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post #19021 of 19799 Old 03-11-2020, 07:30 PM
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Hi, I'm hoping someone can check my math to set my mind at ease. I ordered the 5040ub through the refurbished deal and was just playing around with some calculators that have me thinking its going to be WAY too bright for my room. . . maybe.

I'm attaching screenshots of the numbers. Projector central said I'd be at 83 fL with my current setup. I read a post that Web Projector Calculator is more accurate so I tried that. If I put the projector all the way in the back of the room and use the Lamp Low mode it says I'll be at 36.4 fL ([email protected] hours). It seems like that would be the high end of okay, but I'm seeking reassurance. I never would have imagined I'd be in a situation with a projector that was too bright.

If you're still reading and want back story, my 10 year old Optoma HD20 finally blew it's bulb so I get to upgrade. I was pointed to the refurb deal on another thread. My home theater room is 10 feet wide and 19 feet from the back wall to the projector screen (there's another 3 feet behind the screen to accommodate a door swinging open). It's a 100" elite screens motorized screen I mounted lower than the ceiling. Front row is 10 or 11 feet, second row is 14 feet. I'll put room pics in the next post.

I did some searching throughout this thread and it got me is analysis paralysis so I just had to ask. Thanks for your help.
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Here are some pics of my room. Klipsch speakers and surrounds. Bic America F12 sub. Home made acoustic panels. I had a 120" at my last place but it wouldn't fit in this room. Well it would if I got rid of the floor speakers, or got an acoustically transparent screen. I tried two transparent screens and wasn't happy. This was the motorized one that would fit and was what I could afford at the time.

I have a Tivo, PS3, and 4K AppleTV. Looks like the Panasonic UB420 is at Best Buy, should I get one of those? Or an Xbox One S? I don't game much, but if more money gets me a gaming system then I'd do it. Open to suggestions.
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Projector Central calculator shows the highest brightness, the webproject calculator is the most accurate.

Going from 100% zoom to 0% zoom, there is a 27% light loss.

The DCI P3 filter reduces light output by 50%. It increases DCI P3 coverage from ~87% to 100% or higher.

With the filter the projector can do ~800 lumens in Medium lamp, which means ~33fL. For HDR the fL requirement depends on the tone mapper, the better the lower the requirement. 33fL is an ok value, especially since lamps dim over time.
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Received my unit. Everything checks out OK, and is working great. So far I am really impressed with this projector. Using a 133" white over black spandex screen and a HTPC at 1080p. Only watched a few movies so far, and have only made minor adjustments, but the picture is fantastic. Even lower resolution files (DVD) look very good.
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There is also a manual iris that you can close down if the image is too bright.


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Could anyone measure the spacing on the bottom (top when it's flipped) of the mounting locations for me? Just side to side width and length. Mine was supposed to show up today but now it says Monday so I can't measure for myself.

I scored a Chief mount on eBay for $35. Of course the mounting plate is for something else. Rather than spend over $100 for the right one (and have to wait even longer for it) I'm ready to just buy a steel cookie sheet and bolt it to the existing plate and drill holes in the spots to mount the projector. Are we allowed to be that ghetto here? Or and I going to get yelled at? ha

I don't need precise spacing measurements, just overall so I can buy the right size pan.
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I tried searching for this answer but couldn't find it.

I just got a Linker for my 5040 and Xbox One X, what do I need to set the linker settings at to game in 4K/HDR?

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I'm using a 5040 UB with an Nvidia Shield and Kodi that has normal 4k/1080p content and some 4k HDR content. Is there one setting someone can share on the project/shield that would work well for both? Right now some normal 4k content has the whites very washed out/hard to see but looks perfect/amazing in HDR content.
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So my current projector has crapped the bed. I'm seriously considering the 5040 as it looks solid for the price point. I currently have a 138" curved 2.35:1 screen and an anamorphic lens. I have heard that the 5040 doesn't do anamorphic stretch, but I do have an Oppo 203. Would I be good to go with this projector? I also have a gaming PC hooked up to my setup with a custom resolution for the screen, so I'm guessing if I wanted that image to fill the screen I'd have to zoom with this projector? It sucks that anamorphic stretch seems to be going extinct these days with the exception of more expensive projectors. My inexpensive Optoma HD3300 that I'm currently using has it...
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Epson PJs usually have anamorphic settings.My 6040 does and it works very well.Check out the manual on line.
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Epson PJs usually have anamorphic settings.My 6040 does and it works very well.Check out the manual on line.
The pro Cinema line has anamorphic settings. the home Cinema line does not have anamorphic settings. That has always been the case with Epson projectors the more expensive line gets the anamorphic settings

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The pro Cinema line has anamorphic settings. the home Cinema line does not have anamorphic settings. That has always been the case with Epson projectors the more expensive line gets the anamorphic settings

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Ok thanks. Yes, I compared the two manuals online and it appears that you are correct. I'll have to get the 6040.

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Ok thanks. Yes, I compared the two manuals online and it appears that you are correct. I'll have to get the 6040.
I believe that you can use the Oppo 203 in conjunction with a 5040 and your anamorphic lens. I apologize I can't explain exactly how it works but I remember talking to @Josh Z about this topic. He has forgotten more about home theater than I will ever know.

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HDMI/Advances settings
HDR/Colour Gamut Output - SDR/BT2020
Option (Remote)
HDR Optimiser On
DR Conversion +8
Tone Curve (White) +4
Tone Curve (Black) -4

Epson

Digital Cinema
Brightness 51
Contrast 62
Color Saturation 52
Tint 50
Sharpness 9/9/9
Color temp 4
Skin tone 3
Image enhancement 3
Super resolution 6/6

Advanced
Gamma - customised
0,-14,-24,-26,-27,-28, -26, 16, 32
RGB 50/50/50 for all
Super White off
Iris 0
Power medium
Auto iris normal

Signal/Advanced
Dynamic Range SDR
Image processing fast

Or
Panny - output HDR BT2020
HDR Optimiser on
DR adjustment +1 or +2

Epson
Digital Cinema
Brightness 46
Contrast 100
Color sat 72
Tint 50
Color temp 4
Skin tone 3
Gamma - as above
Power - high
Singal/advanced
Dynamic range SDR




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I just picked up a 5040ub and a panasonic 420. The 5040ub is awesome in every way compared to my old epson 8345! Can anyone help with a couple of these settings:
in the 420 where do I find these?:
Option (Remote)
HDR Optimiser On
DR Conversion +8
Tone Curve (White) +4
Tone Curve (Black) -4



Also this for the 5040ub:

Gamma - customised 0,-14,-24,-26,-27,-28, -26, 16, 32
I use the remote to change the dots graph? What does this do?


Is there a way to save different settings profiles in the 5040ub?
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I just picked up a 5040ub and a panasonic 420. The 5040ub is awesome in every way compared to my old epson 8345! Can anyone help with a couple of these settings:
in the 420 where do I find these?:
Option (Remote)
HDR Optimiser On
DR Conversion +8
Tone Curve (White) +4
Tone Curve (Black) -4



Also this for the 5040ub:

Gamma - customised 0,-14,-24,-26,-27,-28, -26, 16, 32
I use the remote to change the dots graph? What does this do?


Is there a way to save different settings profiles in the 5040ub?
Hey! Glad you are enjoying the 5040ub, it's a great machine!
Those settings are for outputting SDRBT2020 which after my testing, gives a better image than direct HDR.

So if you set your 420 to output SDR2020, when you are playing a 4k disc press the 'option' button on the Panny remote and then you can choose those settings for HDR Optimizer/DR etc.

5040- yes, just move those dots with the remote control to set to those numbers. This is a custom gamma curve that works with those picture settings.

Report back and let us know how you get on!

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Last week I rented a movie on my Apple TV 4K. The picture didn't look as sharp as it usually does, so I did some checking. For reasons I don't understand, the ATV had reset the resolution from 4K SDR to 720P. Not only that, the ATV did not offer any 4K settings; the highest offered is 1080P. When connected to another 4K TV, the ATV will output 4K, which suggests to me the problem is some setting in the Epson 5040. I haven't intentionally changed anything, but did update the Epson firmware a few weeks ago. Can anyone figure out why the 5040 no longer communicates with the ATV to tell it it will accept 4K signals? I looked through the Epson manual, but found nothing helpful. It does look like I can do a reset all config and reset the projector, while preserving the settings I have stored in memory, so I may give that a try. I'd really like to figure what went wrong, so I can fix it should it recur but admit I am baffled at this point.

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I believe that you can use the Oppo 203 in conjunction with a 5040 and your anamorphic lens. I apologize I can't explain exactly how it works but I remember talking to @Josh Z about this topic. He has forgotten more about home theater than I will ever know.

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That's correct.
That is how I used my 203 before I made the Panny UB420 my main player which does not have an anamorphic function.
Actually it's better than the 6040 PJ as it also rearranges the menu accordingly in the Scope format.
If you use the 6040, you will have the option to use either.
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Looking for some help, I have the 5040, which as I understand can upscale to 4K? I have an older receiver which will not do 4k. Is it possible to run the HDMI from the apple tv straight to the projector and then run audio back to the receiver?
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Looking for some help, I have the 5040, which as I understand can upscale to 4K? I have an older receiver which will not do 4k. Is it possible to run the HDMI from the apple tv straight to the projector and then run audio back to the receiver?
If the ATV has two HDMI (Video & audio) outputs, then yes. Many disc players have this capability and accommodate the lack of 4K pass through in this way.

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If the ATV has two HDMI (Video & audio) outputs, then yes. Many disc players have this capability and accommodate the lack of 4K pass through in this way.
I am unfamiliar with the atv acronym, but it seems like your saying if the player device has 2 outputs i can just run one hdmi to the projector and one to the receiver and it should work then?
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I am unfamiliar with the atv acronym, but it seems like your saying if the player device has 2 outputs i can just run one hdmi to the projector and one to the receiver and it should work then?
ATV = Apple TV

As I don’t own an Apple TV streamer, I’m not familiar with its HDMI output config...but the answer to your question is yes if it has two outputs.

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I'm looking to get some thoughts on replacement lamps.

Any of you ever tried the one made by KORSAE? Or do you always get OEM?

The KORSAE one on amazon is significantly cheaper than the OEM lamps from other retailers. Is there much of a difference?
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Settings PSA

Just a quick note to the new 5040/6040 users that there is a settings summary here.

Always recommend calibration, but as not too many calibrators traveling right now, this will at least get you started.
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Hey, I've got a question that could go either on the Panasonic UB820 or these pages.

Soooo, the 820 upconverts to 4K but can be disabled to output HD1080p of course. I was wondering, has anyone run detailed testing to determine if it was better to allow the player to upconvert to 4K and allow the 5040 to display it as is - or disable the 820 from upconverting and allow the 5040 to do the 4K upconvert?

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Just a quick note to the new 5040/6040 users that there is a settings summary here.

Always recommend calibration, but as not too many calibrators traveling right now, this will at least get you started.
Thanks HT Guy for bringing that settings list up again. It sure will help some of the new owners!
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Thanks HT Guy for bringing that settings list up again. It sure will help some of the new owners!
This list is pretty ancient.
Lots has happened since they were written.
Suggest you start with Brett's settings above.
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All those settings are a good starting point for all the color modes.

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Hey guys, I just bought a Benq ht3550. It was delivered defective, loud, dim picture, hdmi signal loss with multiple different hdmi, and eventually the projector died. I have 140 inch white matte screen, also a grey one. Dedicated theater room. My question do you think this would be a upgrade to the Ht3550 or just get another Ht3550? I also have enough material to build a 2.39 aspect ratio screen.
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Well, I picked up a refurb 5040 off Epson for 1149 with the 2 year warranty. I wanted the 5050. Paying almost 1600 more killed me and I my wallet made the decision. If the 5040 dies after the 2 year warranty, the 5050 might be 1600 by then. Lol

Funny thing is that after I ordered it , my phone rang from 562-981-3840. It was Epson USA security calling asking to make sure I ordered the projector. That number seems legit as their corporate #.
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Here is a really good calibration setting by Adam for the 6040UB which is almost identical to the 5040UB. He's got different settings for SDR and HDR.

Projector Calibration (6040UB) - Second Look
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