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World class?

World class doesn’️t send out defective units over and over to some people.

You may have a different opinion, but in my opinion, sending replacement projectors overnight at no charge with only a phone report of problems qualifies for world class.


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Playing refurb roulette isn’t world class. And I’m certainly not alone. If you had a good experience I’m happy for you. But you can plainly see that isn’t universal — right here in this thread. Let’s call a spade a spade.

Thing is. You’ve gone through three. I went through five. That’s not normal. Do either of us have any sure claim to confidence that our projector will still be working in 1 year after those experiences? That’s not world class.

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Add me to the list. I received my refurb 5040UB yesterday, upgrading from a BenQ HT2050. I do have a few questions on it, I'm struggling to get my HTPC to acknowledge that it supports HDR and my Xbox One X also states it's not HDR10 compliant. I use my Xbox as my UHD player. Would this be a good place to discuss my issues or should a new thread be started?

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Add me to the list. I received my refurb 5040UB yesterday, upgrading from a BenQ HT2050. I do have a few questions on it, I'm struggling to get my HTPC to acknowledge that it supports HDR and my Xbox One X also states it's not HDR10 compliant. I use my Xbox as my UHD player. Would this be a good place to discuss my issues or should a new thread be started?

It doesn’t support HDR standards in full. Its only a 10gbps chip instead of 18Gbps.

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I'm on my second return/refurb because of dust blobs. Is there a secret to getting one that isn't defective? Is there someone special at Epson I should talk to? Any help would be greatly appreciated, I'm getting sick of returning these. Although my packing skills are becoming exemplary.
What is the sign of a dust blob?

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It doesn’t support HDR standards in full. Its only a 10gbps chip instead of 18Gbps.
I did read that, but I guess the marketing of the projector does a good job of dancing around it as it states HDR10 support. What can I aim for HDR wise now that I have this projector? I didn't buy it for the HDR, but if it's available I'd like to utilize it if possible.

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What is the sign of a dust blob?
Here's one of the projectors that was returned. As you can see there are red and green circles, those are the blobs. It's most easiest seen on a dark screen.
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As there are very few example settings for 3D in the thread, would be great if you would like to share yours with us.

In the next couple of days you'll have it.

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Received a refurbished unit today. The picture does look great, but I have a dreaded green dust blob on the dark screen .
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The stutter is motion enhancement. Turn it off in the projector onscreen menu.
Thanks, will try!

Side note: today I got an email from Epson that they are processing the free bulb "rebate" I mailed in about 3 weeks ago and I should expect it delivered in 4-6 weeks, which is nice.
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So I was sad to see that my current 3d glasses do not work with this projector. I ordered a pair off of Amazon though, I hear 3D is great on this projector. I can't wait to try it out. This is what the Xbox One X states about the projector. It will not send any kind of HDR to the projector. If I buy a stand alone UHD Player, will HDR work with this projector?



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So my projector shows firmware 1.13, on their site they only show 1.12. Anyone have a clue why this would be? Is there a special firmware for refurbished units?


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I am looking for nielvm's setting for SDR and HDR but finding his final and latest version has been a challenge for me. Anyone has a link to the post that has this info? Thanks

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I am looking for nielvm's setting for SDR and HDR but finding his final and latest version has been a challenge for me. Anyone has a link to the post that has this info? Thanks

I only have his HDR settings:


HDR neilvm -2

Color Mode: Cinema

Brightness: 53

Contrast: 100

Color Saturation: 80

Tint: 50

Power Consumption: Medium

Auto Iris: Normal

Color Temp: 5

Skin Tone: 3

Colour Temp Customized

Offset R: 50 Offset G: 49 Offset B: 49

Gain R: 47 Gain G: 46 Gain B: 23

Sharpness

Standard: 5

Thin Line Enhancement: 5

Thick Line Enhancement: 5

Image Enhancement: Preset 3

Gamma: Customized

0 : -11 : -18 : -18 : -18 : -14 : -7 : 6 : 0

RGBCMY

Red

Hue: 67 Saturation: 37 Brightness: 50

Green

Hue: 38 Saturation: 40 Brightness: 50

Blue

Hue: 80 Saturation: 50 Brightness: 50

Cyan

Hue: 58 Saturation: 31 Brightness: 50

Magenta:

Hue: 67 Saturation: 58 Brightness: 50

Yellow

Hue: 50 Saturation: 72 Brightness: 50

Super White: Off

Lens iris: 0

Color Space: Auto

Dynamic Range: SDR

Image processing: Fine
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As there are very few example settings for 3D in the thread, would be great if you would like to share yours with us.

I have just calibrated both 3D Cinema & 3D Dynamic & can provide my settings if you like. I am using Epson ELPHS03 glasses.
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I only have his HDR settings:


HDR neilvm -2

Color Mode: Cinema

Brightness: 53

Contrast: 100

Color Saturation: 80

Tint: 50

Power Consumption: Medium

Auto Iris: Normal

Color Temp: 5

Skin Tone: 3

Colour Temp Customized

Offset R: 50 Offset G: 49 Offset B: 49

Gain R: 47 Gain G: 46 Gain B: 23

Sharpness

Standard: 5

Thin Line Enhancement: 5

Thick Line Enhancement: 5

Image Enhancement: Preset 3

Gamma: Customized

0 : -11 : -18 : -18 : -18 : -14 : -7 : 6 : 0

RGBCMY

Red

Hue: 67 Saturation: 37 Brightness: 50

Green

Hue: 38 Saturation: 40 Brightness: 50

Blue

Hue: 80 Saturation: 50 Brightness: 50

Cyan

Hue: 58 Saturation: 31 Brightness: 50

Magenta:

Hue: 67 Saturation: 58 Brightness: 50

Yellow

Hue: 50 Saturation: 72 Brightness: 50

Super White: Off

Lens iris: 0

Color Space: Auto

Dynamic Range: SDR

Image processing: Fine

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Thanks for posting nielvm's setting for HDR. Hopefully someone will post his SDR setting. Do you use this setting for both HDR and SDR sources? I am not a gamer.

I have read great things about HarperVision, Orcus Varuna and ROB1976’s settings. I am going to give these a shot. The setting I have found is missing the offset/gain and CMS value for Harpervision. See attachment.

My theater is fully light controlled but the ceiling is white and wall and carpet are beige. The wall behind the screen is painted black. I have a dual 110” 2.35 and 106” 16 x 9 HDTV Da-Lite HP 2.8 gain screen mated my current projectors (JVC X35/RS46) which is shelf mounted in the back of the room 20’ away, lens pointing exactly the center of the screen so I have a lot of gain. I also have an Optoma HD8200 mounted on the ceiling 14 feet away. With both projectors, the brightness I am getting is just incredible. It’s like watching one giant LCD screen. Very nice bright pictures but way too bright with new lamp. The JVC has 1800 lamp hours and I have the iris closed all the way down and image is still bright. SDR image look as good as my Sony X900E HDR TV with my current setup, but come short on blacks especially on the Optoma HD8200. The JVC has very good blacks on my HP screen with the iris fully closed or half closed. Still, I do give up some blacks and that is the price for high gain screen. I don’t have any experience with any other screen but willing to get the Silver ticket from Amazon or get used quality screen locally.


I will most likely pull the trigger on the Epson 5040 in the next few days. I was saving up for faux 4K eshift5 JVC but the refrub price on the Epson 5040 with free bulb is something I find hard to resist even after I read horror stories about so many issues with this projector. I am counting on Epson and my credit card company to make it right if the unit fails in the next 4 years.

What worries me now is the Epson is much brighter than my current projectors. Epson’s high lumens + high power screen may work wonders for HDR watching though, but would I lose more black is the question. I am quite sure the Epson will be too bright for SDR sources, so have to find a way to cut that brightness for SDR watching.
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AdamAttewell,

Thanks for posting nielvm's setting for HDR. Hopefully someone will post his SDR setting. Do you use this setting for both HDR and SDR sources? I am not a gamer.

I have read great things about HarperVision, Orcus Varuna and ROB1976’s settings. I am going to give these a shot. The setting I have found is missing the offset/gain and CMS value for Harpervision. See attachment.

My theater is fully light controlled but the ceiling is white and wall and carpet are beige. The wall behind the screen is painted black. I have a dual 110” 2.35 and 106” 16 x 9 HDTV Da-Lite HP 2.8 gain screen mated my current projectors (JVC X35/RS46) which is shelf mounted in the back of the room 20’ away, lens pointing exactly the center of the screen so I have a lot of gain. I also have an Optoma HD8200 mounted on the ceiling 14 feet away. With both projectors, the brightness I am getting is just incredible. It’s like watching one giant LCD screen. Very nice bright pictures but way too bright with new lamp. The JVC has 1800 lamp hours and I have the iris closed all the way down and image is still bright. SDR image look as good as my Sony X900E HDR TV with my current setup, but come short on blacks especially on the Optoma HD8200. The JVC has very good blacks on my HP screen with the iris fully closed or half closed. Still, I do give up some blacks and that is the price for high gain screen. I don’t have any experience with any other screen but willing to get the Silver ticket from Amazon or get used quality screen locally.


I will most likely pull the trigger on the Epson 5040 in the next few days. I was saving up for faux 4K eshift5 JVC but the refrub price on the Epson 5040 with free bulb is something I find hard to resist even after I read horror stories about so many issues with this projector. I am counting on Epson and my credit card company to make it right if the unit fails in the next 4 years.

What worries me now is the Epson is much brighter than my current projectors. Epson’s high lumens + high power screen may work wonders for HDR watching though, but would I lose more black is the question. I am quite sure the Epson will be too bright for SDR sources, so have to find a way to cut that brightness for SDR watching.
I was using settings posted in this thread but I have just finished calibrating all modes SDR, HDR & 3D so I am now using my own settings.

I have a fully light controlled room with the walls, ceiling & floor treated with black fabric (devore black) & I have never had an issue with the projected image being too bright as the Epson has manual iris control which I use for SDR content & for HDR you need as many nits/fL as you can get.

There really isn't such a thing as too bright for HDR on this current generation of projectors.
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As there are very few example settings for 3D in the thread, would be great if you would like to share yours with us.
Here are my setting for 3D. Left is DYNAMIC and right is CINEMA. I use DYNAMIC for color and CINEMA for B&W.


IMAGE

Brightness 51/52
Contrast 60/31
Color Sat 61/55
Tint 60/51
Sharpness 5 5 5/3 3 3
Color Temp 5/4
Skin Tone 5/4
Customized
Offset R 46/54
G 48/55
B 46/53
Gain R 48/46
G 50/47
B 49/48
Image Enhan
Image Preset 3/OFF
Super Resol 2 2/2 2
Detail Enhan 25 25/2 2
Advanced
Gamma 1/2
RGBCMY
Hue Sat Bright
50/58 50/30 48/64
57/63 51/25 46/65
61/28 50/63 44/37
46/50 50/32 41/49
52/68 49/28 69/42
Epson Superwhite OFF/OFF
Len Iris -12/0
Power Consump MED/MED
Auto Iris HIGH/HIGH


SIGNAL


3D Setup
Display AUTO/AUTO
3D Depth 0/0
Dia Screen Si 110/110
3D Brightness HIGH/HIGH
3D Viewing ON/ON
Aspect NORMAL/NORMAL
Advanced
HDMI Video Range AUTO/AUTO
Image Processing FAST/FAST (I use FAST because some 3D will show jaggy motion and using FAST eliminates it)


SETTINGS


User Button 3D Display/ 3D Display


That's it and I hope these settings help you. They work great in my completely dark HT.


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I have just calibrated both 3D Cinema & 3D Dynamic & can provide my settings if you like. I am using Epson ELPHS03 glasses.
I and I am sure many would be interested in your HDR settings Adam( not 3 D for me but others will).
I know you have been very carefully calibrating and hope we can all share your efforts.
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Hi all,

Thinking of getting a TW8300 (5040UB), but was hoping not to have to replace my HDMI cable run. The currents specs of the cable is shown here:

https://www.westcoasthifi.com.au/pro...i-cable-12-5m/

The cable only does 10.2gbps I think. Being that the TW8300 only does 10.2gbps as well, should it be ok? Or you have to take into account things like HDR support as well?

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I was using settings posted in this thread but I have just finished calibrating all modes SDR, HDR & 3D so I am now using my own settings.

I have a fully light controlled room with the walls, ceiling & floor treated with black fabric (devore black) & I have never had an issue with the projected image being too bright as the Epson has manual iris control which I use for SDR content & for HDR you need as many nits/fL as you can get.

There really isn't such a thing as too bright for HDR on this current generation of projectors.

Agreed. To give HDR justice, we need a projector with a thousands more lumens output than current projectors.

On SDR sources, in my own experience with the Da-Lite high power true 2.8 gain screen and at least 4 projectors, SDR sources are way too bright when the bulb is new with this screen. With 1800 hrs on the lamp, I still have the iris closed all the way down on the JVC and still bright enough. JVC are known to lose punch and go dim past 1000 hours. You have to see the old Da-Lite HP screen to believe it. I have used HP screen with my last 4 projectors over the last 12 years. There is less discussion of the HP screen nowadays as they are no longer made and very hard to buy used. They rarely come up for sale.


Not quite sure how accurate their measurement is, but according to projector central, on my 110" 2.35 AR 2.8 gain screen, with projection distance of 20', Epson will give me about 177 fL vs 61 fL for the JVC. 177 fL is way too bright for SDR!!! But welcome for HDR. My HT is fully light controlled expect for the white ceiling and light colored walls and carpet.

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So my projector shows firmware 1.13, on their site they only show 1.12. Anyone have a clue why this would be? Is there a special firmware for refurbished units?

It’s the latest firmware from Australia. Lots of people installed it here on the forum including me.
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It’s the latest firmware from Australia. Lots of people installed it here on the forum including me.

What was addressed in this firmware? Worth updating?
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I and I am sure many would be interested in your HDR settings Adam( not 3 D for me but others will).
I know you have been very carefully calibrating and hope we can all share your efforts.
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To prevent cluttering of this thread some of my settings can be found in my calibration thread here in the first post:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-d...cond-look.html

I have even more than I have posted there like HDR using the Digital Cinema mode & others but I wont be using then due to them either being to dim or not accurate due to the picture mode having so much error from its defaults that with the limited controls provided an acceptable result could not be achieved.
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Hi all,

If my research is correct, I think I can use a HDFury Integral 2 to dominate the shortcomings of this projector and convert a HDR 60 Hz video signal (from an Xbox One X and Nvidia Shield) to a 4K/24p (24 Hz) 4:2:2 signal that this projector requires for 4K HDR?

I can also use the Integral 2 to send the audio to a non 4K capable AVR?

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If my research is correct, I think I can use a HDFury Integral 2 to dominate the shortcomings of this projector and convert a HDR 60 Hz video signal (from an Xbox One X and Nvidia Shield) to a 4K/24p (24 Hz) 4:2:2 signal that this projector requires for 4K HDR?
“HDfury Integral 2 is capable of converting HDCP, FHD<>UHD Resolution, Chroma, Color Depth, Color Space and more” but can’t change the frame rate.
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What was addressed in this firmware? Worth updating?
Epson has never given a clear answer what was addressed. But seeing all the units being sent to owners had it installed it can’t be bad.
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“HDfury Integral 2 is capable of converting HDCP, FHD<>UHD Resolution, Chroma, Color Depth, Color Space and more” but can’t change the frame rate.
oh so it won't work then? But there appears to be plenty of 5040 owners using it for this purpose?
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I am having a hard time calibrating the image to my liking. I have saved all the calibration settngs (including HarperVision and others given a few posts above) but somehow just not getting the pop I have been hoping for. On some streaming sources the colors look oversaturated with the provided calibration settings so I have been adjusting to my taste. The issue is that the image does not appear to have the "pop" that I got with my Optoma HD20 (I know its a very old and lower grade projector but it displayed astounding image for me) that this is replacing, despite being a much higher lumen projector. I am a photographer, and in simple terms, the histograms looks compressed (like it often looks in photography HDR images) so to my taste the image appears dull and lifeless.......




To quantify, if black is 1 and super bright is 10, my images go from 1-6 no more (perhaps that's how HDR is supposed to be on projectors?)



Would love to hear others thoughts about it.
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oh so it won't work then? But there appears to be plenty of 5040 owners using it for this purpose?
They may be changing the bit depth to 8, which the Integral can do.
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They may be changing the bit depth to 8, which the Integral can do.
ah yes, from doing more reading, that's what I came across. It appears changing the bit depth to 8 causes a lot of banding issues. So maybe this isn't a good projector for HDR.
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