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The projector is capable of displaying 4K60 8bit HDR


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hi but 8bit it's not hdr
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hi but 8bit it's not hdr

Yes but for viewing movies which are mostly at 23Hz you can do 4k with HDR no problem. If you must have 60Hz then the 6050 is the one you want.
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hi but 8bit it's not hdr

Bit depth has to do with color not high dynamic range. With 8 bit HDR contrast gradations (displayed nits) are fully preserved what is lacking is color steps between each color. The following article explains bit depth quite well https://dgit.com/4k-hdr-guide-45905/amp/


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Bit depth has to do with color not high dynamic range. With 8 bit HDR contrast gradations (displayed nits) are fully preserved what is lacking is color steps between each color. The following article explains bit depth quite well https://dgit.com/4k-hdr-guide-45905/amp/


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I have lost your digital cinema settings I know they are in this thread somewhere but I have spent the last 30 mins looking for them & cant find them.


Can you post them again please?
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I have lost your digital cinema settings I know they are in this thread somewhere but I have spent the last 30 mins looking for them & cant find them.


Can you post them again please?
They are the first column on the left side of the spreadsheet





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So I haven’t played a source at 1080 for months without 4K enhancement turned on. So this morning I was getting ready for the SuperBowl so I put my ATV4K to output 1080 so I can use frame interpolation for the game and these odd vertical red lines are present that I can’t correct out with panel alignment or color uniformity. They disappear as soon as I put on 4K enhancement which makes me think it’s a panel issue masked by the pixel shifting. Anyone have any thoughts? Guess I’ll be calling Epson tomorrow for a replacement



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So I haven’t played a source at 1080 for months without 4K enhancement turned on. So this morning I was getting ready for the SuperBowl so I put my ATV4K to output 1080 so I can use frame interpolation for the game and these odd vertical red lines are present that I can’t correct out with panel alignment or color uniformity. They disappear as soon as I put on 4K enhancement which makes me think it’s a panel issue masked by the pixel shifting. Anyone have any thoughts? Guess I’ll be calling Epson tomorrow for a replacement

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That sucks, I will have a look at mine tonight with 4k enhancement off, I presume its more obvious with static images?



I presume you have tried a different source device to make sure its not the source at fault? Just a thought.



I wish you luck with Epson I dont know what Epson USA is like but over here in the UK I have had a great experience when dealing when them.


Many thanks for posting the settings again.
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That sucks, I will have a look at mine tonight with 4k enhancement off, I presume its more obvious with static images?



I presume you have tried a different source device to make sure its not the source at fault? Just a thought.



I wish you luck with Epson I dont know what Epson USA is like but over here in the UK I have had a great experience when dealing when them.


Many thanks for posting the settings again.

Thanks man I have tried multiple sources and my experience with epson has been much the same. I am just a bit irritated as this will be my 3rd one in the year since I purchased it. For a $3000 piece of equipment I expect better quality control. I think I’ll stamp my feet and see if I can get a new one instead of a refurb lol


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Dave, those settings he posted are actually oeldurt's take on HarperVision. I run those settings as well since they are the only ones with CMS data and I'm obviously extremely happy with them. They are listed in this older sheet that I always reference: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-di...l#post55178352
Correct, good spotting. I use this sheet too but didn't think to check. So we are back to Harpervision without the R/G/B/C/M/Y settings, unless adopting oledurt's suggestions.

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I really don’t understand what everyone’s issue is with HDR once one is using a proper 1000 nit calibration. I have no issues viewing any streaming content, playing games via my Xbox one x or watching a uhd Blu-ray via my Ub820 (set on the middle 1000nit display type). I feel like you all are running into issues because you’re fiddling with the settings myself and others have posted and not correcting for any changes this introduces to the black and white clipping points. If you make sure the full 1000 nit patterns are displaying after your fiddling you should have no issues and be able to display any 1000 nit source correctly.


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A big thanks to you and everyone else who has provided their calibration settings. If it is not too much trouble, can you explain a bit further what we should and should not fiddle with when adapting your settings to our setups? Perhaps a provide a short list of the settings that should be adjusted based on the individuals viewing conditions vs the ones that should be left alone. Thanks in advance.
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Best settings for Sports?

TV's have 120hz and 240hz for Sports. What is the equivalent for the projector?
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Tv's have 120hz and 240hz for sports. What is the equivalent for the projector?
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Correct, good spotting. I use this sheet too but didn't think to check. So we are back to Harpervision without the R/G/B/C/M/Y settings, unless adopting oledurt's suggestions.

Well I have been throwing all I can at Dave's setting using the cms settings recently brought to light and all I can say is f..king fantastic!!!
It made the worst transfer I have, Assassin's Creed very watchable indeed.


I have had my 9300 for about six weeks and have been having a fair old time trying all the settings that you thoughtful guys have posted.
Did try Dave's setting before but no way did the result compare to these current settings.


Recommend them most highly and send a great vote of thanks to Mr Harper.
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Well I have been throwing all I can at Dave's setting using the cms settings recently brought to light and all I can say is f..king fantastic!!!
It made the worst transfer I have, Assassin's Creed very watchable indeed.


I have had my 9300 for about six weeks and have been having a fair old time trying all the settings that you thoughtful guys have posted.
Did try Dave's setting before but no way did the result compare to these current settings.


Recommend them most highly and send a great vote of thanks to Mr Harper.

You’re very welcome! Don’t forget to thank Oledurt too. Where’s he been anyway?
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Here you can see what minimum is required for HDR, than it's up to each device to accept signal.
TW9300 accept 24Hz 4:2:2 12 bit despite datarange of 11.14GBPS
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Do u mind to show me the link of the recently discovered CMS setting ? Thanks

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Whoah what?!?!?! That’s awesome man! Where’d you get them? Were you an old customer of mine who bought a HarperVision 5040UB?

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Wow I wonder if that’s why so many folks said to me it looked “washed out” and I was baffled as f**k as to why they’d say that!
Please remind me... on the Panny820 would you use SDR/BT.2020 with these settings (or HDR)? If not, how would you change these setting?

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Well I have been throwing all I can at Dave's setting using the cms settings recently brought to light and all I can say is f..king fantastic!!!
It made the worst transfer I have, Assassin's Creed very watchable indeed.


I have had my 9300 for about six weeks and have been having a fair old time trying all the settings that you thoughtful guys have posted.
Did try Dave's setting before but no way did the result compare to these current settings.


Recommend them most highly and send a great vote of thanks to Mr Harper.
Hi. Are you using the Harpervision in the posts/spreadsheet plus the CMS posted by Dirt9? What player are you using? What output? Thanks!

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If this is the stuff that has been lost here it is,(R)50 23 50 (G)78 8 50 (B)68 30 50 (C)56 31 50 (M)76 31 50 (Y)44 29 50,I think every thing else is posted about 40 pages back.I have a silver ticket White AT screen and these settings look perfectly natural

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Well I have been throwing all I can at Dave's setting using the cms settings recently brought to light and all I can say is f..king fantastic!!!
It made the worst transfer I have, Assassin's Creed very watchable indeed.


I have had my 9300 for about six weeks and have been having a fair old time trying all the settings that you thoughtful guys have posted.
Did try Dave's setting before but no way did the result compare to these current settings.


Recommend them most highly and send a great vote of thanks to Mr Harper.
Try pulling the second gamma point to -30,the third to -26,seven up -14,brightness to 68 and color to 90,working these along with contrast can get you more pop.I think orcus originally was suggesting this tweak.
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I have a low cost AT screen and have to drive it really hard though
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For those of you running in natural or bright cinema,do you notice the dark scenes such as most of alien covenant or any other movie night scenes have a bluish tint them?.I haven't been able to use bright cinema or natural because of this.it just drives me crazy,but when I engage digital cinema it goes away,Im thinking of sending it in for warranty but am afraid of falling into the the power failure saga that so many have had to deal with!
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I have the blue tint where it should be black problem too. I tried switching different modes with no luck.

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I have the blue tint where it should be black problem too. I tried switching different modes with no luck.

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Do you think its normal for a lcd chip set and were just overly sensitive to it?
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Try pulling the second gamma point to -30,the third to -26,seven up -14,brightness to 68 and color to 90,working these along with contrast can get you more pop.I think orcus originally was suggesting this tweak.
Will do so.
I only have about 40 hours use on the PJ so I guess the settings will need adjusting as the lamp settles down.
I'm using the Oppo 203.
And thanks to oledurt too!
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Do you think its normal for a lcd chip set and were just overly sensitive to it?
Could be.. Forgot to mention it only happens when watching HDR, I use madvr to tonemap. SDR looks as it should.

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Please remind me... on the Panny820 would you use SDR/BT.2020 with these settings (or HDR)? If not, how would you change these setting?



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My HarperVision settings are based on receiving an HDR signal, so you’d use HDR/BT2020.

For SDR/2020 you would just use your normal SDR mode settings, not HarperVision.

I would try both and see which one you prefer. I haven’t used an 820 on a 5040 myself since it wasn’t out when I sold my last one.



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Do u mind to show me the link of the recently discovered CMS setting ? Thanks
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Hi. Are you using the Harpervision in the posts/spreadsheet plus the CMS posted by Dirt9? What player are you using? What output? Thanks!
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If this is the stuff that has been lost here it is,(R)50 23 50 (G)78 8 50 (B)68 30 50 (C)56 31 50 (M)76 31 50 (Y)44 29 50,I think every thing else is posted about 40 pages back.I have a silver ticket White AT screen and these settings look perfectly natural
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For those of you running in natural or bright cinema,do you notice the dark scenes such as most of alien covenant or any other movie night scenes have a bluish tint them?.I haven't been able to use bright cinema or natural because of this.it just drives me crazy,but when I engage digital cinema it goes away,Im thinking of sending it in for warranty but am afraid of falling into the the power failure saga that so many have had to deal with!
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Could be.. Forgot to mention it only happens when watching HDR, I use madvr to tonemap. SDR looks as it should.

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It’s probably because you’re using a mode designed for Rec709 colors but sending in BT2020/P3 which has a much wider color gamut, of which blue is usually widest so it’s showing up in content more. When you use Digital Cinema it engages the P3 filter designed for BT2020/P3 so it then expects that input signal and looks normal.
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Here you can see what minimum is required for HDR, than it's up to each device to accept signal.
TW9300 accept 24Hz 4:2:2 12 bit despite datarange of 11.14GBPS
It does by processing it at 24Hz 4:2:2 10bit which isn't in the table.

I think it is a lesser supported format so it just accepts it as 12bit for wider compatibility. Someone else likely knows more about support for 24Hz 4:2:2 10bit than I do.

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My HarperVision settings are based on receiving an HDR signal, so you’d use HDR/BT2020.

For SDR/2020 you would just use your normal SDR mode settings, not HarperVision.

I would try both and see which one you prefer. I haven’t used an 820 on a 5040 myself since it wasn’t out when I sold my last one.





See this post a few below yours:











It’s probably because you’re using a mode designed for Rec709 colors but sending in BT2020/P3 which has a much wider color gamut, of which blue is usually widest so it’s showing up in content more. When you use Digital Cinema it engages the P3 filter designed for BT2020/P3 so it then expects that input signal and looks normal.
Thanks Mr. Harper. That makes sense. I also have a occurrence of a red cast in some dark scenes. Specifically at the end of HP Goblet of Fire when Harry uses the port key after escaping V. I have to use HDR 1 on that title to get correct colors back vs. keeping it in SDR/2020. I think I'm doing something wrong...

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My HarperVision settings are based on receiving an HDR signal, so you’d use HDR/BT2020.

For SDR/2020 you would just use your normal SDR mode settings, not HarperVision.

I would try both and see which one you prefer. I haven’t used an 820 on a 5040 myself since it wasn’t out when I sold my last one.





See this post a few below yours:











It’s probably because you’re using a mode designed for Rec709 colors but sending in BT2020/P3 which has a much wider color gamut, of which blue is usually widest so it’s showing up in content more. When you use Digital Cinema it engages the P3 filter designed for BT2020/P3 so it then expects that input signal and looks normal.
Unfortunately in my case I have the blue tint in any color mode even in sdr 709 blue ray with factory settings,I think I have a bad polarizer.I have to stay in digital cinema or cinema to not see it?have had this issue since the projector was new and thought I was just overly sensitive to it and as posted above am afraid of the warranty prosses with only a year left of warranty lol.If I could figure out how to import a picure I would lol
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Dave - quick question: is your Harpervision settings for an HDR inputted signal? If so, then what is the significance of using "SDR" for the mode??Is it to force the software into thinking the input is SDR?? And, if so, how come?

Just curious.

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My HarperVision settings are based on receiving an HDR signal, so you’d use HDR/BT2020.

For SDR/2020 you would just use your normal SDR mode settings, not HarperVision.

I would try both and see which one you prefer. I haven’t used an 820 on a 5040 myself since it wasn’t out when I sold my last one.
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