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Does anyone know if Kanto Living P101 ceiling projector mount is sturdy enough to hold the 5040?
It's the only one I've found that is only 3" from the ceiling down but says Max Weight 22lb and I know the 5040 is 24.7lb. Has anyone used this one of know of any that is 3" (4"max)?
Never heard of that mount, but the "Chief" brand of mounts are known to be high quality and their low profile versions
should put the top of your pj about 3" from the ceiling (give or take maybe a quarter inch depending on your adjustments).
I just measured mine and it's about 3 1/8" from the ceiling.
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For those in the "know" could someone please tell me which projectors competes with the 5040ub on price point and feature set?

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For those in the "know" could someone please tell me which projectors competes with the 5040ub on price point and feature set?

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I am looking forward to see those results. Any news?
Sorry for the delay. Preliminary results were pretty positive. My signal chain was PS4 Pro -> Denon x4200w -> 5040UB

Earlier in the thread a couple of people wanted confirmation that the 5040UB could display 1080P HDR out of the box and the first attachment is proof of that. No work had to be done to achieve it. I just started up uncharted 4 and it asked me if I wanted HDR. I said yes and it did the rest.

The second picture was a bit harder. Now the signal chain was PS4 Pro -> HD Fury Linker -> Denon x4200w -> 5040UB. In the linker I set the profile to scale down from a 4K/60/4:2:0/10b signal to a matching one but at 8bits. And since the linker was advertising to the ps4 that it could handle more, the PS4 allowed me to toggle HDR on at 4K. This was also achieved earlier in the thread by someone with a lumagen pro as well. The second attachment is proof of that.

The only issue occurred when switching modes, such as toggling HDR in game or quitting back to the menu which forced HDR off. What occurred resembled HDMI handshaking issues where the signal would take about 10 seconds to lock, but in some cases it gave up before it finished. In those instances I hit a reset button on the Linker which forced another handshake and things settled out. I'm going to use it a bit more tonight before bed and see how it goes.

Ask me any questions and I'll do my best to answer them.
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Is this projector that good? My knowledge is limited about projectors but I have heard lots of good things about Epson. I want to recommend this projector to my condo board as a replacement for the outdated current projector they have in the shared facilities condo theater.

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The second picture was a bit harder. Now the signal chain was PS4 Pro -> HD Fury Linker -> Denon x4200w -> 5040UB.
I just got my Linker today as well. I did some fiddling trying to get 4K 4:2:2 BT2020 SDR at 24Hz (I used EDID 18) from a Philips UHD player. Unfortunately, I don't have a laptop at home today so I was running back and forth to my desktop to change settings on the Linker. I was not able to get BT2020 SDR. I was getting 4K 4:2:2 BT709 SDR. Can you see if you have the same experience? I confess its getting late and I may not be understanding what the output should be. I thought you could retain the WCG (BT2020) while stripping HDR.

In the Linker's settings, it defaults to HDCP 1.4. If I set it manually to 2.2, I have handshake issues every few seconds.

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I bought the Active3D and they work VERY well. Others have picked up the Samsung5100's & used successfully but others picked up Samsung5150s & had problems with those

I believe that there is a separate thread for the 3D glasses
Ditto on the Active 3D. I also have the Samsungs, and I think that the Active work better.

A bit more expensive, but worth it.

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Is this projector that good? My knowledge is limited about projectors but I have heard lots of good things about Epson. I want to recommend this projector to my condo board as a replacement for the outdated current projector they have in the shared facilities condo theater.

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You asked "price point and feature set" and that was the answer.
Now for your application, do you really need this PJ. That question only you can answer.
May be a simple 1080P would work.
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I just got a call from Epson support stating that they have finally nailed down the cause of the 'freeze' issue I (and at least one other member here) have been having with the 5040. They said a firmware fix is in the works and we should be seeing it in an upcoming version.

I am very impressed with their responsiveness and willingness to get these issues resolved.
I emailed the guy that I had worked with at Epson, and he said...

"They [engineering] said is was a combination of settings, but did not get into specifics. We've been told that we should be getting a firmware update sometime later this month or early next month. [emphasis added]
As soon as the update is released, I will send you an Email with a link to download the firmware update."



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I am looking forward to see those results. Any news?
Sorry for the delay. Preliminary results were pretty positive. My signal chain was PS4 Pro -> Denon x4200w -> 5040UB

Earlier in the thread a couple of people wanted confirmation that the 5040UB could display 1080P HDR out of the box and the first attachment is proof of that. No work had to be done to achieve it. I just started up uncharted 4 and it asked me if I wanted HDR. I said yes and it did the rest.

The second picture was a bit harder. Now the signal chain was PS4 Pro -> HD Fury Linker -> Denon x4200w -> 5040UB. In the linker I set the profile to scale down from a 4K/60/4:2:0/10b signal to a matching one but at 8bits. And since the linker was advertising to the ps4 that it could handle more, the PS4 allowed me to toggle HDR on at 4K. This was also achieved earlier in the thread by someone with a lumagen pro as well. The second attachment is proof of that.

The only issue occurred when switching modes, such as toggling HDR in game or quitting back to the menu which forced HDR off. What occurred resembled HDMI handshaking issues where the signal would take about 10 seconds to lock, but in some cases it gave up before it finished. In those instances I hit a reset button on the Linker which forced another handshake and things settled out. I'm going to use it a bit more tonight before bed and see how it goes.

Ask me any questions and I'll do my best to answer them.
How was the quality with the 8 bit hdr? Was it a noticeable upgrade from non hdr? I'm trying to decide if I should get an HD fury linker or just go with 1080p upscale /hdr...
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Is this projector that good? My knowledge is limited about projectors but I have heard lots of good things about Epson. I want to recommend this projector to my condo board as a replacement for the outdated current projector they have in the shared facilities condo theater.

Thanks
WAY overkill as this supports 4K and it is unlikely that you would need that for your target audience. How large is the space you are trying to "light up" with a projector? What size screen is it diagonally?

What you probably would want would be a VERY bright 1080p projector around this same price point or possibly even a lower cost model

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I just got my Linker today as well. I did some fiddling trying to get 4K 4:2:2 BT2020 SDR at 24Hz (I used EDID 18) from a Philips UHD player. Unfortunately, I don't have a laptop at home today so I was running back and forth to my desktop to change settings on the Linker. I was not able to get BT2020 SDR. I was getting 4K 4:2:2 BT709 SDR. Can you see if you have the same experience? I confess its getting late and I may not be understanding what the output should be. I thought you could retain the WCG (BT2020) while stripping HDR.

In the Linker's settings, it defaults to HDCP 1.4. If I set it manually to 2.2, I have handshake issues every few seconds.
Have you tried putting the Linker between the Denon and the 5040? I ordered one too and should be getting it in a few days, so hopefully you figure it out before I get mine, haha!

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Can someone test the linker with a Xbox one S and the 5040 wired? Does it playback UHD 4K Blu ray and also Netflix and YouTube 4K HDR?


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i have a large learning curve in front of me as i ordered a c6 pro. Mr Harper. i do hope Mr kingsley gets 2020 working before dec 1. i stated before i was able to get the philips to output 2020 with out hdr i was wrong it was late and i needed to rest for work. what i did find out the projector can be locked up by changing source say a ruko playing 4k with extended range set on and than switching to philips 4k blue ray locked me out of normal range. picture was washed out dim with no pop.as posted above not like a 4k tv.this is not a major problem as i was able to get hdr back bright and bold as ever. also side note i find th ruko will output 2020 with hdr on amazon only the others netflex vudo... 709. 709 looks good if you set extended range on and super white on with the ruko.
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Have you tried putting the Linker between the Denon and the 5040? I ordered one too and should be getting it in a few days, so hopefully you figure it out before I get mine, haha!
I tried both ways, same result. I feel like I need to hook it up live with a laptop to see what is really going on, all the back and forth wasn't helping at all. It was much brighter on 709/SDR but I thought it would be outputting BT2020 SDR.

One thing I noticed is when I set to EDID 18 (4k 4:2:2 BT2020 24p), and fire up the Philips, it states that the display doesn't support HDR. When I leave the default EDID on, that doesn't happen. So the custom EDID is being relayed to the input source. I thought this thing was going to be able to strip HDR on the output while still advertising full capability to the input device.

At any rate, it has a ton of settings. It isn't a plug and play device, it requires some guess and check. I don't feel comfortable rendering a verdict until I can run it directly from a laptop.
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...perhaps this softness/ cloudiness is what people refer to when they speak of graininess with ALR screens
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I'd say try a traditional white screen sample in your viewing environment, and see if that changes things.
I didn't see where Docj04 listed his working screen size, but I have a 5040 running a 181" + borderless image onto a Painted ALR Drywall surface. The surface has been smoothed to a exceptional level, and while the ALR Paint is a very dark Gray shade, because of it's components (Silver-Pearl-Polyurethane) and being sprayed via HVLP, it exhibits no "Graininess while having appreciable gain. But most telling is the surface's ability to render a extremely dynamic image with a almost 3D-like depth even at 181" diagonal. I estimate I'm getting 24 ft Lambert, which is blazingly bright in a dark environment.

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A shot in ambient light and under Flash...



Same shot w/no Flash in low ambient light - straight on...



This shot reveals the screen size in 16:9 mode...



and a few "In the Dark" examples....





Sorry...no Football, but I can state irrevocably that Satellite imagery is even more intensely bright.

The coating used can also be sprayed directly onto any smooth, conventional Screen material (Silver Ticket / Carl's Flexi-White) or any other smooth, white material, so Docj04, just shoot me a PM and I'll set you up with the method / materials required.

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Never heard of that mount, but the "Chief" brand of mounts are known to be high quality and their low profile versions
should put the top of your pj about 3" from the ceiling (give or take maybe a quarter inch depending on your adjustments).
I just measured mine and it's about 3 1/8" from the ceiling.
I have been an advocate of the Chief Mounts (RPA-Dedicated) for quite a while, and when using the Dedicated Stamped Plates, and a ultra-short Drop Tube (4" long PVC)through the ceiling I could get the distance down to 3.5". Smarty, to get 3 1/8" you must of screwed the main component directly to the Ceiling, but even with that, the current Universal Mounting arms are much less desirable and of a higher profile than the older "Channel" arms of the RPA-O.

Since Chief has not yet released a RPA-Dedicated "Stamped Plate" for the 5040, I decided to switch to the Peerless Universal (w/Channel arms & Cam Adjust.) and managed 3.5" again....



...but that was because I had access above to mount a Peerless ACC-570 Ceiling Plate.
And it was absolutely necessary because I had to mount the PJ directly over the entry Doors. I wound up with 1.5" to spare !



Smarty, can you shoot an image of the Mount / ceiling? That would help others see what was / how it was done.
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@k3nnis : Not so far, facing the same problem here. Just hoping on Microsoft to update the Xbox (join the petition, its on the microsoft board). As far as the Samsung player had the same issue in the beginning I'm optimistic, that it will get fixed soon.
Do you have a link? I looked around and didn't see anything.
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I knew I shouldn't of looked in this thread! I have an Epson 5030ub currently for going on 2 years now. I just replaced the bulb. is this projector that much better? Not that I'm able to do an upgrade now anyway but just curious if one would be worth it. I still love and use my 5030 all the time!


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Enjoying all the Fury and linker posts!
I'm gonna pull the trigger. Is there any increased input lag or processing time with the wireless unit?
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Anyone try the Google Chromecast Ultra with the Epson? Any quirks/compatibility issues?
Trying to decide amongst the various streamer solutions for 4k. Thanks
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I knew I shouldn't of looked in this thread! I have an Epson 5030ub currently for going on 2 years now. I just replaced the bulb. is this projector that much better? Not that I'm able to do an upgrade now anyway but just curious if one would be worth it. I still love and use my 5030 all the time!


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I owned both, and as much as I think the 5040 is fantastic, I'd wholeheartedly say no. The picture is better, but its also MUCH bigger, MUCH heavier, and louder. And expensive. You're paying $3k to add faux-K and lens memory, broadly speaking. That's a lot of coin for a feature you clearly didn't need before and a feature that -- while beautiful -- is right at the cusp of being unnecessary at most viewing size/distances.

I replaced mine because the buyer of my old house wanted the 5030 with it, otherwise I would've been very happy keeping it. I just got lucky that it sold after the point the 5040 was available.
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Trying to decide amongst the various streamer solutions for 4k. Thanks
I replied about it a few pages back. It only outputs 4k 60fps, no matter what the input is, so 1080P is upscaled by the Chromecast, not the Epson (and looks worse as a result), and you get a lot of frame jitter on 24fps sources because it can't do a consistent conversion from 24 to 60fps.

Oh, and no HDR, because it can't run at lower framerates.

I get better quality for non-4K sources (which is most) by playing them back through my Xbox. The Chromecast is just a benefit for 4K non-HDR sources.
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I replied about it a few pages back. It only outputs 4k 60fps, no matter what the input is, so 1080P is upscaled by the Chromecast, not the Epson (and looks worse as a result), and you get a lot of frame jitter on 24fps sources because it can't do a consistent conversion from 24 to 60fps.

Oh, and no HDR, because it can't run at lower framerates.

I get better quality for non-4K sources (which is most) by playing them back through my Xbox. The Chromecast is just a benefit for 4K non-HDR sources.
Thanks dotorg. I guess I'll look at Roku or the Firestick instead.
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ROKU + HDR

Hi guys,

Need some help summarizing this HDR issue. (I've read all 2600 posts but that was before I got the projector and looking back several pages I haven't found the info again)

I have the 5040UB and ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT. However, I have not been successful getting HDR to work from Roku which is my primary source. I recently upgraded from the Roku 4 to the Roku 4 Ultra which does have HDR support, as well as running the latest firmware on both. I tried connecting directly with a Redmere cable and also an Amazon cable (no receiver in the pathway), both rated for 18G. Still no HDR on either YouTube or Vudu. The 4K signals look incredible but I would love to figure out HDR too. Do I need to get a UHD Player? HD Fury?

Links to previously posted solutions are welcomed!
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Sorry for the delay. Preliminary results were pretty positive. My signal chain was PS4 Pro -> Denon x4200w -> 5040UB

Earlier in the thread a couple of people wanted confirmation that the 5040UB could display 1080P HDR out of the box and the first attachment is proof of that. No work had to be done to achieve it. I just started up uncharted 4 and it asked me if I wanted HDR. I said yes and it did the rest.

The second picture was a bit harder. Now the signal chain was PS4 Pro -> HD Fury Linker -> Denon x4200w -> 5040UB. In the linker I set the profile to scale down from a 4K/60/4:2:0/10b signal to a matching one but at 8bits. And since the linker was advertising to the ps4 that it could handle more, the PS4 allowed me to toggle HDR on at 4K. This was also achieved earlier in the thread by someone with a lumagen pro as well. The second attachment is proof of that.

The only issue occurred when switching modes, such as toggling HDR in game or quitting back to the menu which forced HDR off. What occurred resembled HDMI handshaking issues where the signal would take about 10 seconds to lock, but in some cases it gave up before it finished. In those instances I hit a reset button on the Linker which forced another handshake and things settled out. I'm going to use it a bit more tonight before bed and see how it goes.

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Thanks for this post! Glad to hear that works! I had some HDR issues and happened to order the Denon 4200W yesterday so that gives me hope that changing my AV receiver will get me 1080p HDR
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ROKU + HDR

Hi guys,

Need some help summarizing this HDR issue. (I've read all 2600 posts but that was before I got the projector and looking back several pages I haven't found the info again)

I have the 5040UB and ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT. However, I have not been successful getting HDR to work from Roku which is my primary source. I recently upgraded from the Roku 4 to the Roku 4 Ultra which does have HDR support, as well as running the latest firmware on both. I tried connecting directly with a Redmere cable and also an Amazon cable (no receiver in the pathway), both rated for 18G. Still no HDR on either YouTube or Vudu. The 4K signals look incredible but I would love to figure out HDR too. Do I need to get a UHD Player? HD Fury?

Links to previously posted solutions are welcomed!
Unfortunately 5040 can only handle HDR using 24p HDR-10 signal in 4:2:2, but not in 4:4:4 or 4:2:0. See if there is a way to force Roku to use HDR format that is compatible with Epson.
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I cant get a HDR signal at all.

Does the projector need an update? Has anyone updated their projectors firmware and what was the process?

Im rolling with the Xbox One S to watch movies with at the moment, I've gone direct into the projector with the HDMI and tried both HDMI ports with no luck.

Im really not sure what I'm doing wrong or missing. Cheers lads.



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I have a feeling xbox one S needs an update for it to work in HDR on the epson. If your epson is the wireless one I think it may work...

Is 1080P Blu Ray playback on the Xbox one S as good as a standalone BD player?
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I just got my Linker today as well. I did some fiddling trying to get 4K 4:2:2 BT2020 SDR at 24Hz (I used EDID 18) from a Philips UHD player. Unfortunately, I don't have a laptop at home today so I was running back and forth to my desktop to change settings on the Linker. I was not able to get BT2020 SDR. I was getting 4K 4:2:2 BT709 SDR. Can you see if you have the same experience? I confess its getting late and I may not be understanding what the output should be. I thought you could retain the WCG (BT2020) while stripping HDR.

In the Linker's settings, it defaults to HDCP 1.4. If I set it manually to 2.2, I have handshake issues every few seconds.
I thought you could too. I'll try and test that out tonight. Also, thanks for mentioning that bit about HDCP. I believe I set mine to 2.2 and the handshake is having a tough time. Maybe that will fix it!

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How was the quality with the 8 bit hdr? Was it a noticeable upgrade from non hdr? I'm trying to decide if I should get an HD fury linker or just go with 1080p upscale /hdr...
I really can't say yet. Nothing is calibrated and even then I have no idea what I'm doing with HDR. I'm going to dive into all of that this weekend. For what it's worth, my initial impressions were very positive and HDR was enabled.

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Enjoying all the Fury and linker posts!
I'm gonna pull the trigger. Is there any increased input lag or processing time with the wireless unit?
I don't have a scientific way to measure it but I'll be checking into it this weekend. I'll report back. I use the resources here: http://tft.vanity.dk

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Thanks for this post! Glad to hear that works! I had some HDR issues and happened to order the Denon 4200W yesterday so that gives me hope that changing my AV receiver will get me 1080p HDR
Yep! I can't speak for the rest of your equipment, but the 4200w played perfectly with HDR at 1080P (and at 4k with the linker). It seems like a crazy good deal right now.
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