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Hello

Although I never used these projectors, they are on my wish list, so I compiled this short comparison summary from reviews/searches:
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Epson HC5040UB:

Pros:

- less expensive Lamp Replacements than JVC DLA-RS420
- Wider Color Gamut (with DCI P3 Color filter)
- Motorized Lens Zoom/Focus/Shift + Lens Memory, but more placement flexibility with more Lens Shift range (vertical +/- 96.3% ; horizontal +/- 47.1 %) than the JVC DLA-RS420
- 3D with 120hz refresh rate (less flicker), no need for extra purchase of RF 3D emitter
- Good Blacks
- 2500 lumens
- HDR10
- low latency that reduces gaming/PC frame delays.
- motorized lens cover
- faster detection of HDMI sourcers, compared to JVC DLA-RS420

Cons:
- only 10Gbps HDMI ports (Does not Allows 4K 60fps 10Bit HDR) (Bylly Lynn's Long Halftime Walk UHD Blu-ray, HTPC/Gaming Console, Web Streaming , etc)
- e-Shift up-res from native 2M to pseudo 4M pixels (unlike Optoma UHD60 up-res from native 4M to pseudo 8M pixels)
- no motion interpolation with 4K mode
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JVC DLA-RS420 4K e-Shift:

Pros:

- 2x 18Gbps HDMI2.0b ports (Allows 4K 60fps 10Bit HDR) (Bylly Lynn's Long Halftime Walk UHD Blu-ray, HTPC/Gaming Console, Web Streaming , etc)
- Motorized Lens Zoom/Focus/Shift + Lens Memory, but less placement flexibility with less Lens Shift range (vertical +/- 80% ; horizontal +/- 34 %) than the Epson HC5040UB
- 3D, but only 96hz refresh rate, more flicker (unlike Epson 5040UB 120hz refresh rate), and also needs extra purchase of RF 3D emitter
- Good Blacks, with LCOS (reflective)
- 1800 lumens, but not as bright as Epson HC5040UB
- auto HDR (w/HDR10 signal) plus Hybrid Log Gamma
- new low latency mode that reduces gaming/PC frame delays.
- motion interpolation with 4K mode

Cons:
- no DCI P3 Color filter (unlike Epson 5040UB and JVC RS520)
- e-Shift up-res from native 2M to pseudo 4M pixels (unlike Optoma UHD60 up-res from native 4M to pseudo 8M pixels)
- more expensive Lamp Replacements than Epson HC5040UB
- Banding when activating CMD motion interpolation
- no motorized lens cover
- slower detection of HDMI sourcers, compared to Epson 5040UB
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Optoma UHD60:

Pros:

- 18Gbps HDMI ports (Allows 4K 60fps 10Bit HDR) (Bylly Lynn's Long Halftime Walk UHD Blu-ray, HTPC/Gaming Console, Web Streaming , etc)
- up-res from native 4M to pseudo 8M pixels
- 3000 lumens
- HDR10

Cons:
- No 3D
- Manual Lens Zoom/Focus/Shift, but low placement flexibility (limited vertical shift, and no horizontal shift) compared to Epson HC5040UB or JVC DLA-RS420
- worse blacks compared compared to Epson HC5040UB or JVC DLA-RS420
- some rainbow artifacts
- High latency, 83ms input lag
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Can the owners confirm these Pros/Cons ?

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Sorry but the Optoma doesnt deserve the "Good Blacks" if the Epson and even the JVC have that as a Pro-Argument as well..

The optoma is inferior, hell there are worlds between the black levels.
The Optoma will look broken in a direct comparison.

Otherwise it´s a nice writeup

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Hello

Although I never used these projectors, they are on my wish list, so I compiled this short comparison summary from reviews/searches:
___________________

Epson HC5040UB:

Pros:

- less expensive Lamp Replacements than JVC DLA-RS420
- Wider Color Gamut (with DCI P3 Color filter)
- Motorized Lens Zoom/Focus/Shift + Lens Memory, but more placement flexibility with more Lens Shift range (vertical +/- 96.3% ; horizontal +/- 47.1 %) than the JVC DLA-RS420
- 3D with 120hz refresh rate (120hz refresh rate = less flicker), no need for extra purchase of RF 3D emitter
- Good Blacks
- 2500 lumens
- HDR10
- low latency that reduces gaming/PC frame delays.
- motorized lens cover

Cons:
- only 10Gbps HDMI ports (Does not Allows 4K 60fps 10Bit HDR) (Bylly Lynn's Long Halftime Walk UHD Blu-ray, HTPC/Gaming Console, Web Streaming , etc)
- e-Shift up-res from native 2M to pseudo 4M pixels (unlike Optoma UHD60 up-res from native 4M to pseudo 8M pixels)
- no motion interpolation with 4K mode
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JVC DLA-RS420 4K e-Shift:

Pros:

- 2x 18Gbps HDMI2.0b ports (Allows 4K 60fps 10Bit HDR) (Bylly Lynn's Long Halftime Walk, PC Usage, Console Usage)
- Motorized Lens Zoom/Focus/Shift + Lens Memory, but less placement flexibility with Lens Shift range (vertical +/- 80% ; horizontal +/- 34 %) than the Epson HC5040UB
- 3D, but only 96hz refresh rate, more flicker (unlike Epson 5040UB 120hz refresh rate), and also needs extra purchase of RF 3D emitter
- Good Blacks, with LCOS (reflective)
- 1800 lumens, but not as bright as Epson HC5040UB
- auto HDR (w/HDR10 signal) plus Hybrid Log Gamma
- new low latency mode that reduces gaming/PC frame delays.
- motion interpolation with 4K mode

Cons:
- no DCI P3 Color filter (unlike Epson 5040UB and JVC RS520)
- e-Shift up-res from native 2M to pseudo 4M pixels (unlike Optoma UHD60 up-res from native 4M to pseudo 8M pixels)
- more expensive Lamp Replacements than Epson HC5040UB
- Banding when activating CMD motion interpolation
- no motorized lens cover
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Optoma UHD60:

Pros:

- 18Gbps HDMI ports (Allows 4K 60fps 10Bit HDR) (Bylly Lynn's Long Halftime Walk, PC Usage, Console Usage)
- up-res from native 4M to pseudo 8M pixels
- 3000 lumens
- HDR10
- Good Blacks

Cons:
- No 3D
- Manual Lens Zoom/Focus/Shift, but low placement flexibility (limited vertical shift, and no horizontal shift) compared to Epson HC5040UB or JVC DLA-RS420
- some rainbow artifacts
- High latency, 83ms input lag
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Can the owners confirm these Pros/Cons ?
Optoma has terrible blacks. Epson has bright, sharp picture but color accuracy suffers in bright picture modes and lumens suffer in color accurate cinema modes.

JVC has best native contrast and fairly accurate colors in all modes. Not as bright as Epson and it is slow in detecting hdmi sources when changing channels.
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Sorry but the Optoma doesnt deserve the "Good Blacks" if the Epson and even the JVC have that as a Pro-Argument as well..

The optoma is inferior, hell there are worlds between the black levels.
The Optoma will look broken in a direct comparison.

Otherwise it´s a nice writeup

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Thanks. I have added this to my post.
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Optoma has terrible blacks. Epsonhas bright, sharp. Picture but color accuracy suffers in bright picture modes and lumens suffer in color accurate cinema modes.

JVC has best native contrast and fairly accurate colors in all modes. Not as bright as Epson and it is slow in detecting hdmi sources when changing channels.
Thanks. I have added this to my post.
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It's a very accurate comparison from the research I've done of these projectors.
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Ugh, if only Epson had 18 gb hdmi it would be the perfect projector at that price.
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Ugh, if only Epson had 18 gb hdmi it would be the perfect projector at that price.

Yep. Wonder how many sales they lost for what shouldn't have cost them much to include. Penny-wise pound-foolish.
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Hello

Although I never used these projectors, they are on my wish list, so I compiled this short comparison summary from reviews/searches:
___________________

Epson HC5040UB:

Pros:

- less expensive Lamp Replacements than JVC DLA-RS420
- Wider Color Gamut (with DCI P3 Color filter)
- Motorized Lens Zoom/Focus/Shift + Lens Memory, but more placement flexibility with more Lens Shift range (vertical +/- 96.3% ; horizontal +/- 47.1 %) than the JVC DLA-RS420
- 3D with 120hz refresh rate (less flicker), no need for extra purchase of RF 3D emitter
- Good Blacks
- 2500 lumens
- HDR10
- low latency that reduces gaming/PC frame delays.
- motorized lens cover
- faster detection of HDMI sourcers, compared to JVC DLA-RS420

Cons:
- only 10Gbps HDMI ports (Does not Allows 4K 60fps 10Bit HDR) (Bylly Lynn's Long Halftime Walk UHD Blu-ray, HTPC/Gaming Console, Web Streaming , etc)
- e-Shift up-res from native 2M to pseudo 4M pixels (unlike Optoma UHD60 up-res from native 4M to pseudo 8M pixels)
- no motion interpolation with 4K mode
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JVC DLA-RS420 4K e-Shift:

Pros:

- 2x 18Gbps HDMI2.0b ports (Allows 4K 60fps 10Bit HDR) (Bylly Lynn's Long Halftime Walk UHD Blu-ray, HTPC/Gaming Console, Web Streaming , etc)
- Motorized Lens Zoom/Focus/Shift + Lens Memory, but less placement flexibility with less Lens Shift range (vertical +/- 80% ; horizontal +/- 34 %) than the Epson HC5040UB
- 3D, but only 96hz refresh rate, more flicker (unlike Epson 5040UB 120hz refresh rate), and also needs extra purchase of RF 3D emitter
- Good Blacks, with LCOS (reflective)
- 1800 lumens, but not as bright as Epson HC5040UB
- auto HDR (w/HDR10 signal) plus Hybrid Log Gamma
- new low latency mode that reduces gaming/PC frame delays.
- motion interpolation with 4K mode

Cons:
- no DCI P3 Color filter (unlike Epson 5040UB and JVC RS520)
- e-Shift up-res from native 2M to pseudo 4M pixels (unlike Optoma UHD60 up-res from native 4M to pseudo 8M pixels)
- more expensive Lamp Replacements than Epson HC5040UB
- Banding when activating CMD motion interpolation
- no motorized lens cover
- slower detection of HDMI sourcers, compared to Epson 5040UB
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Optoma UHD60:

Pros:

- 18Gbps HDMI ports (Allows 4K 60fps 10Bit HDR) (Bylly Lynn's Long Halftime Walk UHD Blu-ray, HTPC/Gaming Console, Web Streaming , etc)
- up-res from native 4M to pseudo 8M pixels
- 3000 lumens
- HDR10

Cons:
- No 3D
- Manual Lens Zoom/Focus/Shift, but low placement flexibility (limited vertical shift, and no horizontal shift) compared to Epson HC5040UB or JVC DLA-RS420
- worse blacks compared compared to Epson HC5040UB or JVC DLA-RS420
- some rainbow artifacts
- High latency, 83ms input lag
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Good summary. I would add the following in support of the Epson 5040UB:

1) Projector brightness specifications are often exaggerated. Evan Powell at projectorcentral.com says that the official Epson 5040 brightness spec is substantially underestimated, at least when the expanded color filter (P3) is not used. Extra lumens really help if you are fond of 3D, HDR, unusually large screens, or just watching with some ambient light.

2) The Epson has a whole menu of different sharpness enhancing features to play with. Art Feierman (projectorreviews.com) says these enhancements can give the Epson a "perceived" sharper picture than the JVC. Not everyone likes the effects. Some will not boost contrast with a dynamic iris because they are bothered by "pumping". Some will not use frame interpolation because they are sensitive to halo artifacts. I am not a purist and enjoy keeping my options open. Sometimes I use the features, sometimes not. Season to taste.

3) Epson after-sales customer support is generally regarded as superior to the competition.

I looked carefully at both the JVC RS400 (on close-out) and the Epson 5040UB some months back. I needed to replace an old 720P Marantz DLP projector. Didn't consider the Optoma. I put very big hours on my projector and have an unusually large screen. Since I only watch blu ray movies and don't game or stream, the Epson chipset speed limitation didn't bother me. Epson replacement lamps cost $300 when I purchased my 5040UB. Epson just dropped the replacement lamp price down to $99. I do not regret getting the 5040UB, especially with news of the low-priced lamps.

If I was a deep-pockets guy I might have purchased a JVC RS400. It does have better contrast than the Epson, and it does not look like a white whale.

Different people, different viewing habits, different priorities.

Happy viewing,
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Right now it is a $650 CDN difference between the two projectors for me. Is it pretty much a no brainier that I should go with the x570r (420)?

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Go with the JVC. Much better blacks and better color accuracy.
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Go with the JVC. Much better blacks and better color accuracy.
and about $600 USD for bulbs?? whereas 5040 genuine mfr bulb at $91.99 USD on Amazon. No Dynamic Iris in 4K with RS420?
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and about $600 USD for bulbs?? whereas 5040 genuine mfr bulb at $91.99 USD on Amazon. No Dynamic Iris in 4K with RS420?
Dynamic iris is a band-aid for low native contrast on the Epson 5040UB.
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Dynamic iris is a band-aid for low native contrast on the Epson 5040UB.
Not so much, I follow JVC forums and they have been asking for D.I. to be enabled with 4K sources.
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Not so much, I follow JVC forums and they have been asking for D.I. to be enabled with 4K sources.
I've never heard of that issue. But I hate any iris so I could care less. If price is no issue, the JVC is clearly superior to the Epson 5040UB. And it should be for the price difference. This is very easy to understand.

If there are budget constraints then I understand someone looking towards the value of the Epson 5040. And it is definitely a good value. I will not deny that.

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I've never heard of that issue. But I hate any iris so I could care less. If price is no issue, the JVC is clearly superior to the Epson 5040UB. And it should be for the price difference. This is very easy to understand.

If there are budget constraints then I understand someone looking towards the value of the Epson 5040. And it is definitely a good value. I will not deny that.
The closeout price on the JVC RS420's is close to that of the Epson 5040UB now. Remaining RS400 b stock - cheaper than the 5040. Just FYI. Lots of choices these days in the $2200.00 - $ 2800.00 price range when it comes to projectors !

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So no updated Epson 5040 was announced at Cedia? Is the event over?
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No updated 5040. Cedia is over.
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From screenshots, while it does appear that the JVC's have better blacks, I feel like I see a lot of black crush in shadow details. True?
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From screenshots, while it does appear that the JVC's have better blacks, I feel like I see a lot of black crush in shadow details. True?
Unfortunately that is true.
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Unfortunately that is true.
So it has better blacks because is dimmer? Or are the whites as bright and detailed as on the epson? Shadow detail has always been the deal breaker for me.
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So it has better blacks because is dimmer? Or are the whites as bright and detailed as on the epson? Shadow detail has always been the deal breaker for me.
JVC projectors have better blacks because they have much higher native contrast than the Epson 5040UB.
Epson 5040UB's native contrast is lower than the Sony HW45ES. It's blacks are below average when the iris is not enabled. To my eyes,the JVC RS400's blacks without it's iris enabled look darker than the Epson 5040UB's blacks with it's iris on.

In most cases, darker blacks come at the expense of shadow detail. However you can adjust the gamma settings on the JVC to increase shadow detail.

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JVC projectors have better blacks because they have much higher native contrast than the Epson 5040UB.
Epson 5040UB's native contrast is lower than the Sony HW45ES. It's blacks are below average when the iris is not enabled. To my eyes,the JVC RS400's blacks without it's iris enabled look darker than the Epson 5040UB's blacks with it's iris on.

In most cases, darker blacks come at the expense of shadow detail. However you can adjust the gamma settings on the JVC to increase shadow detail.
Love to see screenshots of dark of the JVC with raised gamma levels vs epson and sony. Higher native contrast ratio doesn't mean much to me if you're exluding shades of grey in between black and white.
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The closeout price on the JVC RS420's is close to that of the Epson 5040UB now. Remaining RS400 b stock - cheaper than the 5040. Just FYI. Lots of choices these days in the $2200.00 - $ 2800.00 price range when it comes to projectors !
Hey Craig would b-stock prices on JVC RS420 be even cheaper?

Also who should i contact if i was looking to get a B-stock JVC?

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Hey Craig would b-stock prices on JVC RS420 be even cheaper?

Also who should i contact if i was looking to get a B-stock JVC?

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I sent you a PM.

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Just ordered the 5040ube for my new house. I've had JVC in my previous two theater rooms and was very happy with them. I chose the 5040 this time because of the few extra lumens (my new room has lots of windows and I host an annual Super Bowl party and I don't have time to run a cable, so wanted to try out the wireless feature. Plus, got a pretty good black Friday deal.

You can't go wrong with JVC. Will let you know how the Epson works as soon as I get it.

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Just ordered the 5040ube for my new house. I've had JVC in my previous two theater rooms and was very happy with them. I chose the 5040 this time because of the few extra lumens (my new room has lots of windows and I host an annual Super Bowl party and I don't have time to run a cable, so wanted to try out the wireless feature. Plus, got a pretty good black Friday deal.

You can't go wrong with JVC. Will let you know how the Epson works as soon as I get it.

Good luck with your decision
I think you made a good decision. After owning a late model JVC projector for almost a year I can say that for movies only they are great projector. They give strong black levels in completely dark room with dark walls. However with that being said my bulb began to noticeably dim after 500 hours. The prices on JVC replacement bulbs are a total rip-off since they cost over $500.

Once my bulb started to slightly age, the image became dim, dull, and just not my cup of tea. I also was not crazy about JVC's color accuracy out of the box. My JVC projector was the first projector I've had in years that I felt need to be calibrated. I never felt that way about any of my previous Sony projectors.

Also the Jvc's resale value ended up being very poor. I lost a tub of money when I sold my JVC projector and it sat for for 3 months before selling. You hear all the time people talking about the merits of JVC projectors but most people will not pull the trigger on buying one here.

They will just ask you questions about it and then go purchase a lower end or mid-range projector at the end of the day. Don't think I will be purchasing another JVC projector anytime soon.
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Hey Craig would b-stock prices on JVC RS420 be even cheaper?

Also who should i contact if i was looking to get a B-stock JVC?

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I recently seen both on a theater crawl here in KC last month also got to see a JVC 400, JVC 520, JVC 600, Sony 40S, Panasonic PT-AE8000U and a Epson 8350 set up in rear projection format.

Out of all all of them I would go with the JVC 600 first, Epson 5040, JVC 520, JVC 400, Sony 40ES, Epson 8350 and then Panasonic PT-AE900U. The 600 is way out of my range so I am taking it out. I like the 5040 over the 520 because it seemed brighter and had more color then the 520 I seen that was calibrated to proper specs. Not sure on the 5040. Now the Sony 40 ES was surprisingly impressive and has made me question whether it is worth it to go with a faux 4K right now. Heck I am even thinking of just upgrading from a Optoma HD65 to an Epson 2040 for the next few years.

Now the rear projection was cool in that you could be in the room with all the lights on and the picture didn't really suffer much for it. They were replaying the Super Bowl Game and it looked like a giant TV.

If I was to decide on a faux 4K it would be either the 5040 or the 6040 that also comes with an mount, extra lamp and an extra year of warranty to take it to 3 years. It also comes in black and I have seen it as low as $3399 right now.

I have read that both the Espson and JVC are doing better on lag time and should be fine for the PS4 or Xbox One S, but the Espon 2040 at $649 is starting to sound like a better option for me right now and leaves me money to up grade to Dolby Atmos.
problem with this comparson is two fold
They weren't all calibrated the same or even at all
They weren't all played in the same room with the same ambient light level.
Carp's Epson wasn't calibrated at all, but just setup to Sheldon's taste. (which is perfectly fine - but hard to compare) The JVC 520 (or was it 500 I don't recall) that was thrown to the rear of a screen with jdontee's rear projector system should be eliminated from your comparison because there are so many variables there.
AE8000U is significantly better than the 8350. I had both in the same room for a few weeks because the AE8000U was my upgrade from the 8350 -- and it was a significant upgrade in every way. (brightness, black levels, etc).

Unfortunately it's really hard to judge a projector from one room to another.

I just discovered this thread because I found the RS420 projector is on sale at bestbuy for $2000 on closeout and I'm trying to make some sense out of whether that will be a worthy upgrade from the AE8000U I have now.

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problem with this comparson is two fold
They weren't all calibrated the same or even at all
They weren't all played in the same room with the same ambient light level.
Carp's Epson wasn't calibrated at all, but just setup to Sheldon's taste. (which is perfectly fine - but hard to compare) The JVC 520 (or was it 500 I don't recall) that was thrown to the rear of a screen with jdontee's rear projector system should be eliminated from your comparison because there are so many variables there.
AE8000U is significantly better than the 8350. I had both in the same room for a few weeks because the AE8000U was my upgrade from the 8350 -- and it was a significant upgrade in every way. (brightness, black levels, etc).

Unfortunately it's really hard to judge a projector from one room to another.

I just discovered this thread because I found the RS420 projector is on sale at bestbuy for $2000 on closeout and I'm trying to make some sense out of whether that will be a worthy upgrade from the AE8000U I have now.
When I phoned this morning there were only two left in all of US Magnolia. I'd make your decision now, but they might already be gone.
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