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Thanks for your response. Link doesn't work but I've reviewed the manual previously and I saw that 6040ub isn't listed; however, I've seen posts mentioning this wad included with their purchase of the 6040ub so it's unclear

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I've read multiple places that the CHF2500 is a companion to the Epson 6040UB in package deals - and so it'd have to work for the 5040UB too - since the differences between 5040UB and 6040UB chassis is only that of color of plastic - AFAIK.

Another member bought a chf2500 within the last month and it worked fine for his 5040UB.

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Thank you. This is the clarification I needed.

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Looking for a little help with my calibration settings, I recently purchased a 5040ub. I'm sure this has been put out there a 100 times but everything I find is from 2017 or older so I was hoping to find some new settings for my projector. I'd like to have one for sports, 4k HDR, and my Ultra HD content. Might not make a difference in my content vs settings but just wanted to describe the different content I watch.

I've a 135 inch screen with an oppo 203, projector sitting about 20 ft from the 1.0 gain screen. I also use Direct TV for my sports.

Appreciate the help in advance.
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The CHF2500 Chief Mount, does it come with all the necessary hardware to mount the 5040UB?
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The CHF2500 Chief Mount, does it come with all the necessary hardware to mount the 5040UB?


The guy that bought that recently said it had everything but the lag screws needed to secure the system to the floor joists.
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Getting my refurb 5040 today. What are some tips and tricks you wish you knew when you first got yours? Does the PJ say anything on screen when it's being fed a 4k signal? (Not sure if the hdmi cables I had run previously will be good enough)

Good budget 4k player for it? (Xbox one S or something?)

Also, my receiver doesn't support 4k. Anyone else feed this thing from multiple sources with an hdmi hub or something? Anyone had luck with an hdmi splitter one going from say pc to receiver, other to hub, then to projector? If that won't work I suppose some recommendations on a new receiver. I currently have a 7.1 system but could add a couple speakers for the ceiling (And if I'm going to the spend the money on a new receiver, I'd probably go that route.)

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Getting my refurb 5040 today. What are some tips and tricks you wish you knew when you first got yours? Does the PJ say anything on screen when it's being fed a 4k signal? (Not sure if the hdmi cables I had run previously will be good enough)

Good budget 4k player for it? (Xbox one S or something?)

Also, my receiver doesn't support 4k. Anyone else feed this thing from multiple sources with an hdmi hub or something? Anyone had luck with an hdmi splitter one going from say pc to receiver, other to hub, then to projector? If that won't work I suppose some recommendations on a new receiver. I currently have a 7.1 system but could add a couple speakers for the ceiling (And if I'm going to the spend the money on a new receiver, I'd probably go that route.)

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Getting my refurb 5040 today. What are some tips and tricks you wish you knew when you first got yours? Does the PJ say anything on screen when it's being fed a 4k signal? (Not sure if the hdmi cables I had run previously will be good enough)

Good budget 4k player for it? (Xbox one S or something?)

Also, my receiver doesn't support 4k. Anyone else feed this thing from multiple sources with an hdmi hub or something? Anyone had luck with an hdmi splitter one going from say pc to receiver, other to hub, then to projector? If that won't work I suppose some recommendations on a new receiver. I currently have a 7.1 system but could add a couple speakers for the ceiling (And if I'm going to the spend the money on a new receiver, I'd probably go that route.)

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A number of BD UHD players, even affordable ones, have two HDMI ports: one for video/audio and one for audio only. You can route the video HDMI directly to your projector and the audio-only HDMI to your receiver.
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Hi everyone,

I just bought an Epson 5040UB refurb. I currently have an Epson 8700UB. Almost the same size. 16 pounds.

I currently have the 8700UB mounted on the ceiling with a AV817 mount. Weight support up to 44 pounds.
(I can't post links yet but a google search for AV817 can easily find the specs)

I believe both use M4 screws. And it looks like the bracket size (mounting screws distance is the same - about 1 foot)

As the 5040UB is only 24 pounds, should my current ceiling mount be okay to use with the 5040UB?

Thanks for any info.

Can't wait to set it up!
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What are the recommended settings for the 5040UB? I just got mine yesterday and I don't know how to calibrate it.
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My just arrived refurb has what looks to be...gasp...fingerprint marks on the lens!!! Any safe ways to remove them? Other than that seems good on first glance though I’d welcome any links to stuff to help show flaws that have been common on the refurbs to double check mine. According to service mode, 3rd lamp change, 0 lamp hours, 60 service hours total.
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My just arrived refurb has what looks to be...gasp...fingerprint marks on the lens!!! Any safe ways to remove them? Other than that seems good on first glance though I’d welcome any links to stuff to help show flaws that have been common on the refurbs to double check mine. According to service mode, 3rd lamp change, 0 lamp hours, 60 service hours total.
Can you please tell me how to get into service mode..

I now have my 3rd Epson (5040) and woukd like to see its history...

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Can you please tell me how to get into service mode..

I now have my 3rd Epson (5040) and woukd like to see its history...

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Hello guys,

I have just have to factory reset my Panasonic UB820 & am a struggling to remember the correct settings when using the custom gamma curves in this thread.

I seem to remember that we need to send the full HDR signal to the projector so the tone mapping can be done there?

This would require a setting of Color Gamut Output > HDR/BT.2020 on the player?

The next setting is HDR TV type, which I think I was told to use the HDR TV type > Middle Luminance option as this sets the player to output 1000 nits which is where the custom gamma curves are optimized for?

Last but not least is the HDR optimizer, now I presume this is set to on? Not entirely sure what this does when using custom gamma curves, does it do dynamic tone mapping up to to 1000 nit limit?

I always get this mixed up so I though I would ask the guys that know.

If I have have missed any other settings on the player please let me know.

Other than this I remember that Orcus's curve set the dynamic range in the projector to Auto with neilvm & Harper Vision using SDR.

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Been around for awhile but this is my very first Epson Projector. My last projector was a Sony HW55es that I had for about 5 yr (never had one problem) but left at a house I sold last yr. I purchased a brand new 5040ub back in March (with all the deals going but just before the 5050ub was announced) and final just opened the box as I finally just moved into my new place and got my room set up. Got it mounted on the ceiling and turned it on to converge it on my 120 SilverTicket screen - about an hr in I get the msg. 'Error in Auto Iris. Power off and contact Epson'. Man I was confused, pissed etc. Looked up the error and decided to unplug it. Thinking the damn thing just needed to warm up, the next day I plugged it in and I thought it was fine so I continued to tweak some settings when BOOM - same msg again! Called Tech Support but I'm pissed again because all they will try to do is send me a refurb that's worth hundreds less than I paid . Trying to get a new unit shipped....
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Hello guys,

I have just have to factory reset my Panasonic UB820 & am a struggling to remember the correct settings when using the custom gamma curves in this thread.

I seem to remember that we need to send the full HDR signal to the projector so the tone mapping can be done there?

This would require a setting of Color Gamut Output > HDR/BT.2020 on the player?

The next setting is HDR TV type, which I think I was told to use the HDR TV type > Middle Luminance option as this sets the player to output 1000 nits which is where the custom gamma curves are optimized for?

Last but not least is the HDR optimizer, now I presume this is set to on? Not entirely sure what this does when using custom gamma curves, does it do dynamic tone mapping up to to 1000 nit limit?

I always get this mixed up so I though I would ask the guys that know.

If I have have missed any other settings on the player please let me know.

Other than this I remember that Orcus's curve set the dynamic range in the projector to Auto with neilvm & Harper Vision using SDR.


I don’t have the pana, so I’m afraid I can’t help...
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I don’t have the pana, so I’m afraid I can’t help...

No worries, thanks for letting me know.



I guess seeing as your curves are based on Harper Vision the requirement to send the projector the full HDR signal still stands
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Hello guys,

I have just have to factory reset my Panasonic UB820 & am a struggling to remember the correct settings when using the custom gamma curves in this thread.

I seem to remember that we need to send the full HDR signal to the projector so the tone mapping can be done there?

This would require a setting of Color Gamut Output > HDR/BT.2020 on the player?

The next setting is HDR TV type, which I think I was told to use the HDR TV type > Middle Luminance option as this sets the player to output 1000 nits which is where the custom gamma curves are optimized for?

Last but not least is the HDR optimizer, now I presume this is set to on? Not entirely sure what this does when using custom gamma curves, does it do dynamic tone mapping up to to 1000 nit limit?

I always get this mixed up so I though I would ask the guys that know.

If I have have missed any other settings on the player please let me know.

Other than this I remember that Orcus's curve set the dynamic range in the projector to Auto with neilvm & Harper Vision using SDR.
Hey Adam, does this post from a while back help?

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/showt...php?p=57578668

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Hey Adam, does this post from a while back help?

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/showt...php?p=57578668

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Many thanks Lithium for that, do you know if these settings take into account for the HDR optimizer?



The Panasonic player I had before did not have this feature which I believe allows the player to do the tone mapping for the display which it seems from reviews is very good on the Panasonic.


Would this remove the need to use a custom gamma curves to achieve a better HDR experience?
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Many thanks Lithium for that, do you know if these settings take into account for the HDR optimizer?



The Panasonic player I had before did not have this feature which I believe allows the player to do the tone mapping for the display which it seems from reviews is very good on the Panasonic.


Would this remove the need to use a custom gamma curves to achieve a better HDR experience?
My settings are specifically for when running the HarperVision calibration. For which, yes, you would want HDR Optimizer on. This setting is what tone maps content to 1000nits HDR. Long story short, HarperVision is basically a tone map from HDR @ ~1000nits to SDR2020 (in fact all the built-in HDR modes on a projector are similar to this).

If you only want the player to tone map then you need to output SDR2020 from the player and target Gamma 2.4 or something like that. Which, unfortunately is next to impossible on the Epson, or so I've been told. Which is why we use HarperVision and other HDR calibrations found on this forum.
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If you only want the player to tone map then you need to output SDR2020 from the player and target Gamma 2.4 or something like that. Which, unfortunately is next to impossible on the Epson, or so I've been told. Which is why we use HarperVision and other HDR calibrations found on this forum.
The Epson uses a non-conventional scale for gamma (0 corresponds to gamma 2.2), but other than that I don’t see why it would be hard to get 2.4. It’s actually much hard to get custom HDR curves due to the limited range of its 10-pt controls.

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If you only want the player to tone map then you need to output SDR2020 from the player and target Gamma 2.4 or something like that. Which, unfortunately is next to impossible on the Epson, or so I've been told. Which is why we use HarperVision and other HDR calibrations found on this forum.
The Epson uses a non-conventional scale for gamma (0 corresponds to gamma 2.2), but other than that I don’️t see why it would be hard to get 2.4. It’️s a tually much hard to get custom HDR curves due to the limited range of its 10-pt controls.
I use the Ub820 set to SDR2020. I have used HCFR to calibrate my system and I have settings for gamma 2.2, 2.35, 2.40. I actually prefer gamma 2.35 when using SDR2020 output, and of course I do have the HDR optimizer on. The end result is absolutely gorgeous.

The key, though, is being able to calibrate your projector to get a flat gamma. You cannot do this without a colorimeter and software. At low IRE even a small change in gamma makes a big difference. You should include gamma in your dE calculations and really try to get ~1 or less for grayscale. Your eyes maybe cannot see anything less than 3 but I question the validity of that when gamma is figured into the dE, especially at low IRE. I can attest that this really is possible with our projectors with some effort.

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I use the Ub820 set to SDR2020. I have used HCFR to calibrate my system and I have settings for gamma 2.2, 2.35, 2.40. I actually prefer gamma 2.35 when using SDR2020 output, and of course I do have the HDR optimizer on. The end result is absolutely gorgeous.

The key, though, is being able to calibrate your projector to get a flat gamma. You cannot do this without a colorimeter and software. At low IRE even a small change in gamma makes a big difference. You should include gamma in your dE calculations and really try to get ~1 or less for grayscale. Your eyes maybe cannot see anything less than 3 but I question the validity of that when gamma is figured into the dE, especially at low IRE. I can attest that this really is possible with our projectors with some effort.

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I use the Ub820 set to SDR2020. I have used HCFR to calibrate my system and I have settings for gamma 2.2, 2.35, 2.40. I actually prefer gamma 2.35 when using SDR2020 output, and of course I do have the HDR optimizer on. The end result is absolutely gorgeous.

The key, though, is being able to calibrate your projector to get a flat gamma. You cannot do this without a colorimeter and software. At low IRE even a small change in gamma makes a big difference. You should include gamma in your dE calculations and really try to get ~1 or less for grayscale. Your eyes maybe cannot see anything less than 3 but I question the validity of that when gamma is figured into the dE, especially at low IRE. I can attest that this really is possible with our projectors with some effort.

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Alright, I'll simplify:

I use SDR2020 with the Ub820. It is the best looking HDR that I have achieved with the 6040ub. I also use it with the projector calibrated to gamma 2.35. I prefer how this looks compared to 2.2, 2.3, or 2.4.

If you cannot achieve a proper grayscale and gamma calibration then YMMV.

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Alright, I'll simplify:

I use SDR2020 with the Ub820. It is the best looking HDR that I have achieved with the 6040ub. I also use it with the projector calibrated to gamma 2.35. I prefer how this looks compared to 2.2, 2.3, or 2.4.

If you cannot achieve a proper grayscale and gamma calibration then YMMV.
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Alright, I'll simplify:

I use SDR2020 with the Ub820. It is the best looking HDR that I have achieved with the 6040ub. I also use it with the projector calibrated to gamma 2.35. I prefer how this looks compared to 2.2, 2.3, or 2.4.

If you cannot achieve a proper grayscale and gamma calibration then YMMV.
It may be a forum problem, but some of the recent posts (including yours are not readable on a web browser. ("s" becomes "s"; "S" becomes "S") - see attached screenshot. On my phone they display properly.
Well that's annoying. Yuck

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Well that's annoying. Yuck

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I kind of made out what he said even with the forum bug.

My last statement in my last post might have been a bit overly strong. What I mean to say is that I have not seen a SDR2020 calibration posted here. I'd be happy to try one out - I'm not a calibration junky but I do like trying out other people's settings. I don't follow this thread as closely as I used to. But when I did, the responses I got about calibrating for SDR2020 complained about the difficulty with Epson's CMS. Basically, it's not trivial like it is for JVC projectors which you see a lot of people using in the 820 thread.
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Hello guys,

I have just have to factory reset my Panasonic UB820 & am a struggling to remember the correct settings when using the custom gamma curves in this thread.

I seem to remember that we need to send the full HDR signal to the projector so the tone mapping can be done there?

This would require a setting of Color Gamut Output > HDR/BT.2020 on the player?

The next setting is HDR TV type, which I think I was told to use the HDR TV type > Middle Luminance option as this sets the player to output 1000 nits which is where the custom gamma curves are optimized for?

Last but not least is the HDR optimizer, now I presume this is set to on? Not entirely sure what this does when using custom gamma curves, does it do dynamic tone mapping up to to 1000 nit limit?

I always get this mixed up so I though I would ask the guys that know.

If I have have missed any other settings on the player please let me know.

Other than this I remember that Orcus's curve set the dynamic range in the projector to Auto with neilvm & Harper Vision using SDR.


Hey Adam, If your going to run my autobright settings you want to set the 820 to HDR2020. Also, I prefer setting it to the 500 nit projector setting as it applies tone mapping to the 1000 nit image brightening it up a bit. But it’s perfectly acceptable to use the middle 1000 nit setting as my settings will show all data in a 1000 nit signal. As for optimizer yes your going to want it on as it will optimize 4000 nit titles down to 1000 and if you choose the projector setting it will optimize 1000 nit titles to a 500 nit max luminance setting. And no this does not impact the custom tone mapping any custom hdr tone map on the projector end applies. If you have any more questions just let me know, I’m happy to help.

Anthony


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