at them again but I will be honest I probably wont use it due to the drop in light output from the filter being placed in the light path away as his natural mode is much brighter for me.


The results probably are not much use to anyone except me really as they are only for my room, projector & screen but its interesting to see how much error can occur with these factors at play.

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Thanks. Is it I have to select SDR on 5040 ? Also, do u turn on the Optomizer on the 820 too ?
Leave the 5040 to Auto, it will accept whatever the 820 sends, which is SDR BT2020. I and several others use this to bypass the 5040 HDR Tone Mapping according to Kris who tested the 820 and worked with Panasonic engineers to confirm what it was doing with the metadata and Optimizer.

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In the display types the projector one is 500 nits, OLED and mid brightness are 1000 nits with slightly different color processing from each other (due to WRGB compensation for OLED), and high bright is 1500.

I would NOT recommend using projector with projectors. I would ALWAYS recommend using SDR2020. SDR2020 does NOT use these modes; this was confirmed by me in testing and from Panasonic's head engineer for this player. When using the SDR2020 output mode, the HDR Optimizer is ignoring the display type and applying a tone map based on the values in the metadata. The display brightness is dictacted by the slider in the same menu with a default value of 350 nits. If you use SDR2020 with Optimizer off, it tone maps all content to 1000 nits peak and the slider works the same.

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