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I don't think any of the 5040's are noiseless when 4K enhancement is on. How loud the noise is and at what pitch it is may vary, so that some people can't hear it. I think that is why you are getting some people reporting that they do not hear anything and yet others report hearing a noise. And then there are the few that have a projector that makes a lot of noise. Those are the ones that should be exchanged. When you call them and say yours makes noise and you want a silent one, then they can't accommodate you.
Not certain about this as there does not appear to be any differentition in sound levels engaged or disengaged in my projector. Neither myself, my wife, children or the pets LOL have been able to discern any difference in a blind sound test.

I think the only way we could verify this postulation would be for someone to run some type of sound analysis software in a room with the projector running the different modes with graphs plotted to isolate the anamoly.

Has anyone experiencing this issue run any sound analysis software to capture it? Could we use REW "off label" as such a tool... for example?

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Thanks Viche and the others that have clarified... very informative!!
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Not certain about this as I can't hear mine nor can my wife, children or the pets. I think the only way we could verify this postulation would be for someone to run some type of sound analysis software in a room with the projector running the different modes with graphs plotted to isolate the anamoly.

Has anyone experiencing this issue run any sound analysis software to capture it? Could we use REW "off label" as such a tool... for example?
Maybe your noise happens to be on the quiet side and is masked by the fan noise. Cine4home, which sees many of these units, reported that all of them that he has seen, make some noise. That has also been my experience. Sounds like you may have a golden sample, noise wise.
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Maybe your noise happens to be on the quiet side and is masked by the fan noise. Cine4home, which sees many of these units, reported that all of them that he has seen, make some noise. That has also been my experience. Sounds like you may have a golden sample, noise wise.
I hope so but it could also be a genetic shortcoming... except the pets of course REW is on my "hit list" of actions once I get my Elite Screen AUHD installed so if anyone has guidance on how to use it to capture the noise differences, I would be happy to implement those steps and report back my findings.

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Hi. Does anyone have a suggestion for this issue? I was hoping to get "RGB" color format and "full" output dynamic range. Is there a recommended display settings for Nvdia GTX cards for this projector, including what's refersh rate I should set it too?
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24 or 30fps, 12-bit & 4:4:4 should work just fine
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Minor clarification/correction.
24/30p 12-bit 4:4:4 is ONLY supported by the wireless version of this projector (5040ube) and even then (based on tlhe manual), that signal is converted down (in the projector) to 10-bit 4:2:2 so my recommendation SHOULD have been...

Set your game card's output to ...
24/30 10-bit 4:2:2

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I own the 5040UB and love it. I am need of a new 100" - 106" 16:9 motorized projection screen. Would like a tab-tensioned screen this time around as my old one is curled on the sides. It's in a family multi room setting with tan tile floors walls and white ceiling. I have decent control over ambient light but in no way total light control. I like to watch during the day sometimes but mainly at night. I know this is not a screen forum, but I'm not sure where to find the correct info on here for my particular projector? I currently have a matt white with 1.1 gain but not sure if a grey screen or an ambient light rejecting screen is needed? Trying to stay under a $1000. Projector is ceiling mounted about 13.6ft away from screen and about 12ft viewing distance. I apologize for the off topic question in regards to the 5040UB thread, so if anybody could just send a link with any info on my question or have any input would be great. Thanks.
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Go to screens forum they will be happy to help you and have way better input than here.
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I own the 5040UB and love it. I am need of a new 100" - 106" 16:9 motorized projection screen. Would like a tab-tensioned screen this time around as my old one is curled on the sides. It's in a family multi room setting with tan tile floors walls and white ceiling. I have decent control over ambient light but in no way total light control. I like to watch during the day sometimes but mainly at night. I know this is not a screen forum, but I'm not sure where to find the correct info on here for my particular projector? I currently have a matt white with 1.1 gain but not sure if a grey screen or an ambient light rejecting screen is needed? Trying to stay under a $1000. Projector is ceiling mounted about 13.6ft away from screen and about 12ft viewing distance. I apologize for the off topic question in regards to the 5040UB thread, so if anybody could just send a link with any info on my question or have any input would be great. Thanks.
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Just bit the bullet and ordered my new Epson 5040 UBE to replace my Epson 5010e, Now the long wait for the fed-ex truck Monday
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Not certain about this as there does not appear to be any differentition in sound levels engaged or disengaged in my projector. Neither myself, my wife, children or the pets LOL have been able to discern any difference in a blind sound test.

I think the only way we could verify this postulation would be for someone to run some type of sound analysis software in a room with the projector running the different modes with graphs plotted to isolate the anamoly.

Has anyone experiencing this issue run any sound analysis software to capture it? Could we use REW "off label" as such a tool... for example?
On my sample, using Amazon Fire HD 4K box, REW shows a distinct peak at 419.6Hz. Playing a 420Hz tone via a signal generator matches the perceived sound of the PJ in this mode.

The green line is with 4Ke off, the purple line is with it on.



The 4Ke line is about 30db above the equivalent line with 4Ke off, and very noticeable.
Not evident on 50Hz material.

419.6 is exactly 7x the input frame rate.
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Just bit the bullet and ordered my new Epson 5040 UBE to replace my Epson 5010e, Now the long wait for the fed-ex truck Monday
I received a great deal (I think) on the 6040UB which will replace my 3020. 3020 x 2 = 6040

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Should we get the wireless version so that we can get 12 bit 4:2:2 24hz/30hz?
Or don't bother and stick to wired?
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Roku Ultra feels like it is properly displaying HDR via Netflix and Amazon video. There is obvious banding though.
I'm going to assume that it's not actually displaying HDR, and that the banding you are seeing is the result of the down converstion from 10 to 8-bit color. HDR requires 10-bit color. As always. open to discussion.
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On my sample, using Amazon Fire HD 4K box, REW shows a distinct peak at 419.6Hz. Playing a 420Hz tone via a signal generator matches the perceived sound of the PJ in this mode.

The green line is with 4Ke off, the purple line is with it on.



The 4Ke line is about 30db above the equivalent line with 4Ke off, and very noticeable.
Not evident on 50Hz material.

419.6 is exactly 7x the input frame rate.
Good content here. Is there a possiblity that the frequencies used in your area of the world may impact what you are observing?

or perhaps connection-based factors? US household connections have a 3rd wire for ground but (if I recall correctly) some UK circuits are simply a 2-prong socket. Could the noise you happen to be hearing be related to the absent ground prong in your power stream?

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I'm going to assume that it's not actually displaying HDR, and that the banding you are seeing is the result of the down converstion from 10 to 8-bit color. HDR requires 10-bit color. As always. open to discussion.
Speaking of banding, I tried fiddling with changing the HDR setting from Auto to HDR1 on a UHD movie (Oblivion). Although this results in a brighter picture, there is banding clearly evident on early scenes of the blue sky as Tom is entering his vehicle/plane. So, I recommend leaving this setting at Auto. An additional side effect of changing the setting is that you now have to continue manually intervening when switching between content sources, so other users in the home that are not as technically proficient will accidentally end up viewing blu rays in an HDR mode, which causes terribly distorted colors. Some reviews have pointed at changing this setting on UHD content but they must not have been viewing with a sharp eye, because the increased brightness comes at cost of introducing banding, which is distracting and not how the picture is intended to be viewed.
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Good content here. Is there a possiblity that the frequencies used in your area of the world may impact what you are observing?

or perhaps connection-based factors? US household connections have a 3rd wire for ground but (if I recall correctly) some UK circuits are simply a 2-prong socket. Could the noise you happen to be hearing be related to the absent ground prong in your power stream?
I am in new residential construction. I do not hear any audible sound with eshift engaged, with or without the sound on, from the variety of listening positions I have attempted. A good portion of my time has been spent walking around the room fiddling with settings. If there was an audible tone, I would have heard it. I don't discount that some people are hearing something, but I disagree that every projector suffers from it. There are so many variables that could contribute to this noise that some people are hearing. Grounding issues or ground loops are possibilities.
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Anyone have any idea how much the input lag is when using wireless HDMI transmission?
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Anyone have any idea how much the input lag is when using wireless HDMI transmission?
What logic makes you think wireless would induce a delay?

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What logic makes you think wireless would induce a delay?
By it's nature, the encapsulation/decapsulation of data generally some extra latency, just curious if anyone has measured it.
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If you can provide a screenshot or someone else can confirm the wireless support of HDR (4:2:2, 24hz, 12bit), I'll add that to the compatibility list.
Here it is.



Not wireless related, I can confirm some annoying coil whine at some 60hz modes and settings.
I have to do a proper test, but as far as I can rembember (I used a PC) 1080p/60hz with digital cinema mode (not the other modes) and 4k/60hz (all modes) are affected.
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By it's nature, the encapsulation/decapsulation of data generally some extra latency, just curious if anyone has measured it.
AFAIK the wireless technology used by epson should add no delay.
The downside is the transmitter and the projector need to be visible to each other.
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AFAIK the wireless technology used by epson should add no delay.
The downside is the transmitter and the projector need to be visible to each other.
Oh, so even an internal wall or a curtain, would interfere?
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By it's nature, the encapsulation/decapsulation of data generally some extra latency, just curious if anyone has measured it.
From my understanding input lag and latency are not one in the same, there's some great articles on it as well as response time.
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I don't want to start a JVC vs Epson war, however I'm interested in understanding the technical differences between the Epson 9300/5040 vs JVV 5000/RS400

I've read on here that various sources don't work or are limited on the Epson. Is it the same on the JVC specification wise?


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Epson authorized dealer? Out of curiosity, what do we get with an authorized dealer that is lost by buying the projector from a non-authorized dealer?


Looking at the warranty, it doesn't state it has to be purchased from an authorized dealer or warranty is void. So what is the value add?


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Thanks. I'll get it from an authorized dealer.

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From my understanding input lag and latency are not one in the same, there's some great articles on it as well as response time.
Thanks, I understand latency (the time it takes data to travel from one place to another) is different from input lag (the time the effect of say pressing a button on a controller takes to register on the screen), however latency does add to the overall amount of input lag. That said, it's a moot point as it sounds like the wireless transmission in the Epson doesn't have an effect on it . It's kind of weird that over wireless there seems to be more functionality in terms of supported video formats than over a wired connection, seems like a slight mis-step from Epson. Based on what I have read here it seems if you can do it (line of sight etc) wireless is the way to go.
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Thanks, I understand latency (the time it takes data to travel from one place to another) is different from input lag (the time the effect of say pressing a button on a controller takes to register on the screen), however latency does add to the overall amount of input lag. That said, it's a moot point as it sounds like the wireless transmission in the Epson doesn't have an effect on it . It's kind of weird that over wireless there seems to be more functionality in terms of supported video formats than over a wired connection, seems like a slight mis-step from Epson. Based on what I have read here it seems if you can do it (line of sight etc) wireless is the way to go.
if it's the same as the 5030ube it should be using the 60ghz frequency which has come a long way in a short time and yes very odd how the wireless seems to be more capable to the wired counterpart.
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Good content here. Is there a possiblity that the frequencies used in your area of the world may impact what you are observing?

or perhaps connection-based factors? US household connections have a 3rd wire for ground but (if I recall correctly) some UK circuits are simply a 2-prong socket. Could the noise you happen to be hearing be related to the absent ground prong in your power stream?
The PJ is on a normal UK power socket (50Hz) so if there were any ground loop/hum issues I'd expect something at 50Hz or a multiple. Nothing like that, the peaks with 4Ke on are very precisely multiples of the exact input frequency.

For 50Hz input (Sky HD box, 1080i) there is indeed a smallish sharp peak with 4Ke on compared to off. It is at 1350Hz, which is 27x the input. However, I struggled to hear the difference. The 60Hz input has the main peak at 419.6Hz (7x) and smaller ones at 540Hz (9x) and 1378.6Hz (23x) but it is the 419.6Hz one which is particularly evident. Lots of odd but exact multiples there, you'd think they were trying to avoid resonances...

My guess is that whatever opto-mechanical arrangement is driving the 4K enhancement is bound to be operating on various multiples of the frame rate, and the 419.6Hz noise is simply the sound of some component of that operation. It does vary according to listening position, the wavelength is about 86cm so plenty of scope for interference effects with the reflected sound from the ceiling just above the PJ.

I'd still like confirmation or otherwise that a 60Hz or 59.94Hz input gives this noise for other users. In my case it is an Amazon Fire TV 4K box. It is also clear in my case that for 50Hz and 24Hz inputs, and with 24Hz UHD, there is no noticeable noise.

Edited to add: I've updated the firmware, and no noticeable difference in noise.

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