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I just setup Harpervision thanks to the pointer to using Oledurt CMS settings and all I have to say is what a revelation. I've only been in the 4K camp for about 7-9 months since I added the UB820 as my 4K source. I set the 820 to HDR out and SDR out and the HDR signal was dim and the colors dull, "washed out" as has been said before by others. I then reverted to SDR and the image was bright and the colors vibrant, everything popped. It did seem a little too red at Color Sat of 80 and dropped it to 75 and it looked right to my eyes. I do have the 820 set to Projector with the Optimizer off and the Dynamic slider at +10. I'd like to thank everyone here for their advice and thoughts and willingness to share with others. I'll try to post some pics, I spun Infinity War and then the new 4k Superman: The Movie since it's a movie I'm very familiar with. Going to see what this does with MI: Fallout, any other badly encoded movies I should spin?
I'm a little confused by your post. You ended up setting the 820 to SDR/BT2020 or HDR/BT2020? To run Harpervision, you should be outputting HDR/BT2020 from the player and the projector's dynamic range should be set to SDR.



By setting the optimizer off in the player, it rather begs the question to me of why purchase this player in the first place. It is one of its key features.
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So after trying to read 100 of pages of settings. What is the optimized settings for the 5040 with panny 820 for a dedicated room with white screen.
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Try pulling the second gamma point to -30,the third to -26,seven up -14,brightness to 68 and color to 90,working these along with contrast can get you more pop.I think orcus originally was suggesting this tweak.
Thanks for that Dirt9.
Interesting and would recommend others to try but not for me.
PQ was a bit too grainy for my liking and black level unstable.


Have found some more oledurt amendments/ suggestions for Dave's HarperVision:
Brightness 53 Col 73
Col Temp 4 Skin 3
Offset R 48 G 48 B 50 Gain R 48 G 61 B 34.
All the other settings as set out previously.
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I know there has been a lot of discussion on this subject, but I can't find the answer I am looking for, so I wanted to pose my question directly.

I have the 5040UB. I have a NVIDIA SHIELD TV. I have 4K content with HDR in 24Hz, which all the hardware can do and has just fine.

My issue is that when I want to watch anything 4K, I have to adjust the SHIELD's output settings away from recommended which is 1080p 59-60Hz HDR. I like to keep it at that because otherwise the menu animations are not smooth, because the max output I can have at 4K is 4K 30Hz HDR. Being content is 24Hz, that suffices, but I don't like having to switch back and forth, but I do because the animations not being smooth is annoying.

Is there anything thing I can get or do that makes this process easier. I know PJ doesn't do the trifecta all at once, but I don't have any 60Hz content at 4K HDR, so I'm never asking more than it can provide at any point. The menu isn't in HDR. I've been the HDFury Linker, but can't tell if that would help me or not. Thanks.
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Finally got around to adding some black to my HT.

It's given my 5040ub new life! I was doing it a serious disservice until now.

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This is helpful. While I don't mind experimenting with all of the shared settings (and permutations thereof) I want a very basic setting to refer to. I'm still looking for a 4K calibration disk so I can do the basics. From there I'll be able to really tweak the settings.



Separately, I've updated my 820 and I think the HDR settings (that you get when you hit the HDR button) has changed.
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Spears & Munsil is expected to release a UHD for HDR calibration next month, per an item coming out of this year's CES.

The Ryan Masciola UHD HDR Test Pattern suite is also available on UHD Blu-ray. You can get it here:

https://www.diversifiedvideosolution..._products.html

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Hey guys, jumping on the failure train, this is the second 5040Ube that is failed on me... im overseas, no way to send it back now. Does anyone know the part numbers for the replacement power module? Is it possible to buy a replacement part and have a local repair shop fix it?
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I know there has been a lot of discussion on this subject, but I can't find the answer I am looking for, so I wanted to pose my question directly.



I have the 5040UB. I have a NVIDIA SHIELD TV. I have 4K content with HDR in 24Hz, which all the hardware can do and has just fine.



My issue is that when I want to watch anything 4K, I have to adjust the SHIELD's output settings away from recommended which is 1080p 59-60Hz HDR. I like to keep it at that because otherwise the menu animations are not smooth, because the max output I can have at 4K is 4K 30Hz HDR. Being content is 24Hz, that suffices, but I don't like having to switch back and forth, but I do because the animations not being smooth is annoying.



Is there anything thing I can get or do that makes this process easier. I know PJ doesn't do the trifecta all at once, but I don't have any 60Hz content at 4K HDR, so I'm never asking more than it can provide at any point. The menu isn't in HDR. I've been the HDFury Linker, but can't tell if that would help me or not. Thanks.
Though that you was asking about Netflix first.

Why don't you change it to output 4k/23.97hz? If you are using Kodi/Plex, they auto change the refreshrate to the content. Otherwise I change the refreshrate to what content I'm watching.

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I'm a little confused by your post. You ended up setting the 820 to SDR/BT2020 or HDR/BT2020? To run Harpervision, you should be outputting HDR/BT2020 from the player and the projector's dynamic range should be set to SDR.



By setting the optimizer off in the player, it rather begs the question to me of why purchase this player in the first place. It is one of its key features.
I thought you kept the dynamic range as auto... where is this setting so I can confirm I did it right. I'm still trying to be "wowed" but some of the listed HDR settings and the panny820 and I'm not quite there. I know I have some basic calibration work to do, so I'm not disappointed, but also want to make sure I'm not missing a step.

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Anyone have an issue turning off the projector with the remote?

I was programming my URC 980 to replace the old Panny 4000 with the Epson 5040 and it would turn on but not off, and yes I programmed it to send 2 ("enter" EDIT - OFF, then "enter" to confirm shutdown) commands with a slight delay, which is how the Panny worked. I used the IR code from the URC database and when that didn't work, I used the learning mode from the remote and THAT didn't work. Then I realized that even the original remote does not turn it off. As far as I can tell, that is the only thing that the original remote doesn't do. I pretty much only need the URC to turn it on and off at this point (although, I guess I'll have to program the Lens Mem buttons since there is no auto-switching).

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Though that you was asking about Netflix first.

Why don't you change it to output 4k/23.97hz? If you are using Kodi/Plex, they auto change the refreshrate to the content. Otherwise I change the refreshrate to what content I'm watching.
I could change to that, but that would make the navigating the menu even more sluggish. There is no issue with getting the content to auto switch the refresh rate. It's having to deal with no 4K for smooth menus, so I have to keep changing to 4K just to watch 4K content and then back for smooth navigation.
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Is anyone able to stream Netflix or YouTube in 4K from the Panasonic ub820. No issues with Xbox.

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Revised settings for hdr,no switching from 709 to bt 2020 or sdr to to hdr needed and the picture look very close to harpervision/oledurt with more hdr color affects,no affense to anyone

CINEMA/AUTO/AUTO BRIGHT/AUTO/FINE

BRIGHTNESS 95,CONTRAST 0,COLOR TO 50-80,TINT 50,SKIN TONE AND COLOR TEMP AS NEEDED.
POWER CONSUMPSION HIGH,AUTO IRIS NORMAL.DETAIL PRE SET 3,DETAIL ENHANCEMENT TO TASTE.

GAMA 0 -31 -25 -21 -23 -21 -19 -9 +32,RGBY (R) 50 23 50 (G) 78 8 50 (B) 68 30 50 (C) 56 31 50 (M) 76 31 50 (Y) 44 29 50

SUPER WHITE OFF,IRIS SET TO TASTE

Try these out and compare back and forth to harpervision/oledurt
Im using a Philips bdp 5502 set to 4k sending hdr signal with a silver ticket white WAB screen in a blacked out room.
Turning super white off makes the picture more bright at the expense of fine detail in clouds and light colored backgrounds,pause on a scene and you'll see what I mean.

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Revised settings for hdr,no switching from 709 to bt 2020 or sdr to to hdr needed and the picture look very close to harpervision/oledurt with more hdr color affects,no affense to anyone

CINEMA/AUTO/AUTO BRIGHT/AUTO/FINE

BRIGHTNESS 95,CONTRAST 0,COLOR TO 50-80,TINT 50,SKIN TONE AND COLOR TEMP AS NEEDED.
POWER CONSUMPSION HIGH,AUTO IRIS NORMAL.DETAIL PRE SET 3,DETAIL ENHANCEMENT TO TASTE.

GAMA 0 -31 -25 -21 -23 -21 -19 -9 +32,RGBY (R) 50 23 50 (G) 78 8 50 (B) 68 30 50 (C) 56 31 50 (M) 76 31 50 (Y) 44 29 50

SUPER WHITE OFF,IRIS SET TO TASTE

Try these out and compare back and forth to harpervision/oledurt
Im using a Philips bdp 5502 set to 4k sending hdr signal with a silver ticket white WAB screen in a blacked out room.
Turning super white off makes the picture more bright at the expense of fine detail in clouds and light colored backgrounds,pause on a scene and you'll see what I mean.
I think you could get away with med lamp mode for less noise at the expense of less pop and vividness,im spoiled on high lamp mode unfortunately.

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I thought you kept the dynamic range as auto... where is this setting so I can confirm I did it right. I'm still trying to be "wowed" but some of the listed HDR settings and the panny820 and I'm not quite there. I know I have some basic calibration work to do, so I'm not disappointed, but also want to make sure I'm not missing a step.



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No, if you leave it on AUTO then it will go into it’s built in HDR mode when you feed it the HDR signal. For HarperVision you need to send full HDR, but then run the display in its SDR Mode so the HDR PQ can be mapped into the SDR Container! Again, Explained here:




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CINEMA/AUTO/AUTO BRIGHT/AUTO/FINE



BRIGHTNESS 95,CONTRAST 0,COLOR TO 50-80,TINT 50,SKIN TONE AND COLOR TEMP AS NEEDED.

POWER CONSUMPSION HIGH,AUTO IRIS NORMAL.DETAIL PRE SET 3,DETAIL ENHANCEMENT TO TASTE.



GAMA 0 -31 -25 -21 -23 -21 -19 -9 +32,RGBY (R) 50 23 50 (G) 78 8 50 (B) 68 30 50 (C) 56 31 50 (M) 76 31 50 (Y) 44 29 50



SUPER WHITE OFF,IRIS SET TO TASTE



Try these out and compare back and forth to harpervision/oledurt

Im using a Philips bdp 5502 set to 4k sending hdr signal with a silver ticket white WAB screen in a blacked out room.

Turning super white off makes the picture more bright at the expense of fine detail in clouds and light colored backgrounds,pause on a scene and you'll see what I mean.

I still can’t wrap my head around brightness being so darned high at 95! but OK.

Can someone else that’s run mine and others and has a lot of experience try these settings and confirm things are OK? I haven’t had a 5040 here in forever.
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Here is an odd one that I hope you can help out on. When I use hdmi 1 I have very little contrast. I have to set my projector brightness to 30 vs 52 and my contrast to 0 vs 68 when using hdmi 2. Do I have a bad port. When I do my Wow calibration on hdmi one the contrast screen is completely white unless I do C=O and B=30.

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Here is an odd one that I hope you can help out on. When I use hdmi 1 I have very little contrast. I have to set my projector brightness to 30 vs 52 and my contrast to 0 vs 68 when using hdmi 2. Do I have a bad port. When I do my Wow calibration on hdmi one the contrast screen is completely white unless I do C=O and B=30.
Check to make sure you have the hdmi video range set to to normal,having it on expanded can wash your picture out unless you adjust for it.what are your exact settings while using HDMI 1 including screen type and room conditions?
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Here is an odd one that I hope you can help out on. When I use hdmi 1 I have very little contrast. I have to set my projector brightness to 30 vs 52 and my contrast to 0 vs 68 when using hdmi 2. Do I have a bad port. When I do my Wow calibration on hdmi one the contrast screen is completely white unless I do C=O and B=30.
Check to make sure you have the hdmi video range set to to normal,having it on expanded can wash your picture out unless you adjust for it.what are your exact settings while using HDMI 1 including screen type and room conditions?
Exactly what it was. Signal was set to hdr1. Thanks for the help, appreciate it.

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Can someone else that’s run mine and others and has a lot of experience try these settings and confirm things are OK? I haven’t had a 5040 here in forever.

I just tried it. It's way too washed out for me. In fairness though, I might have jacked up eyes because after trying all kinds of settings (including getting a professional calibration) I always come back to the default "bright cinema" settings along with the dynamic range slider on the Panasonic 900 to taste and it looks better to my eyes than anything else. I also have a very large screen, so that comes into play too. If I have to choose between a bit too dim/darker blacks vs. brighter/a bit washed out out I'll take the latter every time.
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I just tried it. It's way too washed out for me. In fairness though, I might have jacked up eyes because after trying all kinds of settings (including getting a professional calibration) I always come back to the default "bright cinema" settings along with the dynamic range slider on the Panasonic 900 to taste and it looks better to my eyes than anything else. I also have a very large screen, so that comes into play too. If I have to choose between a bit too dim/darker blacks vs. brighter/a bit washed out out I'll take the latter every time.
Well...that makes two of us then...like the universal truth goes...audio and video are very subjective and personal.
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That's crazy its slightly darker than harpervision/oledurf on my end lol,do you guys have the second gama point at -31? CINEMA/AUTO/AUTO BRIGHT/AUTO/FINE



BRIGHTNESS 95,CONTRAST 0,COLOR TO 50-80,TINT 50,SKIN TONE AND COLOR TEMP AS NEEDED.

POWER CONSUMPSION HIGH,AUTO IRIS NORMAL.DETAIL PRE SET 3,DETAIL ENHANCEMENT TO TASTE.



GAMA 0 -31 -25 -21 -23 -21 -19 -9 +32,RGBY (R) 50 23 50 (G) 78 8 50 (B) 68 30 50 (C) 56 31 50 (M) 76 31 50 (Y) 44 29 50



SUPER WHITE OFF,IRIS SET TO TASTE

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I don't think it's possible to wash the screen out with the second gama point at -31
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That's crazy its slightly darker than harpervision/oledurf on my end lol,do you guys have the second gama point at -31? CINEMA/AUTO/AUTO BRIGHT/AUTO/FINE



BRIGHTNESS 95,CONTRAST 0,COLOR TO 50-80,TINT 50,SKIN TONE AND COLOR TEMP AS NEEDED.

POWER CONSUMPSION HIGH,AUTO IRIS NORMAL.DETAIL PRE SET 3,DETAIL ENHANCEMENT TO TASTE.



GAMA 0 -31 -25 -21 -23 -21 -19 -9 +32,RGBY (R) 50 23 50 (G) 78 8 50 (B) 68 30 50 (C) 56 31 50 (M) 76 31 50 (Y) 44 29 50



SUPER WHITE OFF,IRIS SET TO TASTE

Just double checked, yes it's set to -31. It could be something else I'm missing though. What does color 50-80 mean, adjust to taste?
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MAYBE MY EYES ARE REALLY MESSED UP honestly I could take the brightness up to 100 and still not wash out the black level but start to lose white detail.
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When you go to the info tab on the menu it says HDR 2020 and all that good stuff?
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Just double checked, yes it's set to -31. It could be something else I'm missing though. What does color 50-80 mean, adjust to taste?
color level 60 is where I like it,adjust to taste was probably the wrong word choice.should have put adjust to preference

I have hdmi range set to auto along with verything else,I wonder if theres a big difference in the disc players,are you guys using any processing or signal strippping in the signal?
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When you go to the info tab on the menu it says HDR 2020 and all that good stuff?
Yeah 422 12 bit, hdr bt 2020
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