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Hi, my 5040 is reporting 4K 8 Bit HDR 2 4:2:0 BT2020, 60hz


Ok thanks but I thought HDR needs to be 10bit to display properly?


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Isn't HDR on 8 bit like a Ferrari in a 25 mph zone?

Setup: Epson 5040 UB, 110" SilverTicket AT screen, PS3 bluray, Yamaha RX-V673 AVR, Polk and Athena speakers, Batcave room.
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Epson authorized dealer? Out of curiosity, what do we get with an authorized dealer that is lost by buying the projector from a non-authorized dealer?


Looking at the warranty, it doesn't state it has to be purchased from an authorized dealer or warranty is void. So what is the value add?


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Well, hello to eveyone out there who has purchased a new 5040/6040

I have had an Epson 6010 for at least 4 years and it just stopped working this past May. I thought it was a bulb but was ery busy throughout the summer and just did not get around to watching any movies.

Whwn the summer was over, I called my installer and when he came over, he knew right away, as the bulb light was not flashing, that my projector was just not working. he suggested that I not even send it in for repair, but wait until after CEDIA to see what will be presented.

I waited, but decided to purchased a new 65" Sony 940D, put it in front of my 124" 2.35:1 screen, and watch movies until something came along.

The Epson 6040 came along, I purchased it, and had it installed yesterday, while moving my Sony upstairs.

My wife & I sat down in front of our new Epson, and my wife, whom we all know did not want me to get another PJ as she said many times, "Why spend the money. just keep the new Sony here".

I live in Canada, In Toronto, so the only UHD signal that I have is either from my Rogers' 4K box and that was a disappointment, so I put in 2 4K movies on my Philips Ultra BD player, Life of Pi & DeadPool.

The picture was really not good, not sharp, terrible colour, and very, very disappointing! She walked out of our HT room, and I was just left with my mouth wide open!

This was the first Epson install for this company and they did say that their tech has to come to tweak the PJ, but I am now at a loss.

I am using a Marantz 8802 Pre/Pro with 12 channels of sound, 3 front Golden Ear, 2 side Golden Ear, and 2 rear Golden Ear, with 4 ceiling speakers + one more up front, in the ceiling, to give me a second centre-channel, as I just never hear the dialogue (the installers just installed this second centre-channel as I had an extra channel not being used so I decided to put it in.

I am using 2 amps for these 12 channels, a 5-channel Classé, and a 7-channel Emotiva (XPA-7)

My sound is awesome BUT what can I do to get a better lookng picture?

I am looking for help as to how to set-up my new 6040 so that the pic is clean, clear, and looking good.

P.S.
My screen is about 18' from the projector and I do have a Schneider anamorphic lens in front of the projector's lens to fill my 2.35:1 screen. I had this lens with my 6010 projector and was told the only way to get my PJ to fill the screen while not losing any resolution was to purchase this lens.

Please help my smile again, and for my wife to be happy!

Stephen
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So here's my latest crack at trying to sum up compatibility between the Epsons and various devices. This isn't perfect. Please post corrections with supporting pictures or documentation. If we can get this close to correct, maybe it can be stickied somewhere.

Source for some of this info: http://www.acousticfrontiers.com/uhd-101-v2/

Baseline info:
• The HDMI chipset within the Epson has a bandwidth limitation of 10 Gbps
• There are limitations to the signal that the Epson can accept due to this chipset
• 4k Blu-rays are encoded as 4k24 / 4:2:0 / 8-bit Rec709 (non HDR) or 10-bit Rec2020 (HDR10) neither of which are supported by the HDMI 2.0 specification
• Some form of signal conversion must occur in order for any device using HDMI 2.0 to accept a 4K Blu-ray signal
• The signal transmitted by the device must fall within the Epson’s 10Gbs HDMI chipset limitation for it to be displayed on the projector


Samsung K8500 4K Blu-ray Player & Xbox One S
• Both convert Blu-rays to 4k24 / 4:4:4 / 8-bit Rec709 which Epson can support
• HDR movies with Rec2020 color are reduced to Rec709, so HDR is stripped
• The resulting image for HDR movies generally appears too dark on the Epson
Phillips, Panasonic, Oppo (hopefully)
• Each convert the signal to 4k24 / 4:4:4 / 8-bit Rec 709 which the Epson supports
• HDR movies with Rec 2020 color are converted to 4k24 / 4:2:2 / 12-bit Rec2020 which the Epson supports
• The resulting image generally appears appropriate other than the Epson not having enough lumens to display HDR as intended
Fury & Oppo (hopefully)
• Both send an Epson compatible signal, but have the ability to strip HDR, while leaving the expanded Rec2020 color intact for those who feel the Epson is too dark for HDR
Roku Ultra (4K)
• Sends 4k24 / 4:4:4 / 8-bit Rec709 which is supported by Epson
• HDR movies with Rec2020 color are reduced to Rec709, so HDR is stripped (despite the screen showing 8-bit HDR BT2020, HDR BT2020 requires at least 10-bit color – is Rec2020 color really being preserved here? )
Amazon Fire Stick
• HDR signal is downgraded to 4k / Rec709
YouTube
• YouTube 4k videos are natively up to 4k60 / 4:2:0 / 8-bit
• If your player can send that native signal, the Epson can handle it
• Players that send the signal properly include: ????
Netflix
• Netflix’s 4k videos are natively ?????
• If your player can send that native signal, the Epson can handle it
• Players that send the signal properly include: ????
Gaming (PCs, 4k games on PS4 Pro & Xbox Scorpio)
• The Epson’s HDMI chipset (10 GBPS limitation) will only accept 4k60 at 4:2:0 / 8-bit color
• It is unknown whether these gaming devices will send 4k signals in this format. If for example they send the signal as 4k60 / 4:4:4 / 10-bit, the signal will fail or be downgraded to 4k60 / 4:2:0 / 8-bit color
• Either way, 4:4:4 will get downgraded to 4:2:0 and/or color will be downgraded to 8-bit (non-HDR) assuming the source was HDR to begin with
Future video devices:
• High Frame Rate (HFR) 4k Blu-ray will display with nothing higher than 8-bit color on the Epson
• If a future format support 4:4:4, color can be no higher than 8-bit for it to work on the Epson
• Dolby Vision’s goal is to be 12-bit color. This should work with the Epson, assuming the player can send the signal as 4:2:2
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So here's my latest crack at trying to sum up compatibility between the Epsons and various devices. This isn't perfect. Please post corrections with supporting pictures or documentation. If we can get this close to correct, maybe it can be stickied somewhere.
Great stuff.
But what a mess
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Can't believe Epson didn't just use the higher bandwidth chipset and no headaches


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Wrong thread again. Stay on topic please.
Isn't picking the right receiver for the 5040UB correct for the 5040 thread??
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how big is the 5040 compared to the hw45es? I'm finding the sony to be too long in length and not enough adjustment with zoom for the size of my bedroom.
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Roku 4k
• Sends 4k24 / 4:4:4 / 8-bit Rec709 which is supported by Epson
• HDR movies with Rec2020 color are reduced to Rec709, so HDR is stripped (despite the screen showing 8-bit HDR BT2020, HDR BT2020 requires at least 10-bit color – is Rec2020 color really being preserved here? )
Which Roku? The new line that just came out? Roku has so many models including newly released ones I find all of this very confusing.
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Which Roku? The new line that just came out? Roku has so many models including newly released ones I find all of this very confusing.
Based on user reports on this thread, Roku Ultra, the latest 4K player. I'm open to evidence to the contrary though.
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Based on user reports on this thread, Roku Ultra, the latest 4K player. I'm open to evidence to the contrary though.
Correction to your post above, the Phillips player outputs UHD at 4k 24Hz 4:2:2 12bit.
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how big is the 5040 compared to the hw45es? I'm finding the sony to be too long in length and not enough adjustment with zoom for the size of my bedroom.
The dimensions are 7.6H x 20.5W x 17.7D. It is a big projector no question. I think I'm at 12'5" lens to screen and I'm shooting 126" diagonal at max zoom.
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Correction to your post above, the Phillips player outputs UHD at 4k 24Hz 4:2:2 12bit.
So for non HDR signals as well? Do you have a screen shot or pic that shoes that? Not doubting you, just think I should start including links to screen shots that support the info.
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Correction to your post above, the Phillips player outputs UHD at 4k 24Hz 4:2:2 12bit.
But that's what he said..
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So a couple quick questions I hope someone can help out with. I am looking at getting this projector to replace a W1080ST in my living room. It is mostly light controlled and I have a 130" 16x9 DIY white over silver spandex screen. I have the Phillips UHD player, Shield TV, PC and PS4 for main sources of movies/streaming/video game options.

I have a ceiling fan about 12.5 feet from the screen which looks like would be about where it would need to be mounted and also where the main seating is. I would have to place the projector about 17 ft back from the screen to clear the fan blades.

Is that distance going to be an issue with filling the screen size or brightness for my screen? Is anyone projecting onto a spandex screen? Will the spandex cause issues with the image quality?

Hoping to pull the trigger tomorrow if anyone can help out. Thanks for any answers or advice!

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Epson authorized dealer? Out of curiosity, what do we get with an authorized dealer that is lost by buying the projector from a non-authorized dealer?


Looking at the warranty, it doesn't state it has to be purchased from an authorized dealer or warranty is void. So what is the value add?


Thanks,

Most manufactures will not warrant a product sold outside a dealer network. This goes outside the electronics realm too just FYI. It is usually outlined in the warranty document though so if it's deleted you may have a fighting chance down the road if you need a warranty claim. I would say it's a risk though.


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how big is the 5040 compared to the hw45es? I'm finding the sony to be too long in length and not enough adjustment with zoom for the size of my bedroom.

It's not really the size of the projector you need to worry about. You need to verify distance by calculating it using the projectors throw ratio. Every manufacture has something a bit different and these Epson are a bit wider then some of the others I compared which means more flexibility. One of the projector sites has a calculator you can use by plugging in the model number and it will spit out the distances based on screen size, or screen sizes based on distance. I think it was projectorcentral can't remember but you can google it I'm sure.


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Well, hello to eveyone out there who has purchased a new 5040/6040

I have had an Epson 6010 for at least 4 years and it just stopped working this past May. I thought it was a bulb but was ery busy throughout the summer and just did not get around to watching any movies.

Whwn the summer was over, I called my installer and when he came over, he knew right away, as the bulb light was not flashing, that my projector was just not working. he suggested that I not even send it in for repair, but wait until after CEDIA to see what will be presented.

I waited, but decided to purchased a new 65" Sony 940D, put it in front of my 124" 2.35:1 screen, and watch movies until something came along.

The Epson 6040 came along, I purchased it, and had it installed yesterday, while moving my Sony upstairs.

My wife & I sat down in front of our new Epson, and my wife, whom we all know did not want me to get another PJ as she said many times, "Why spend the money. just keep the new Sony here".

I live in Canada, In Toronto, so the only UHD signal that I have is either from my Rogers' 4K box and that was a disappointment, so I put in 2 4K movies on my Philips Ultra BD player, Life of Pi & DeadPool.

The picture was really not good, not sharp, terrible colour, and very, very disappointing! She walked out of our HT room, and I was just left with my mouth wide open!

This was the first Epson install for this company and they did say that their tech has to come to tweak the PJ, but I am now at a loss.

I am using a Marantz 8802 Pre/Pro with 12 channels of sound, 3 front Golden Ear, 2 side Golden Ear, and 2 rear Golden Ear, with 4 ceiling speakers + one more up front, in the ceiling, to give me a second centre-channel, as I just never hear the dialogue (the installers just installed this second centre-channel as I had an extra channel not being used so I decided to put it in.

I am using 2 amps for these 12 channels, a 5-channel Classé, and a 7-channel Emotiva (XPA-7)

My sound is awesome BUT what can I do to get a better lookng picture?

I am looking for help as to how to set-up my new 6040 so that the pic is clean, clear, and looking good.

P.S.
My screen is about 18' from the projector and I do have a Schneider anamorphic lens in front of the projector's lens to fill my 2.35:1 screen. I had this lens with my 6010 projector and was told the only way to get my PJ to fill the screen while not losing any resolution was to purchase this lens.

Please help my smile again, and for my wife to be happy!

Stephen
I replaced a week ago, my old 5010 to EH-TW9300(5040). I knew that the picture will be better, but even did not expect that much better. Much sharper (despite the fact that I had to remove the old Darbee), the color is great (which I lacked in 5010),Brightness is better than in 5010 where it always work on Highlamp mode for 120"screen, NormalLamp mode on 5040 shines same in Cinema mode.
I do not play games on 5010 because everything looked sucks, on 5040 I turn on Gears of war4 and was blown away by the clarity and juiciness of picture compared to 5010. Today I run to buy receiver Yamaha 779 (replace oldman the Denon 2808) to properly commutate all devices in the 4k.
I can not understand why you have such a situation with a new projector, but I'm almost nothing has been calibrate and get this result out of the box. Only I changed a few settings, but still does not change the color settings, gamma and other deeper settings.
I hope you will understand what is a problem, and you can enjoy to the full from this very nice Epson
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So for non HDR signals as well? Do you have a screen shot or pic that shoes that? Not doubting you, just think I should start including links to screen shots that support the info.
I believe the 12 bit is being downconverted to 10 bit and dithered out to 12 bit, per my conversation with Epson engineers. I do believe the HDR is very noticeable with Bright Cinema mode in a dark room. I really enjoyed watching the Revenant with HDR on. Unfortunately we lose the P3 color space with Bright Cinema.

I would like remind everyone that when watching non-UHD sources, you need to make sure you do not use the HDR preset.
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I bought the wireless version 2 days ago.
Based on a german site teardown
cine4home.de/forums/topic/die-inneren-werte-des-epson-eh-tw9300-wir-sezieren-im-live-ticker/page/11/
HDMI (cable) is handled by the SIL9679 chip (limited band)
HDMI (wireless) in handled by the SIL9777 on both end (full band)

Tested both wireless and cable connections with both One S and K8500, some random BD UHDs
Cable -> no hdr
Wireless -> hdr is fine (4:2:2, 24hz, 12bit)

No hdr netflix on One S (both cable and wireless)

No hdr gaming on xbox one s (I think it's a 4k/60hz/8bit/4:4:4 signal) (both cable and wireless)
Hdr gaming is fine on a ps4 (Deus Ex tested. 1080p with hdr) (both cable and wireless, not 100% sure on this one, not sure if i tested the cable connection)
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I believe the 12 bit is being downconverted to 10 bit and dithered out to 12 bit, per my conversation with Epson engineers. I do believe the HDR is very noticeable with Bright Cinema mode in a dark room. I really enjoyed watching the Revenant with HDR on. Unfortunately we lose the P3 color space with Bright Cinema.

I would like remind everyone that when watching non-UHD sources, you need to make sure you do not use the HDR preset.
That's what I have listed for HDR movies (second bullet). Not sure I want to get into the 12 to 10 to 12 but conversion as I don't believe HDR Blu-rays are native 12 bit at this point. Are we on the same page?

Phillips, Panasonic, Oppo (hopefully)
· Each convert the signal to 4k24 / 4:4:4 / 8-bit Rec 709 which the Epson supports
· HDR movies with Rec 2020 color are converted to 4k24 / 4:2:2 / 12-bit Rec2020 which the Epson supports
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I bought the wireless version 2 days ago.
Based on a german site teardown
cine4home.de/forums/topic/die-inneren-werte-des-epson-eh-tw9300-wir-sezieren-im-live-ticker/page/11/
HDMI (cable) is handled by the SIL9679 chip (limited band)
HDMI (wireless) in handled by the SIL9777 on both end (full band)

Tested both wireless and cable connections with both One S and K8500, some random BD UHDs
Cable -> no hdr
Wireless -> hdr is fine (4:2:2, 24hz, 12bit)

No hdr netflix on One S (both cable and wireless)

No hdr gaming on xbox one s (I think it's a 4k/60hz/8bit/4:4:4 signal) (both cable and wireless)
Hdr gaming is fine on a ps4 (Deus Ex tested. 1080p with hdr) (both cable and wireless, not 100% sure on this one, not sure if i tested the cable connection)
If you can provide a screenshot or someone else can confirm the wireless support of HDR (4:2:2, 24hz, 12bit), I'll add that to the compatibility list.
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If you can provide a screenshot or someone else can confirm the wireless support of HDR (4:2:2, 24hz, 12bit), I'll add that to the compatibility list.
Ok, no problem, I'll post when I'm back home
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Whats the best settings for PC Gaming? I used to just select game mode on one of my old projectors. Just about to give Battlefield 1 a crack :-) Cheers
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I would like remind everyone that when watching non-UHD sources, you need to make sure you do not use the HDR preset.
Quoting for truth. You will make this mistake at least once.
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So here's my latest crack at trying to sum up compatibility between the Epsons and various devices. This isn't perfect. Please post corrections with supporting pictures or documentation. If we can get this close to correct, maybe it can be stickied somewhere.

Source for some of this info: http://www.acousticfrontiers.com/uhd-101-v2/

Baseline info:
• The HDMI chipset within the Epson has a bandwidth limitation of 10 Gbps
• There are limitations to the signal that the Epson can accept due to this chipset
• 4k Blu-rays are encoded as 4k24 / 4:2:0 / 8-bit Rec709 (non HDR) or 10-bit Rec2020 (HDR10) neither of which are supported by the HDMI 2.0 specification
• Some form of signal conversion must occur in order for any device using HDMI 2.0 to accept a 4K Blu-ray signal
• The signal transmitted by the device must fall within the Epson’s 10Gbs HDMI chipset limitation for it to be displayed on the projector


Samsung K8500 4K Blu-ray Player & Xbox One S
• Both convert Blu-rays to 4k24 / 4:4:4 / 8-bit Rec709 which Epson can support
• HDR movies with Rec2020 color are reduced to Rec709, so HDR is stripped
• The resulting image for HDR movies generally appears too dark on the Epson
Phillips, Panasonic, Oppo (hopefully)
• Each convert the signal to 4k24 / 4:4:4 / 8-bit Rec 709 which the Epson supports
• HDR movies with Rec 2020 color are converted to 4k24 / 4:2:2 / 12-bit Rec2020 which the Epson supports
• The resulting image generally appears appropriate other than the Epson not having enough lumens to display HDR as intended
Fury & Oppo (hopefully)
• Both send an Epson compatible signal, but have the ability to strip HDR, while leaving the expanded Rec2020 color intact for those who feel the Epson is too dark for HDR
Roku Ultra (4K)
• Sends 4k24 / 4:4:4 / 8-bit Rec709 which is supported by Epson
• HDR movies with Rec2020 color are reduced to Rec709, so HDR is stripped (despite the screen showing 8-bit HDR BT2020, HDR BT2020 requires at least 10-bit color – is Rec2020 color really being preserved here? )
Amazon Fire Stick
• HDR signal is downgraded to 4k / Rec709
YouTube
• YouTube 4k videos are natively up to 4k60 / 4:2:0 / 8-bit
• If your player can send that native signal, the Epson can handle it
• Players that send the signal properly include: ????
Netflix
• Netflix’s 4k videos are natively ?????
• If your player can send that native signal, the Epson can handle it
• Players that send the signal properly include: ????
Gaming (PCs, 4k games on PS4 Pro & Xbox Scorpio)
• The Epson’s HDMI chipset (10 GBPS limitation) will only accept 4k60 at 4:2:0 / 8-bit color
• It is unknown whether these gaming devices will send 4k signals in this format. If for example they send the signal as 4k60 / 4:4:4 / 10-bit, the signal will fail or be downgraded to 4k60 / 4:2:0 / 8-bit color
• Either way, 4:4:4 will get downgraded to 4:2:0 and/or color will be downgraded to 8-bit (non-HDR) assuming the source was HDR to begin with
Future video devices:
• High Frame Rate (HFR) 4k Blu-ray will display with nothing higher than 8-bit color on the Epson
• If a future format support 4:4:4, color can be no higher than 8-bit for it to work on the Epson
• Dolby Vision’s goal is to be 12-bit color. This should work with the Epson, assuming the player can send the signal as 4:2:2
Roku Ultra feels like it is properly displaying HDR via Netflix and Amazon video. There is obvious banding though.

Epson Home Cinema 5040, Yamaha Aventage 3050, Phillips BDP-7501, PlayStation 4, Energy Connoisseur Series 7.1.
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