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Hi guys,



when using this setting with linker and xbox... see pcs in attach pls. So games are downscaled to 1080p but with 60Hz and full HDR its working fine. Second setting on linker is, that it keep 4k, 24Hz, HDR for UHD discs and movies.
With this settings, switching to games is automatically, but when I insert UHD disc, linker will not switch correctly and give some destroyed image and I need to reset it manually. Any ideas pls?
If I put both options in pcs 4k60 and 4k30 to 1080p or 4k... everything is working. But as I said, I want 1080p with hdr for games and 4k hdr for blu ray discs.
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Hi guys,



when using this setting with linker and xbox... see pcs in attach pls. So games are downscaled to 1080p but with 60Hz and full HDR its working fine. Second setting on linker is, that it keep 4k, 24Hz, HDR for UHD discs and movies.
With this settings, switching to games is automatically, but when I insert UHD disc, linker will not switch correctly and give some destroyed image and I need to reset it manually. Any ideas pls?
If I put both options in pcs 4k60 and 4k30 to 1080p or 4k... everything is working. But as I said, I want 1080p with hdr for games and 4k hdr for blu ray discs.
Curious, You find it worth losing 4K on games to get HDR?
I have the XB1X and Star Wars BF II is breathtaking in 4K. Would getting a linker losing 4K and gaining HDR make that much of an improvement?

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very much yes, because this PJ is not native 4k, so you are really loosing nearly nothing regards resolution. but with HDR 10bit, you gain a lot. If PJ is native 4k, I will not sacrifice it of course. I can still game with 4k, but hdr only 8bit which you may find better way for you

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I have the XB1X and Star Wars BF II is breathtaking in 4K. Would getting a linker losing 4K and gaining HDR make that much of an improvement?
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Thanks for the reply!


have you used it on 3D movies?
Which version of paint did you get and what did you apply it on? Drywall? Sprayed or rolled?
My screen goes all the way back to this article :
https://www.projectorcentral.com/paint_perfect_screen_$100.htm

Unfortunately, the paint the article is centered around doesn't exist anymore...and I'm trying to find a replacement.
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My screen goes all the way back to this article :
https://www.projectorcentral.com/paint_perfect_screen_$100.htm

Unfortunately, the paint the article is centered around doesn't exist anymore...and I'm trying to find a replacement.
I, too, did the Sherwin-Williams satin paint and found it to be too shiny (as the article's updated info inferred). So, I used their "Duration" ultra white matte blend and got nice results. This was the paint the Projector Central article suggested, before them trying out the satin version (which was brighter).

I made a sample of the "Duration" paint on a piece of drywall and brought it over to a friend's home theater I helped do the install. His screen (Monoprice Ultra HD) is ISF certified and a gain of 1.2. It is bright white with very little sheen. And gorgeous.

The "Duration" paint's color balance was precisely the same as his ISF screen. However, the gain was lower and your eye noticed the difference in 100 IRE tests.

After this test, I again thought about the "eggshell" option (similar to satin, but just a tad less shiny). I tried Dutch Boy's Ultra WHite eggshell against the "Duration" paint from Sherwin-Williams. It had identical color balance, but was a full f-stop brighter (from a DSLR light meter).

Although I have not tested the Ultra White eggshell against the ISF 1.2 gain screen, I have a hunch it will be really close to its gain. I already expect its color balance to be accurate.

I'm pretty sure that the extra brightness came from the eggshell finish over the flat finish.


All tests were with the 5040UB.
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I, too, did the Sherwin-Williams satin paint and found it to be too shiny (as the article's updated info inferred). So, I used their "Duration" ultra white matte blend and got nice results. This was the paint the Projector Central article suggested, before them trying out the satin version (which was brighter).

I made a sample of the "Duration" paint on a piece of drywall and brought it over to a friend's home theater I helped do the install. His screen (Monoprice Ultra HD) is ISF certified and a gain of 1.2. It is bright white with very little sheen. And gorgeous.

The "Duration" paint's color balance was precisely the same as his ISF screen. However, the gain was lower and your eye noticed the difference in 100 IRE tests.

After this test, I again thought about the "eggshell" option (similar to satin, but just a tad less shiny). I tried Dutch Boy's Ultra WHite eggshell against the "Duration" paint from Sherwin-Williams. It had identical color balance, but was a full f-stop brighter (from a DSLR light meter).

Although I have not tested the Ultra White eggshell against the ISF 1.2 gain screen, I have a hunch it will be really close to its gain. I already expect its color balance to be accurate.

I'm pretty sure that the extra brightness came from the eggshell finish over the flat finish.


All tests were with the 5040UB.
I painted my screen before the formulation changed..so I'm good...and the screen looks great. However, over time the paint has cracked in a couple spots...so I thought a new coat or two would be a good idea. Unfortunately, I went back to the article above and found that the formulation changed.

Thanks for the info on the paints! Let me know if you find a paint that compares well to the ISF 1.2 gain screen. If you do, maybe we can even convince them to update the 'paint on screen' article. I do know that article was popular. It is unfortunate that nobody has found a suitable replacement yet.
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Ok. Did some playing around and set 4K to these settings:
Color Mode: Bright Cinema
Brightness/Contrast/Sat/Tint at: 50
Color Temp, Skin Tone at: 4
Image Preset Mode: Preset 4
Gamma: 2
Super White: Off
Power Consumption: High
Auto Iris: Normal
HDR: Mode 1

All other settings left alone.

Changed the OPPO's Color Depth to : 12-bit. Now the OPPO's Info shows the Color Space : BT2020 YCbCr: 4:2:0 10 bit

Picture looks pretty good now.
I Saw you had a Marantz 7702 with an Epson 6040. I was wondering if you saw a drop off in video quality through the 7702 since it doesn't do 4k uhd? I ask cause I'm building my first home theater and found a good deal on a 7702 but I'm planning to upgrade to a Epson 5050 in the near future and don't want to regret the 7702. Any advice or experience would be great.
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Hi all,

I'm still so lost in getting a good picture for the XBOX ONE X
Everything seems either cloudy and a little dark, no matter what settings I play with.
Not really that hell bent on achieving faster FPS or the HDR issues some other people are dealing with- but just getting a nice clear clean bright solid picture- well balanced.

Im running the projector through an ONKYO TXRZ840 with 4K upscaling-

If anyone has found some settings that are working for them love to see it!!
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Hi all,



I'm still so lost in getting a good picture for the XBOX ONE X

Everything seems either cloudy and a little dark, no matter what settings I play with.

Not really that hell bent on achieving faster FPS or the HDR issues some other people are dealing with- but just getting a nice clear clean bright solid picture- well balanced.



Im running the projector through an ONKYO TXRZ840 with 4K upscaling-



If anyone has found some settings that are working for them love to see it!!
There is a pdf with various hdr and sdr settings somewhere in this big thread

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I Saw you had a Marantz 7702 with an Epson 6040. I was wondering if you saw a drop off in video quality through the 7702 since it doesn't do 4k uhd? I ask cause I'm building my first home theater and found a good deal on a 7702 but I'm planning to upgrade to a Epson 5050 in the near future and don't want to regret the 7702. Any advice or experience would be great.

I have since upgraded my Marantz to the SR7012 although I still have my Epson 6040, so unfortunately I can't offer advise on this.

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There is a pdf with various hdr and sdr settings somewhere in this big thread

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Yeah, have been through that document. Am using Harper for SDR movies- beautiful settings.
Nothing is really hitting the mark on XBOX ONE X though-
TBH, not sure if its another setting Im missing or should be tweaking on the X1 side.

Curious to what other people are using if they are running the same system.
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Yeah, have been through that document. Am using Harper for SDR movies- beautiful settings.

Nothing is really hitting the mark on XBOX ONE X though-

TBH, not sure if its another setting Im missing or should be tweaking on the X1 side.



Curious to what other people are using if they are running the same system.
Ah ok. I dont have an xbox to try out.

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Yeah, have been through that document. Am using Harper for SDR movies- beautiful settings.
Nothing is really hitting the mark on XBOX ONE X though-
TBH, not sure if its another setting Im missing or should be tweaking on the X1 side.

Curious to what other people are using if they are running the same system.
Hey, I've recently purchased a EH-TW8300 (same as 5040ub I think). And Xbox One X looks great. I set the projector to Digital Cinema mode and left everything else default. So games are running at 60Hz 4k. No HDR, but I'm not fussed with HDR for games anyway.
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I recently purchased a Epson 5040UB projector (refurb) as my first ever projector and I am now looking at HDMI cables. In the short term, I will need a cable that's approx. 26' long. In the long run I'd like to have an AV rack that's out of view that would require a 40'/50' cable. My questions is, would one of the following cables work for passing 4k, HDR, 4:4:4 to my projector? Are there better / cheaper options?

Monoprice Luxe Series: amazon.com/Monoprice-HDMI-Speed-Active-Cable/dp/B0186DNFLI
Monoprice HOSS Series: amazon.com/Monoprice-114471-Active-Speed-18Gbps/dp/B019FN6II0/
(Sorry I can't post working links yet)

I could try to get away with a 40' cable but that wouldnt leave much wiggle room. The Monoprice website stated that a 50' cable from the Luxe series wouldnt work, but I have no idea if a 40' cable would.

I also looked at some AmazonBasic cables with Redmere but a few reviews stated the 50' cable wasnt passing 4k/60Hz or HDR. I believe the 5040 only does 4k/30Hz but I'd really like to enjoy the HDR

Any help is greatly appreciated as I am new to the home theater thing.

Thank you!
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Yeah, have been through that document. Am using Harper for SDR movies- beautiful settings.
Nothing is really hitting the mark on XBOX ONE X though-
TBH, not sure if its another setting Im missing or should be tweaking on the X1 side.

Curious to what other people are using if they are running the same system.
I'm having a similar problem dialing in settings for my WIN10 home theater PC. I just can't seem to get the the correct combo of settings for comfortably doing PC work. Note that I have separate settings for various cinema situations ( 4K SDR, 4K HDR, etc..)...which look gorgeous. However, I can't seem to get the correct level of brightness, crispness, etc...for PC usage. If anyone does have decent WIN10 settings, please share!
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I recently purchased a Epson 5040UB projector (refurb) as my first ever projector and I am now looking at HDMI cables. In the short term, I will need a cable that's approx. 26' long. In the long run I'd like to have an AV rack that's out of view that would require a 40'/50' cable. My questions is, would one of the following cables work for passing 4k, HDR, 4:4:4 to my projector? Are there better / cheaper options?

Monoprice Luxe Series: amazon.com/Monoprice-HDMI-Speed-Active-Cable/dp/B0186DNFLI
Monoprice HOSS Series: amazon.com/Monoprice-114471-Active-Speed-18Gbps/dp/B019FN6II0/
(Sorry I can't post working links yet)

I could try to get away with a 40' cable but that wouldnt leave much wiggle room. The Monoprice website stated that a 50' cable from the Luxe series wouldnt work, but I have no idea if a 40' cable would.

I also looked at some AmazonBasic cables with Redmere but a few reviews stated the 50' cable wasnt passing 4k/60Hz or HDR. I believe the 5040 only does 4k/30Hz but I'd really like to enjoy the HDR

Any help is greatly appreciated as I am new to the home theater thing.

Thank you!

I did some research a while back and ended up going with the Monoprice HOSS cable. According to Monoprice, it has the most up to date chipset ( Spectra7 HT8181 ). More info here :

https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=14467

The cable works great for me...I have the 30ft length though. 40ft may be pushing it. You might want to consider a fiber optic cable..especially if your run is closer to 50ft.
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I'm having a similar problem dialing in settings for my WIN10 home theater PC. I just can't seem to get the the correct combo of settings for comfortably doing PC work. Note that I have separate settings for various cinema situations ( 4K SDR, 4K HDR, etc..)...which look gorgeous. However, I can't seem to get the correct level of brightness, crispness, etc...for PC usage. If anyone does have decent WIN10 settings, please share!
Sounds like you and me are in the same boat.
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I recently purchased a Epson 5040UB projector (refurb) as my first ever projector and I am now looking at HDMI cables. In the short term, I will need a cable that's approx. 26' long. In the long run I'd like to have an AV rack that's out of view that would require a 40'/50' cable. My questions is, would one of the following cables work for passing 4k, HDR, 4:4:4 to my projector? Are there better / cheaper options?

Monoprice Luxe Series: amazon.com/Monoprice-HDMI-Speed-Active-Cable/dp/B0186DNFLI
Monoprice HOSS Series: amazon.com/Monoprice-114471-Active-Speed-18Gbps/dp/B019FN6II0/
(Sorry I can't post working links yet)

I could try to get away with a 40' cable but that wouldnt leave much wiggle room. The Monoprice website stated that a 50' cable from the Luxe series wouldnt work, but I have no idea if a 40' cable would.

I also looked at some AmazonBasic cables with Redmere but a few reviews stated the 50' cable wasnt passing 4k/60Hz or HDR. I believe the 5040 only does 4k/30Hz but I'd really like to enjoy the HDR

Any help is greatly appreciated as I am new to the home theater thing.

Thank you!
I'm using a 12 metre Redmere cable that is only rated to 10.2Gbps and it works fine. You don't need an 18Gbps one, unless you wanted to future proof a bit more...
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New to the 5040...

Where is everyone setting the iris settings and why?


For anyone else running an htpc with madVR...are you using something like "harpervision" pq settings in conjunction with madVR (for HDR content in particular)? I plan to use madVR for tone mapping HDR sources, so madVR will take the HDR source and then send a tone mapped SDR signal to the pj - correct? I would guess then that I would want to concentrate on image settings that pertain to SDR and not HDR, right?


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For anyone else running an htpc with madVR...are you using something like "harpervision" pq settings in conjunction with madVR (for HDR content in particular)?
If you’re using madVR to do HDR conversion then the projector should be in Gamma 2.2 or 2.4.
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If you’re using madVR to do HDR conversion then the projector should be in Gamma 2.2 or 2.4.
Are you suggesting not to use any custom gamma settings then (such as harpervision)?

What about PQ settings on the PJ?

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Are you suggesting not to use any custom gamma settings then (such as harpervision)?

What about PQ settings on the PJ?
No, harpervision is a custom HDR curve; you need a standard SDR gamma.
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Gotcha.

So I really shouldn't use any of the image recommendations for HDR (harpervision, oledurt) that have custom gamma settings then, right?
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Have anybody here tried Netflix in 30Hz and HDR (Rec. 2020) instead of 60Hz and SDR with your Shield?

Before the update it always only streamed in 1080p even if you had selected 4k 30Hz and HDR.

What do you guys think?

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Have anybody here tried Netflix in 30Hz and HDR (Rec. 2020) instead of 60Hz and SDR with your Shield?

Before the update it always only streamed in 1080p even if you had selected 4k 30Hz and HDR.

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Do you feel like it's as smooth as in 60Hz?

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I'll have to try it this weekend and see

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Tried a little bit now with 23.97Hz (some weeks ago I only tried in 30Hz and that wasn't that good) and it seems to work good and smooth in 3 shows.

Another question; Do you know if Netflix are using Rec. 709 in HDR and not Rec. 2020? The information in my 6040 say it's recieving Rec. 709.

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Tried a little bit now with 23.97Hz (some weeks ago I only tried in 30Hz and that wasn't that good) and it seems to work good and smooth in 3 shows.

Another question; Do you know if Netflix are using Rec. 709 in HDR and not Rec. 2020? The information in my 6040 say it's recieving Rec. 709.

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If you’re running in 10 bit mode Netflix HDR should be in BT2020.
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