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5040/6040 Memory Profiles

Memory Profiles

I got my 6040UB installed about a month ago. While the PQ OOB is exceptional, I found that the settings were not the optimum for a given media source. It reminds me of a friend's comment about "all purpose skis"…they are to all things equally poorly. No, I am not knocking the PQ of this projector in any sense. As good as it is OOB, with a little effort you can do even better. So, I have developed what I will call Memory Profiles for each of my media sources. I will give the settings that I have used and the resultant screen shots. I am sure that there will be some who will say that I am using settings that should not be used because they are: Technically incorrect; you should not be able to do that...; the equipment is doing something other than what you think it is, etc. I will also give settings for other equipment that I have in my signal processing stream. What you do to that signal between the source and the projector can determine what you may be able to do at the projector end. If I think it is relevant, I will give it. Don't care...what I can tell you for sure is that these are my equipment settings in my home theater and, to my eye, the most pleasing. These settings can give you at least a starting place to see what you may be able to achieve on your projector in your home theater. Don't like them? Change them. You are the only one that you have to make happy! Well...almost...WAF, etc. So, I will start with a Memory Profile that I use for program material from my TiVo Mini. It is linked via Ethernet to a TiVo Roamio that is in the family room upstairs. The Roamio can output a maximum of 1080p. That signal is fed to my HDMI switching source, a Denon X6200. I have the Denon set up to upscale the TiVo signal to 4K so that the Epson sees an incoming 4K signal. I know that the signal is not true 4K, but as long the Epson thinks that it is, it will permit me to make additional changes to the settings. Is it technically correct? Who cares? Try the settings and see what the picture looks like on your screen. Don't like the results? Don't save them to memory. Like the results? Save them to one of the memory slots and rename it to something that means something to you...such as, TiVo. So a PDF of my Memory Profile of that name is attached. And, screen shots of Westworld, Episode xx are attached. The best critique of these images came someone who could care less about the technology involved. While watching this episode, she said, "Is this 3D?" She knew that the projector could do 3D. I told her, "No, but is an upscaled picture." Her reply, "Well, it looks 3D". For TiVo settings, mission accomplished! You should be able to achieve something very similar.

My next post will be screen shots from Westworld on HBO. This will give you an idea of what these sets of settings is capable of yielding. However, the images on the screen are better than the screen shots show.
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These are screen shots from Westworld on HBO, Episode 6.

I have several so I may have do 2 posts...
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Second set of screen shots from Westworld...

I will post more memory profiles for what I am using in the next few days.
These will include settings for UHD and bluray.
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I guess that the actual Epson settings might help...
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Okay, next set...

UHD Settings

The equipment stream here is Panasonic UB900, Denon X6200, and Epson 6040UB.

My UHD stream is pretty straight-forward. The Panasonic is set on Automatic. Notably, when on the Panasonic Home page, it is sending a 4K signal at 60 Hz with 8 bit color, 4:2:0; and BT 709. However, once you switch to the movie menu, it sends 4K at 24 Hz with 12 bit color, 4:2:2; and BT 2020. The HDR2 is the default Epson HDR setting, HRD2.

So, the UB900 sends full-strength UHD signal to the Denon which recognizes the 4K signal and maintains a hands-off attitude and simply passes the signal on to the Epson.

As before, here are screen shots showing UB900 settings and Epson settings. Why no Denon settings? Because they are the same as the TiVo settings. The signal is 4K, so the Epson simply passes it on.

Here, you can tweak away on the Epson until you get the picture that you want. My demo pix for these settings come from the UHD of Star Trek Into Darkness. One series spans includes 6' 13" and 8' 06". It shows the aliens that are pursuing Kirk and Dr. McCoy thru the forest. The pictures show a dramatic range of contrasts as well as color. The makeup/mud worn by the natives is a fairly stark white skewing toward the warm side with black strips of makeup that are very black. The texture and the color variations in the yellow-gold robes that they were are quite clear.

For the other end of the spectrum there are scenes showcasing the projector's ability to deal with blacks. Spock is in a volcano emplacing the something-or-other disruptor that will stop said volcano from erupting. There is a considerable range of dark colors, as well as inky blacks. Details are well-defined.

This movie provides a demo for the range of colors and contrasts that the Epson is capable of.

And, as before tweak these settings until you see what you like.

A suggestion—start with these settings and save them into a memory slot. Then, keep tweaking. If you get to a image that you like better, Save Memory and overwrite the settings that I provided here.

Don’t like it? Change it! Keep going until you get what you like, not what I like.


Next up...UHD screen shots...
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The screen shots for UHD come solely from the UHD of Star Trek Into Darkness...

The first shot is at 6 minutes 13 seconds. Be aware that if you pause the bluray player at a particular time code, that there are several frames within that time code. So, if you pause yours and it does not look this sharp, while it is still on pause, hit the fast forward button. If you player works like the UB900, it will advance one frame at a time.

The 2nd shot is of the same scene shot standing about 3' from the screen.

The 3rd shot is Spock inside of the volcano.

The 4th shot is Bones in the foreground with Kirk in the background. Kirk is supposed to be blurry.

The 5th shot is in the bar just before it pans out to reveal Kirk. I like this one, in particular. Want inky blacks, you got 'em! Notice the black bars at the top and bottom of the picture? No, me either...

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Thanks DVDWilly3, this will be a very helpful thread. Good job!
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Bluray profile...

The signal chain here is the same as for UHD...Panasonic UB900 to Denon to Epson...the UB900 is set to upscale to 4K and pass it to the Denon which it passes thru to the Epson which simply accepts it as a 4K signal (resolution) albeit with SDR and BT709. I will go back and see if I can change the dynamic range to HDR. My recollection is that I did somewhere along the line, but I did not like the results.

Once again, the Panasonic settings (which are not any different from the UHD settings) and the Epson settings.

The upscaled Faux-K is not quite as sharp as true 4K, but it is the next best thing.

The screen shots are from various places in one of my favs...Prometheus, in 1080p upscaled.
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Bluray profile screen shots...these are what I have, but I will probably tweak a bit more...they are very, very good, but I am not certain that I have wrung the very best out of it...

Note black levels in the cave shot and the opening shot showing the silhouette of the Prometheus. Exceptional black levels. If you can do better, go for it.
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A few more shots from Prometheus showing some lighter scenes...

I do not recall the last shot of the collision being as blue as that appears...I think that it is the camera...
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Okay, this one is going to be boring...

Sports Memory Profile...

I loaded the TiVo settings and tuned in one of the college football games.
I did not spend a lot of time watching, but while I did I never noticed any streaming or whatever you call it.

Everything was crystal clear.

So, for now, Sports, just use TiVo settings...all of them.

I did not freeze the picture and just took shots as everything was rolling.

Well, for whatever reason, the forum is not letting me upload pics instead telling me that they are too big.
The sets of pictures that I previously uploaded were also big, but the forum software (or something) downscaled them. Not quite sure what to do...will try again tomorrow.

I thought that all of the pictures were very, very good.

Tomorrow (Sunday), I will do a profile for 3D movies and test a couple of different 3D glasses and report on those as well.
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Okay, this one is going to be boring...

Sports Memory Profile...

I loaded the TiVo settings and tuned in one of the college football games.
I did not spend a lot of time watching, but while I did I never noticed any streaming or whatever you call it.

Everything was crystal clear.

So, for now, Sports, just use TiVo settings...all of them.

I did not freeze the picture and just took shots as everything was rolling.

Well, for whatever reason, the forum is not letting me upload pics instead telling me that they are too big.
The sets of pictures that I previously uploaded were also big, but the forum software (or something) downscaled them. Not quite sure what to do...will try again tomorrow.

I thought that all of the pictures were very, very good.

Tomorrow (Sunday), I will do a profile for 3D movies and test a couple of different 3D glasses and report on those as well.
I resized the images so that I could then upload.

These are screen grabs without freezing the frame so people are in motion to one degree or another.

In the second shot, you will see player no. 33 above is slightly blurred.

This was with a minimum of fooling with settings, so while I think that they are quite good with the standard TiVo settings, it might benefit from some additional tweaking.

YMMV...
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Appreciate your work on this thread.

I am using a Himedia Q5 Pro media player to playback the 4K files that I download. From the media player display, it confirms I am playing back 4K files ,like 3840 x 2160. But on the Projector info( Epson 5040), it kept showing 60Hz 8bit 4:2:0 BT709 SDR, no matter how I switch all the buttons.

Do you think it is correct or something wrong with my setting on player or projector, or even the HDMI cable(which is Fiber optic guarantee up to 10.2 Gbp) ??? Thanks for your input in advance.

P.S. I am still holding out for the Oppo 203 n that Himedia was just to ease the itch. Also, for unknown reason, I cannot open your UHD settings. Do you mind to send it directly to me ? Thanks in advance.
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Appreciate your work on this thread.

I am using a Himedia Q5 Pro media player to playback the 4K files that I download. From the media player display, it confirms I am playing back 4K files ,like 3840 x 2160. But on the Projector info( Epson 5040), it kept showing 60Hz 8bit 4:2:0 BT709 SDR, no matter how I switch all the buttons.

Do you think it is correct or something wrong with my setting on player or projector, or even the HDMI cable(which is Fiber optic guarantee up to 10.2 Gbp) ??? Thanks for your input in advance.

P.S. I am still holding out for the Oppo 203 n that Himedia was just to ease the itch. Also, for unknown reason, I cannot open your UHD settings. Do you mind to send it directly to me ? Thanks in advance.
Make sure that you are plugged into HDMI port 1, and not HDMI port 2.

Port 2 is only HDMI 1.4, and will not accept 4K, or HDR, or BT 2020, no matter what you do.
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Make sure that you are plugged into HDMI port 1, and not HDMI port 2.

Port 2 is only HDMI 1.4, and will not accept 4K, or HDR, or BT 2020, no matter what you do.
Yes, I do plug in HDMI 1 n thats why I hope to find out the correct settings.

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Yes, I do plug in HDMI 1 n thats why I hope to find out the correct settings.
My setting is Natural for UHD.

When I get to my office, I will see if I can copy and paste the settings into this forum email.

I cannot do it from my iPad.
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My setting is Natural for UHD.

When I get to my office, I will see if I can copy and paste the settings into this forum email.

I cannot do it from my iPad.
Noted with thanks. However, several person in the 5040 thread said, with the 'Natural' mode, it does not have enough brightness for HDR(even on HDR 1). Also, what material do you use to calibrate UHD Bluray player , since I only had regular Bluray calibration disc.

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Noted with thanks. However, several person in the 5040 thread said, with the 'Natural' mode, it does not have enough brightness for HDR(even on HDR 1). Also, what material do you use to calibrate UHD Bluray player , since I only had regular Bluray calibration disc.

Bright Cinema works well.

Some test material you can use would be R. Masciola's test pattern suite found on AVS with a search. Or for some simple patterns, all Sony/Columbia Pictures Bluray and UHD Blu-ray Discs have hidden test patterns in rec709, DCI, and rec2020 specs. At the main menu of the disc, just hit 7669 (Spells Sony on the number keypad) and enter and it will pop them up.
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The signal chain here is the same as for UHD...Panasonic UB900 to Denon to Epson...the UB900 is set to upscale to 4K and pass it to the Denon which it passes thru to the Epson which simply accepts it as a 4K signal (resolution) albeit with SDR and BT709. I will go back and see if I can change the dynamic range to HDR. My recollection is that I did somewhere along the line, but I did not like the results.

Once again, the Panasonic settings (which are not any different from the UHD settings) and the Epson settings.

The upscaled Faux-K is not quite as sharp as true 4K, but it is the next best thing.

The screen shots are from various places in one of my favs...Prometheus, in 1080p upscaled.


Have you kept the same settings on your blu ray equipment chain? Asking because blu ray is 12bit but by having your Denon upscale it seems to be changing to 8bit. Wouldn't you want to turn off scaling on your 6020? I have a 4200 and trying to figure out the best settings.


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Some test material you can use would be R. Masciola's test pattern suite found on AVS with a search. Or for some simple patterns, all Sony/Columbia Pictures Bluray and UHD Blu-ray Discs have hidden test patterns in rec709, DCI, and rec2020 specs. At the main menu of the disc, just hit 7669 (Spells Sony on the number keypad) and enter and it will pop them up.
Thanks Dave for the tips on those UHD discs. I also wonder if you know the Panasonic 900 can handle those 4K files thru its USB input properly, like the Oppo does on 2K files.
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Have you kept the same settings on your blu ray equipment chain? Asking because blu ray is 12bit but by having your Denon upscale it seems to be changing to 8bit. Wouldn't you want to turn off scaling on your 6020? I have a 4200 and trying to figure out the best settings.


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You know what? I will go back and look at that...

Thanks for the suggestion.

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Thanks Dave for the tips on those UHD discs. I also wonder if you know the Panasonic 900 can handle those 4K files thru its USB input properly, like the Oppo does on 2K files.

I won't have the Panny UB900 until tomorrow or Tuesday. I only have a Xbox One S and Philips here, neither of which were able to play the files on a USB stick.
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I won't have the Panny UB900 until tomorrow or Tuesday. I only have a Xbox One S and Philips here, neither of which were able to play the files on a USB stick.
Noted with thanks. Hope you can let me know after you get the unit.
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Noted with thanks. Hope you can let me know after you get the unit.

I would, but I just returned the 5040UBe to BB.
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I don't worry much between 5040 n UB900, since it was well posted that the maximum resolution this combo can do is 'YCbCr4:2:2/12 bit HDR'. I am more interested about the capability of the 900 with 4K files thru USB, since this is the next unit I will be getting. Thanks.

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May I ask why you returned it? Do you plan to replace it with something else? If so, what? Thank you
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May I ask why you returned it? Do you plan to replace it with something else? If so, what? Thank you


I was running into my return window at Best Buy and I had to send in my Sony VPL-VW350ES in for repair. They decided that the cost and delay in getting parts were too extreme for repair of the optical block (over $10K!), so they are replacing it with the newer updated VW365ES. I will either just keep this new unit, spend a little more to upgrade it to a 675ES, or sell it new in box and put the money towards another brand like the Epson or JVC.



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I was running into my return window at Best Buy and I had to send in my Sony VPL-VW350ES in for repair. They decided that the cost and delay in getting parts were too extreme for repair of the optical block (over $10K!), so they are replacing it with the newer updated VW365ES. I will either just keep this new unit, spend a little more to upgrade it to a 375ES, or sell it new in box and put the money towards another brand like the Epson or JVC.

Keep an eye on the Classifieds for this NIB unit for a GREAT price. I'll also include FREE ISF calibration and shipping anywhere in the USA.
Good to hear that Sony still treated you right -- although you had to have an issue in the first place.

RE: the HDR patterns, if you can get those files to play on the new player, would you mind posting an update here? I still haven't been able to play the patterns with HDR. The Philips won't play at all. I can get them to playback on both Mac and PC but neither will send the HDR flags. Information about HDR playback of video files on a Mac/PC is basically non-existent, so I'm unsure of how to make it work that way.
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Good to hear that Sony still treated you right -- although you had to have an issue in the first place.

RE: the HDR patterns, if you can get those files to play on the new player, would you mind posting an update here? I still haven't been able to play the patterns with HDR. The Philips won't play at all. I can get them to playback on both Mac and PC but neither will send the HDR flags. Information about HDR playback of video files on a Mac/PC is basically non-existent, so I'm unsure of how to make it work that way.

Sure no problem, but I'm pretty sure I read on the UB900 thread that it doesn't play the .ts files from USB.

Do you have an hdfury Integral or Linker? If so you can send your PC through that and have it add the metadata for HDR to signal your display device to kick in its HDR mode.

I've heard of Calibrators doing this when using their bt709 calibration discs like the Spears & Munsil disc to send HDR metadata to calibrate displays.
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I do have a Linker, I'll give that a shot.
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