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ah yes, from doing more reading, that's what I came across. It appears changing the bit depth to 8 causes a lot of banding issues. So maybe this isn't a good projector for HDR.
It will play HDR properly at 24fps.
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I think it works great. Up to over 300 3Ders because of it. I'll PM you my setting for the two color modes, if you like.
Awesome! Yes that would be great if you send them through. The projector should arrive by the end of the week, so excited!

UHD Bluray Player - I'm now looking to get a 4k player and from reading the early pages of this thread I'm just wondering what the situation is now with HDR? Is there something specific I need to look out for to ensure this works correctly?

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It will play HDR properly at 24fps.
isn't that only at 8bit?
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It will play HDR properly at 24fps.
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isn't that only at 8bit?

Pretty sure that's 10 bit.
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Pretty sure that's 10 bit.
10 bit at 24 FPS, 8 bit at 60 FPS.
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To prevent cluttering of this thread some of my settings can be found in my calibration thread here in the first post:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-d...cond-look.html

I have even more than I have posted there like HDR using the Digital Cinema mode & others but I wont be using then due to them either being to dim or not accurate due to the picture mode having so much error from its defaults that with the limited controls provided an acceptable result could not be achieved.
Interesting Adam that you did not stick with Cinema or Dig Cinema.
You obviously believe that brighter is better than more accurate colour gamut which is fair enough.
Will certainly give your settings a try.
All your work is much appreciated.
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Interesting Adam that you did not stick with Cinema or Dig Cinema.
You obviously believe that brighter is better than more accurate colour gamut which is fair enough.
Will certainly give your settings a try.
All your work is much appreciated.
I have done a calibration with the Digital Cinema Color Mode & the light filter lowers image brightness to much when in medium power consumption mode.

So much so that you cant get accurate color reproduction due to lack luminance at the primary & 80% saturation points.

Even when using high power consumption luminance is still too low after grayscale calibration to hit the primaries of P3 in the BT.2020 container.

Add to this how dim the image is you get little to no HDR effect so I choose to use Natural as it gives the brightest image after calibration & is the most accurate mode from defaults.

The HDR effect to me is far more noticeable than the increased color gamut in my opinion.

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What’s the consensus on 3D glasses for the 5040? Are the “aftermarket” glasses any good? I have had it for 2 years and have never tried 3D. I really enjoyed 3D on my old BenQ w1070. Just got Alita Battle Angel yesterday and I’m mighty tempted to watch it in 3D. Thanks!
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What’s the consensus on 3D glasses for the 5040? Are the “aftermarket” glasses any good? I have had it for 2 years and have never tried 3D. I really enjoyed 3D on my old BenQ w1070. Just got Alita Battle Angel yesterday and I’m mighty tempted to watch it in 3D. Thanks!
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Heard from Stacy at Spears and Munsil that their UHD test disc should be out end of May.
I know some users here will be interested.
Have you used this new Disc yet? If so, were your original settings close? Also, is it user-friendly and worth getting for those of us who don't own calibration equipment?
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Have you used this new Disc yet? If so, were your original settings close? Also, is it user-friendly and worth getting for those of us who don't own calibration equipment?
Happy to be corrected but IMO this is the same as any other S&M disc that has gone before and is only designed and good for the evaluation of a display
You cant use it to calibrate a display
there is no cheap substitute for getting a proper calibration
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Have you used this new Disc yet? If so, were your original settings close? Also, is it user-friendly and worth getting for those of us who don't own calibration equipment?
There’s a separate thread on this test disc. Lots of useful information.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-d...iscussion.html
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Gene, that's a pretty dated list. Two of those companies no longer exist. Unfortunately several companies have dropped out of the 3D glasses business over the past few years. I recently bought and returned the Quantum N11 brand of 3D glasses which exhibited bad crosstalk.

The expensive Epson 3D glasses are the safest bet. Although there are a few good reviews for the $40 Sintron brand of 3D glasses working with Epson projectors.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BW36TXQ..._t1_B00GS1H8QO
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Gene, that's a pretty dated list. Two of those companies no longer exist. Unfortunately several companies have dropped out of the 3D glasses business over the past few years. I recently bought and returned the Quantum N11 brand of 3D glasses which exhibited bad crosstalk.

The expensive Epson 3D glasses are the safest bet. Although there are a few good reviews for the $40 Sintron brand of 3D glasses working with Epson projectors.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BW36TXQ..._t1_B00GS1H8QO

I have a pair of the Sintron and they work fine.
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XBOX Star Wars battle front on a 2.35:1?

I have been debating this for a year now and need some opinions from those who have the Epson 5040/5050/6040/6050 and are using the XBOX on a 2.35:1 screen.


I have a 150" 16:9 screen and play Star Wars Battlefront I & II a few times a week. But its mostly for Film only and I have upgraded almost all of my DVD's to 3D and 4K and %99.99 of all of them are 2.35:1.

So I am planing on getting a 2.35:1 screen. I want to keep the height as much as possible compared to my 150" 16:9, which means I have to get a 180" 2.35:1 screen

My MLP is exactly 15'


All 16:9 films (very few and do NOT have cable anymore) and XBOX games fit perfectly on my screen. And when I put on a film it adjusts perfectly side to side, but with the black bars on top and bottom.

I know with going 2.35 It will fit perfectly. but when I game I will have to ALWAYS rezoom for 16:9 on the memory settings? and will always get the side bars?

Is this what you gamers are just dealing with on your 2.35:1?

Is 15' to close for a 180' 2.35:1 screen?

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[QUOTE=welldun;58337698]Have you used this new Disc yet? If so, were your original settings close? Also, is it user-friendly and worth getting for those of us who don't own calibration equipment?[/QUOTE




Yes I did buy it and still playing around with it.
Am a total newbie at this and my only special calibration equipment is the blue filter from the WOW disc!!!
Not as easy as that and 90% of it is for experts.
Nevertheless am pleased with the purchase.
Have been able to tighten white and black levels as well as colour and improved my settings.
Have ended up using Niel's original HDR setting duly tweaked.
Did try Adam's Natural settings but they were all grossly washed out.
Just goes to show how individual PJ's vary.
There are about 8 mins of fantastic 8k footage down rezzed to 4 which are not only great eye candy but an excellent and easy to use test by its self.
Recommended if you want to go the bit extra to get the best PQ you can get.
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Yes I did buy it and still playing around with it.
Am a total newbie at this and my only special calibration equipment is the blue filter from the WOW disc!!!
Not as easy as that and 90% of it is for experts.
Nevertheless am pleased with the purchase.
Have been able to tighten white and black levels as well as colour and improved my settings.
Have ended up using Niel's original HDR setting duly tweaked.
Did try Adam's Natural settings but they were all grossly washed out.
Just goes to show how individual PJ's vary.
There are about 8 mins of fantastic 8k footage down rezzed to 4 which are not only great eye candy but an excellent and easy to use test by its self.
Recommended if you want to go the bit extra to get the best PQ you can get.
The enviroment your projector/screen is in & the screen material will play a bigger role then unit to unit tolerances. I am in a bat cave with a 1.0 gain screen.
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Gene, that's a pretty dated list. Two of those companies no longer exist. Unfortunately several companies have dropped out of the 3D glasses business over the past few years. I recently bought and returned the Quantum N11 brand of 3D glasses which exhibited bad crosstalk.

The expensive Epson 3D glasses are the safest bet. Although there are a few good reviews for the $40 Sintron brand of 3D glasses working with Epson projectors.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BW36TXQ..._t1_B00GS1H8QO
Appreciate the update! Not totally unexpected though...given that studios and TV manufacturers have again abandoned the 3D market.

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Appreciate the update! Not totally unexpected though...given that studios and TV manufacturers have again abandoned the 3D market.
There's a member over in the Epson 5050/6050 thread who has tested a few other models with a Spectracal meter. Interesting read.

https://sites.google.com/view/epson-...p_h2TAAgBxgZpV
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I received my refurb 5040UB yesterday. Service menu shows 48hours as total hours and bulb replacement count is 3, current lamp time is 0. I assume total hours of 48 means the projector has been on for only 48 since new? If so, why is the bulb count already shows 3? Projector was blowing bulbs? Compared to my JVC X35, this Epson runs very hot.

Another issue I am having is the saved lens memory doesn't recall the exact position. Each and every time I load a saved memory lens position, it is off on about 1 inch. Any ideas why?
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How's this thing hold up in ambient light? It is either benq tk800 or epson 3700 or this one. It will be in a family room on a 120 inch screen (hopefully alr) at around 15 feet throw

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I received my refurb 5040UB yesterday. Service menu shows 48hours as total hours and bulb replacement count is 3, current lamp time is 0. I assume total hours of 48 means the projector has been on for only 48 since new? If so, why is the bulb count already shows 3? Projector was blowing bulbs? Compared to my JVC X35, this Epson runs very hot.

Another issue I am having is the saved lens memory doesn't recall the exact position. Each and every time I load a saved memory lens position, it is off on about 1 inch. Any ideas why?
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-di...l#post48985465
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Thread is getting to big to do a quick search, what output do I want to set an oppo 203, and Apple TV to? Meaning like 1080p 50hz? Or one of the many options?

Thanks for the help!

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Thanks. Having owned Panasonic and JVC, I didn't know recalling saved lens position is even an issue. I will try what is recommended by Epson.
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Just got my Epson 5040UB refurbished, quick check and it doesn't look like it has any of the image defects that some have seen.

I'm thinking about picking up an Xbox One to use as a 4k UHD player. I'm sure myself and the kids would love playing games in the theater as well. I know that the HDMI bandwidth is limited on this projector, is it worth getting the Xbox One X and an HD Fury to get full 4k HDR gaming? If I'm reading this thread correctly, I won't even get 4k non hdr with the Xbox one X, it'll be an upconverted 1080p? It seems there are a few different models of HD Fury, is there a recommended one for this purpose?

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Thanks. Having owned Panasonic and JVC, I didn't know recalling saved lens position is even an issue. I will try what is recommended by Epson.


As a past Panasonic owner...neither did I. It may possibly be unique to this particular Epson series or generation.

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Hi,


I bought a refurb 5040UB a couple of weeks ago. Just realized today that every time I turn it on it defaults to HDMI2. My Denon receiver is connected to HDMI1. And that is the ONLY Port that is connected. The weird thing is that every time I turn on the projector it switches to HDMI2. And displays nothing and wait for me to flip it TO HDMI1. I never switch to HDMI2. No reason to switch.

I have searched everywhere and cannot find a default port to set nor anyone else discussing an issue like this.

It is already my second return as the 1st had the overheat issue right out of the box. It's weird - I have never seen something like this.

Any kind of reply about this would be much appreciated. Not sure what to do except call Epson.

Thanks,
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I bought a refurb 5040UB a couple of weeks ago. Just realized today that every time I turn it on it defaults to HDMI2. My Denon receiver is connected to HDMI1. And that is the ONLY Port that is connected. The weird thing is that every time I turn on the projector it switches to HDMI2. And displays nothing and wait for me to flip it TO HDMI1. I never switch to HDMI2. No reason to switch.

I have searched everywhere and cannot find a default port to set nor anyone else discussing an issue like this.

It is already my second return as the 1st had the overheat issue right out of the box. It's weird - I have never seen something like this.

Any kind of reply about this would be much appreciated. Not sure what to do except call Epson.

Thanks,
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I have done a calibration with the Digital Cinema Color Mode & the light filter lowers image brightness to much when in medium power consumption mode.

So much so that you cant get accurate color reproduction due to lack luminance at the primary & 80% saturation points.

Even when using high power consumption luminance is still too low after grayscale calibration to hit the primaries of P3 in the BT.2020 container.

Add to this how dim the image is you get little to no HDR effect so I choose to use Natural as it gives the brightest image after calibration & is the most accurate mode from defaults.

The HDR effect to me is far more noticeable than the increased color gamut in my opinion.
Thank you so much for your hard work and for sharing your settings with us. Just a question, are your HDR settings still ok to use if I’m not using that particular Panasonic player? I’m just feeding the projector using a Windows 10 HTPC with a Nvidia 1050ti video card. I know your Panasonic UHD player has a tone mapping feature, and separate 500nits and 1000nits settings which my HTPC would obviously lack.

Thank you in advance!
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Thank you so much for your hard work and for sharing your settings with us. Just a question, are your HDR settings still ok to use if I’m not using that particular Panasonic player? I’m just feeding the projector using a Windows 10 HTPC with a Nvidia 1050ti video card. I know your Panasonic UHD player has a tone mapping feature, and separate 500nits and 1000nits settings which my HTPC would obviously lack.

Thank you in advance!

Using the settings with the 1000 nit curve you should be good with titles that are mastered at 1000 nits.


Titles that are mastered at 4000 nits clipping will occur.
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