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For those you prefer the 45, don't forget that we could add a darbee darblett to improve the picture, I set mine to 50% for the first day and i am really happy.

Please explain, I don't know what exactly what the darbee does?
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It is a video processor to improve picture. It can be installed in series with any TV or projector 1080 HD. It works very well for panorama scenes, mountains, etc,,


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I hope Sony releases a laser version of this projector soon.
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I hope Sony releases a laser version of this projector soon.
Laser engines being common is going to take a number of years. At least for ones that deliver enough lumens for HDR.

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I hope Sony releases a laser version of this projector soon.
Laser engines being common is going to take a number of years. At least for ones that deliver enough lumens for HDR.
Sony just released a laser 5000 lumen WUXGA projector for $3k. Not seeing why they can't do that with their home theater projectors.

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I wish the PHZ10 had better lens shift. I honestly don't care about HDR and 4k.

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That's what I am waiting for true 4k, laser light projector. My 45es will hold me over until then...
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I've been going back and forth between the epson 5040 and the 45ES. I just bought an open box 45ES from Best Buy and I purchased the 5040 from Amazon last night. I'm tempted to send the 5040 back and keep the 1K difference but I am also tempted to see how well 5040 does 4K. Any opinions? Are the black levels better on the 5040?
I will be interested to see which you keep as well
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I hope Sony releases a laser version of this projector soon.
Not going to happen.
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Not going to happen.
Why not?
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Why not?
That would be awesome. For some reason it's "too good to be true", and it seems manufacturers have had the opportunity to make the 'ultimate' affordable, extremely good performing projector (not the 'perfect' projector, but a really good one). Pair the HW45 with lasers...of course!!!! But why isn't Sony doing this? Or Epson putting lasers or LED light modules in a projector like the 5040? I'm sure there's more to it in general, but could it have something to do with lamp sales?

This has been happening (or a lack there of) for years it seems.
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Why not?
Selling over priced bulb replacements is a very profitable business.
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I've been going back and forth between the epson 5040 and the 45ES. I just bought an open box 45ES from Best Buy and I purchased the 5040 from Amazon last night. I'm tempted to send the 5040 back and keep the 1K difference but I am also tempted to see how well 5040 does 4K. Any opinions? Are the black levels better on the 5040?
I will be interested to see which you keep as well
I am in a similar boat, but I have the epson 4000 in comparison, there is no comparison in black levels - sony is much better with the blacks. I don't think HDR is ready for projectors yet, may WCG only. 4k improvement is noticeable once you get an eye for it.

Looking forward to your thoughts, anyways I am too tired of this comparison.. lot of features of epson has got me hooked to it like the motorized lens, hdmi link etc..

Don't take too long I am just one week away to return my Sony

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Looking forward to hearing about your decision - especially if you get a chance to do a side by side comparison. I am trying to make the decision myself and am currently leaning towards the Sony.

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I am in a similar boat, but I have the epson 4000 in comparison, there is no comparison in black levels - sony is much better with the blacks. I don't think HDR is ready for projectors yet, may WCG only. 4k improvement is noticeable once you get an eye for it.

Looking forward to your thoughts, anyways I am too tired of this comparison.. lot of features of epson has got me hooked to it like the motorized lens, hdmi link etc..

Don't take too long I am just one week away to return my Sony

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I will keep you posted. I almost feel i should keep the 45ES and use the 1k to get a real nice screen and get some audio equipment....
I am still waiting to hear what you are keeping
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I'm dealing with same issue. Can't wait to hear how you will
Compare those 2. I have 45es now at home ( my 2 PJ ever)and I will get 5040UB soon to see how good it is. From what I'm reading 5040ub will win PQ race and have some nice features ever 45es but it is worth $1k extra? I don't know I want to find out but I guess for some yes for another no.
So far I really like 45ES .
I am waiting to hear you as well like what you are keeping, I am just days away from my return window
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Looking forward to hearing about your decision - especially if you get a chance to do a side by side comparison. I am trying to make the decision myself and am currently leaning towards the Sony.

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LOL, there you go too - please let me know what you are keeping?
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I am waiting to hear you as well like what you are keeping, I am just days away from my return window
Oh sorry I wish I can help I just sended Sony back so as screen. Now I know more what screen I want and go from there. But I will probably get sony again. It is great Pj and well priced so I can be set up with big screen until 4k become more affordable.

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For you Sony 45ES owners out there, are you experiencing a slower lamp dimming rate (a good thing of course) than the average projector? I seem to remember reading that somewhere about the 30ES and/or 40ES, so I was just curious.

I realize it's a different lamp than the older iterations, so that's another element thrown in...
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I've been going back and forth between the epson 5040 and the 45ES. I just bought an open box 45ES from Best Buy and I purchased the 5040 from Amazon last night. I'm tempted to send the 5040 back and keep the 1K difference but I am also tempted to see how well 5040 does 4K. Any opinions? Are the black levels better on the 5040?
When I was purchasing a projector last year the 5040 hadn't been released in New Zealand yet, so my head-to-head comparison was between the Epson 5030UB and the Sony 45ES. I found the black levels to be better (to my eyes) with the 5030 so that was my choice, even though the 45ES was the newer projector at the time and was receiving plenty of great reviews.

Both projectors were tested in a completely dark demonstration room using an Oppo BDP-103. I have no doubt that the 45ES is a great all-round projector and I'd be happy if I had chosen it but I simply preferred the 5030 picture. For anyone buying a projector I think it's crucial to do a side-by-side comparison if possible and make up your mind based on the picture you like best. Interestingly I had no idea which projector was which, my demonstrator just showed me images from "Projector A" and "Projector B" and asked me which I preferred. I must admit I went into the demonstration leaning strongly towards the Sony (based on reviews alone), but it was the Epson 5030 that impressed me the most. Each to their own I guess!
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looking to buy this projector just have a couple questions for everyone. the screen i have is 135 inch and is almost flush to the ceiling, how far do i need to have the projector mounted from the ceiling to be able to achieve this?

also can anyone recommend a good ceiling mount for this projector?(looking at the peerless prg-unv)



right now i have a ViewSonic PJD7820HD and it has been awesome over the last 2 and a half years (unfortunately i have been using keystone) it now has about 3k hours on it and still going strong. the sony would be a great step up im assuming?
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@boomshine , the HW45ES has extensive vertical lens shift. If your screen is almost flush with the ceiling you should be able to hang the HW45ES from the ceiling as high or as low as you want. It's a higher-end projector than your PJD7820HD with superior overall performance. I can't help you on the mount because mine is table mounted, but I'm sure others will have suggestions for you.
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looking to buy this projector just have a couple questions for everyone. the screen i have is 135 inch and is almost flush to the ceiling, how far do i need to have the projector mounted from the ceiling to be able to achieve this?

also can anyone recommend a good ceiling mount for this projector?(looking at the peerless prg-unv)



right now i have a ViewSonic PJD7820HD and it has been awesome over the last 2 and a half years (unfortunately i have been using keystone) it now has about 3k hours on it and still going strong. the sony would be a great step up im assuming?
I have the peerless mount. It does its job.
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I'm about to order one of these HW45ES projectors.

Long story short, I had an HW40es PJ for 3 years, loved it! Put over 3k hours on the lamp. Then got the 4K itch to upgrade so I bought a VW365es on a good deal and thought I'd be set for the next few years. Unfortunately, I'm not too pleased with the 365. The features and caveats are unacceptable, esp with the high price point. No HDR during 4k (only 1080) and the motion enhancements in 4K are very limited and I see plenty of blurring/ghosting on fast motion, esp videogames.

So, I'll happily sell it and go back to the HW45 series and wait until Sony can make a better 4k projector with faster processor and HDR and sub $5k.

I notice above the talk of the Epson 5040's. I tried one of those and the faux K did not impress me. Sure it's a little crisper than regular 1080, but it's no where near 4K. My PS4 Pro settings were showing it only displaying in 2k, and the black levels are better on these Sony's. Plus, the Epsons, you see pixels and the motion enhancements are not as smooth as the Sony's. All my opinion of course, YMMV.

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I'm about to order one of these HW45ES projectors.

Long story short, I had an HW40es PJ for 3 years, loved it! Put over 3k hours on the lamp. Then got the 4K itch to upgrade so I bought a VW365es on a good deal and thought I'd be set for the next few years. Unfortunately, I'm not too pleased with the 365. The features and caveats are unacceptable, esp with the high price point. No HDR during 4k (only 1080) and the motion enhancements in 4K are very limited and I see plenty of blurring/ghosting on fast motion, esp videogames.

So, I'll happily sell it and go back to the HW45 series and wait until Sony can make a better 4k projector with faster processor and HDR and sub $5k.

I notice above the talk of the Epson 5040's. I tried one of those and the faux K did not impress me. Sure it's a little crisper than regular 1080, but it's no where near 4K. MT PS4 Pro settings were showing it only displaying in 2k, and the black levels are better on these Sony's. All my opinion, of course. Plus, the Epsons, you see pixels and the motion enhancements are not as smooth as the Sony's.
How much of a noticeable difference is there between the HW40es and HW45? I have the 40 now and have can get a really good deal on a 45 but I don't want to spend the money if its a slight difference. Also, I have a dedicated theater with a 135" silver ticket screen.
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I'm about to order one of these HW45ES projectors.

Long story short, I had an HW40es PJ for 3 years, loved it! Put over 3k hours on the lamp. Then got the 4K itch to upgrade so I bought a VW365es on a good deal and thought I'd be set for the next few years. Unfortunately, I'm not too pleased with the 365. The features and caveats are unacceptable, esp with the high price point. No HDR during 4k (only 1080) and the motion enhancements in 4K are very limited and I see plenty of blurring/ghosting on fast motion, esp videogames.

So, I'll happily sell it and go back to the HW45 series and wait until Sony can make a better 4k projector with faster processor and HDR and sub $5k.

I notice above the talk of the Epson 5040's. I tried one of those and the faux K did not impress me. Sure it's a little crisper than regular 1080, but it's no where near 4K. MT PS4 Pro settings were showing it only displaying in 2k, and the black levels are better on these Sony's. All my opinion, of course. Plus, the Epsons, you see pixels and the motion enhancements are not as smooth as the Sony's.
I have the 40ES and happy with it. From what I've read, not big difference from the 40ES and 45ES.
If you want to upgrade, have you consider the Optoma UHD newer 4k? I am thinking of doing the move next year.

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I have the 40ES and happy with it. From what I've read, not big difference from the 40ES and 45ES.
If you want to upgrade, have you consider the Optoma UHD newer 4k? I am thinking of doing the move next year.
Thanks, but I'm sensitive to RBE on the DLP projectors. Bummer too because the Optoma looks like a really nice PJ for the low price.

I'll have to wait for Sony and the other big boys to release their sub-$3k native 4K projectors also.

In the meantime, I've decided to wait, and got a Sony 75" X900e to hold me over

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Thanks, but I'm sensitive to RBE on the DLP projectors. Bummer too because the Optoma looks like a really nice PJ for the low price.

I'll have to wait for Sony and the other big boys to release their sub-$3k 4K projectors also.

In the meantime, I've decided to wait, and got a Sony 75" X900e to hold me over
So sad for you, you have to use the Sony 75" X900e life is hard

I am with you, hopefully by the end of the year, we will have some nice sub 3k 4k !
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hey guys, i'm hoping to get a sony hw45es in the near future, and i'm deciding on a screen for it, it is going to be used in a non-dedicated theater room since i don't have that luxury yet, but i'll use it in a room where i can cover the windows with very thick curtains so as to prevent any light whatsoever coming into the room in the daytime, and at night i will shut off all the lights to make sure there is practically no ambient light whatsoever, but the thing is that even with removing any ambient light. the walls and ceiling aren't painted black, they are light colored walls, so in such a room, which is the best screen for the sony hw45es? Will the light colored walls make a white screen a worse choice? And if so then is a gray screen a better choice? And what gain should the gray screen be?
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@sahil0909 , I'm currently using an HW45ES with a 1.0 gain matte white 100" screen in a mixed use room similar to yours -- total light control but white ceiling and medium colored walls and carpet. I had previous experience using a 0.8 gain matte grey screen and wasn't that impressed. It darkened everything -- whites as well as blacks -- so it was like running the projector lamp at 80% power. While you theoretically get a small improvement from less re-reflected room light with a matte grey screen it wasn't enough to compensate for the overall darker image. I'm pretty much sold on 1.0 gain matte white screens unless there is an unusually challenging environment, and yours doesn't sound all that bad. If possible you may want to try getting the projector first and experimenting on a painted wall before buying the screen. Seeing how the image lights up the room may help you decide on what type of screen to buy. Whatever screen you get I'm sure you will be impressed with the HW45ES.
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@sahil0909 , I'm currently using an HW45ES with a 1.0 gain matte white 100" screen in a mixed use room similar to yours -- total light control but white ceiling and medium colored walls and carpet. I had previous experience using a 0.8 gain matte grey screen and wasn't that impressed. It darkened everything -- whites as well as blacks -- so it was like running the projector lamp at 80% power. While you theoretically get a small improvement from less re-reflected room light with a matte grey screen it wasn't enough to compensate for the overall darker image. I'm pretty much sold on 1.0 gain matte white screens unless there is an unusually challenging environment, and yours doesn't sound all that bad. If possible you may want to try getting the projector first and experimenting on a painted wall before buying the screen. Seeing how the image lights up the room may help you decide on what type of screen to buy. Whatever screen you get I'm sure you will be impressed with the HW45ES.
Thanks alot for that very much needed response dave. Yes i'm really hoping to be blown away by this projector, after all my research i think it seems like the best projector by a mile for under 2 grand. I think i'll do as you suggested and try it out on a wall first, and if it doesn't light up the room too much, then i'll go with the white screen as you mentioned. But my main objective is to get the darkest blacks possible out of the projector, spoiled by OLED you see! What screen are you using though?
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