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I've been going back and forth about going from my 5030ub to the 5040ub, because I haven't had an opportunity to compare the two side by side. My friend recently had an opportunity to compare the two and advised me not to make the change...he said there is a difference, but not significant enough to change. In addition, I don't have any 4K sources.
Well all I can say is that at 106" screen and 11 feet viewing distance, the 5040ub and its pixel shifting completely blew my mind and how much better it looked than my beloved 5030ub. My opinion. I then went out and got an Xbox one s for a little 4k source. LOVE IT!
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With the Xbox one S what 4K mode can you run it at with the Epson? 30hz 4:2:0. 10bit?


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My question is:

What is the difference between Cinema and Digital Cinema? And should I be using one over the other?

5040Ube
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Xbox One S (got this just for the 4k/UHD stuff)
PS4
Apple TV
Any one have a clue about this ^^ ??

Also, is it possible to "force" HDR?? When playing a 4k HDR bluray on my Xbox One S, I switched the color space setting on the 5040ub to BT.2020 and it made the colors pop. Am I just screwing with it and faking an "improvement"????
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Any one have a clue about this ^^ ??



Also, is it possible to "force" HDR?? When playing a 4k HDR bluray on my Xbox One S, I switched the color space setting on the 5040ub to BT.2020 and it made the colors pop. Am I just screwing with it and faking an "improvement"????


Both of those modes use the color filter in the light path. I believe no other mode uses it. Don't know the differences though.

I don't think you should be changing the color space settings. They need to match the source, as does Auto mode. I tried what you are saying once, noticed the pop but it looked really unnatural with blown out bright areas and crushed darks. It's not a good look.

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Can you run it at 10bit 4:2:0?


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Not from what I can see. Maybe someone has had success on another streamer/player.

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Not from what I can see. Maybe someone has had success on another streamer/player.
ok thanks
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Which is odd because the original XB1 does 24Hz output on blu ray.
I think the Xbox One S will switch to 4Kp24 for a 4K Blu-ray, but the problem is it won't get that far unless your display first does 4Kp60 10-bit?

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Looks like it's an issue with the Netflix app. Here is Man In The High Castle running in UHD HDR on the Amazon App.

Doesn't look like that is really HDR since it says 8-bit. But it is engaging BT.2020 HDR2 mode on the projector.

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With the Xbox one S what 4K mode can you run it at with the Epson? 30hz 4:2:0. 10bit?
I think you can run 4Kp60 8-bit RGB. But you won't get BT.2020 or HDR from a 4K Blu-ray or 4K streaming services if I remember correctly.
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I think this will be a daunting task to get everything back together and working perfectly. Also I am pretty sure that it will void your warranty. Imagine telling your car dealer that you took your new car completely apart and now, after putting it back together it has a problem. Do you think your dealer will fix it under warranty?
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I think the Xbox One S will switch to 4Kp24 for a 4K Blu-ray, but the problem is it won't get that far unless your display first does 4Kp60 10-bit?



Doesn't look like that is really HDR since it says 8-bit. But it is engaging BT.2020 HDR2 mode on the projector.



I think you can run 4Kp60 8-bit RGB. But you won't get BT.2020 or HDR from a 4K Blu-ray or 4K streaming services if I remember correctly.
So you think Epson is faking it ! I thought HDR is like Dolby Atmos that one cannot implement it, but can only get it if the files are encoded with it. Right ???

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I have read all of both threads and the review links as well as the manual and am concerned about the 24p motion playback. Is there a 4:4 pulldown option in the menu like on my old epson to reduce judder on panning for 24p material ?
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Official Epson 5040ub/6040ub owners thread

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I have read all of both threads and the review links as well as the manual and am concerned about the 24p motion playback. Is there a 4:4 pulldown option in the menu like on my old epson to reduce judder on panning for 24p material ?


No there isn't. Epson however has confirmed it does a 10:10 pull down on 24p content. (240hz)

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No there isn't. Epson however has confirmed it does a 10:10 pull down on 24p content. (240hz)
Even better ! That should make for some smooth playback. The people with motion problems with FI turned off must just have incorrect settings somewhere.
Thanks for the quick reply -time to let the moths out of the wallet.
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No there isn't. Epson however has confirmed it does a 10:10 pull down on 24p content. (240hz)
hi, you're not alone with the issue you reported with 24p playback. I wonder if there are certain batches affected if everyone isn't seeing the same thing.

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I put some hours on the 5040 this weekend and I can say that there something wrong with the 24fps motion on this projector. I read about that in another thread and can confirm the issue is real. When send a 24fps signal (any movie), the motion look like 15 fps. (eshift on or off). Seem also related to image quality. Some 720p sources look like crap, Older 1080p sources look bad, new 1080p source look barely ok and 4k seem just ok. I try to play with all setting but nothing seem to change that. The 60fps signal seem to look ok.
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Still wondering....what are the Samsung and Xbox One sending now that you are using the correct HDMI port? Before you had said that both were sending 1080p / 4:4:4 / 8 or 10-bit / Rec 709...
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I haven't forgotten you. I am traveling and won't have ability to confirm things for you until the weekend.

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Streaming with HDR

I think in order to get HDR via streaming, the streaming content will need to be sent from the player at 24p. Netflix needs to better partner with streaming devices to implement this option. Hopefully the new google device will allow for Netflix content at 24p rather than 60p.
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Performed update procedure today. It was a breeze. Love owning a product I can update myself. My old projector didn't allow that. Had to be sent in. Ugh.
Please share how you did this. I went thru the whole menu including the network tab and didn't see anything about an "update" choice.

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Viche,

I haven't forgotten you. I am traveling and won't have ability to confirm things for you until the weekend.

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Last week an Epson tech told me that the One S and the Samsung would not work.

Maybe something has changed
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Please share how you did this. I went thru the whole menu including the network tab and didn't see anything about an "update" choice.

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you need to download the update, format a USB drive to either FAT or FAT32
move the downloaded file to the USB
take out ur projector power cable
plug in the USB
click the power button and then re attach the power cable
u will see the 3 status lights go on, keep pressing. when they are solid after about 7 seconds release, they will start flashing meaning the update is being written to the device
the projector will turn itself off, when it does take out the usb and power it back on
done.
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hi, you're not alone with the issue you reported with 24p playback. I wonder if there are certain batches affected if everyone isn't seeing the same thing.


Hi zombie. Wow that is EXACTLY how I describe the issue myself. Where was this posted? Thanks!!

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Don't the 6040 and the 5040 have the same specs?


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Per projectorcentral.com, other than being black vs white, the 6040 has the same features as the 5040 with the following extras:
ISF Certification
3 year warranty (vs 2)
Ceiling mount, cable cover
Extra lamp
Available via CEDIA and specialty dealers only

Also noted on the site is that compared to the 5030/6030, the xx40 models are new from the ground up.
http://www.projectorcentral.com/proj...e&entry_id=712

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you need to download the update, format a USB drive to either FAT or FAT32
move the downloaded file to the USB
take out ur projector power cable
plug in the USB
click the power button and then re attach the power cable
u will see the 3 status lights go on, keep pressing. when they are solid after about 7 seconds release, they will start flashing meaning the update is being written to the device
the projector will turn itself off, when it does take out the usb and power it back on
done.
Keep pressing the power button?????


Thank you!!!!!!!!!
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Per projectorcentral.com, other than being black vs white, the 6040 has the same features as the 5040 with the following extras:
ISF Certification
3 year warranty (vs 2)
Ceiling mount, cable cover
Extra lamp
Available via CEDIA and specialty dealers only

Also noted on the site is that compared to the 5030/6030, the xx40 models are new from the ground up.
http://www.projectorcentral.com/proj...e&entry_id=712

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There is one statement that is wrong here, and I have seen it stated repeatedly...

The 6040UB does NOT include ISF certification.

What is DOES include is..."Exceptional video performance — includes ISF®-certified calibration tools and lockable memory modes to ensure accurate performance"

This quotation is from the 6040UB specifications on the Epson website.

Including the necessary tools for calibration and being calibrated are two different things.

If I am incorrect, I would be more than happy to have someone correct me.

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Good morning. Close to pulling the trigger on the 6040 for sports/movies/gaming.

Wondering how you think the image would look from 11.5 feet front row, 18 feet second row on a 153 diagonal 2.35:1 (123 inch diag for 16:9tv).

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Looks like it's an issue with the Netflix app. Here is Man In The High Castle running in UHD HDR on the Amazon App.


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Hmmm, I didn't seem to get HDR out of Man In The High Castle... I only checked the first episode, however. Running the new Roku Premiere + through a Pioneer SC-97. I'll have to play with my settings, methinks.
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There is one statement that is wrong here, and I have seen it stated repeatedly...

The 6040UB does NOT include ISF certification.

What is DOES include is..."Exceptional video performance — includes ISF®-certified calibration tools and lockable memory modes to ensure accurate performance"

This quotation is from the 6040UB specifications on the Epson website.

Including the necessary tools for calibration and being calibrated are two different things.

If I am incorrect, I would be more than happy to have someone correct me.
Also on Epson's site "...meets the ISF Certification standard". You do understand that being ISF compliant is a) having those calibration tools available within the projector (TV) and b) the training for professional engineers/calibrators. Being able to professionally calibrate to your specific environment means ISF certified. Not being professionally calibrated to your environment just means well, you may not be taking advantage of delivering the most accurate picture quality that is possible which a ISF certified projector can enable.

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There is one statement that is wrong here, and I have seen it stated repeatedly...

The 6040UB does NOT include ISF certification.

What is DOES include is..."Exceptional video performance — includes ISF®-certified calibration tools and lockable memory modes to ensure accurate performance"

This quotation is from the 6040UB specifications on the Epson website.

Including the necessary tools for calibration and being calibrated are two different things.

If I am incorrect, I would be more than happy to have someone correct me.

You are correct this is what Epson to me at CEDIA.

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Per projectorcentral.com, other than being black vs white, the 6040 has the same features as the 5040 with the following extras:
ISF Certification
3 year warranty (vs 2)
Ceiling mount, cable cover
Extra lamp
Available via CEDIA and specialty dealers only

Also noted on the site is that compared to the 5030/6030, the xx40 models are new from the ground up.
http://www.projectorcentral.com/proj...e&entry_id=712

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The 6040 also includes image stretch modes for support of anamorphic lenses and widescreen projection, same as the 6030. Those modes are not available on the 5040.
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Also on Epson's site "...meets the ISF Certification standard". You do understand that being ISF compliant is a) having those calibration tools available within the projector (TV) and b) the training for professional engineers/calibrators. Being able to professionally calibrate to your specific environment means ISF certified. Not being professionally calibrated to your environment just means well, you may not be taking advantage of delivering the most accurate picture quality that is possible which a ISF certified projector can enable.

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My point being that OOB the 6040UB is not ISF calibrated...

As I said previously, the 6040UB is certified as having the tools to be calibrated, but it is NOT OOB calibrated...

That will affect the value proposition for some people. It is not a bad thing...they simply need to be aware of the difference.

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My point being that OOB the 6040UB is not ISF calibrated...

As I said previously, the 6040UB is certified as having the tools to be calibrated, but it is NOT OOB calibrated...

That will affect the value proposition for some people. It is not a bad thing...they simply need to be aware of the difference.
Can't be calibrated because again, it's per your environment (lighting, room layout, screen, etc).
Sorry, I guess it could be calibrated OOB to match a certain generic layout with factory presets but that wouldn't do any good.
I think having the ability to professionally configure the projector to truly match my environment is the value proposition.


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Can't be calibrated because again, it's per your environment (lighting, room layout, screen, etc).
Sorry, I guess it could be calibrated OOB to match a certain generic layout with factory presets but that wouldn't do any good.
I think having the ability to professionally configure the projector to truly match my environment is the value proposition.


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I understand that it could not realistically come OOB calibrated.

But, I have seen countless posts sayiyng that it comes with ISF calibration. It does not.

I agree with you 100% re value proposition...


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