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post #1 of 15 Old 05-14-2017, 04:55 AM - Thread Starter
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Projector and Screen Upgrade Thoughts

I currently have a generic manual pulldown screen, gain unknown that is about 10 years old. Cost was about $120. I am on my second projector, an Epson 8350 that is at least 5 years old. I am on my second bulb, the first lasted only 1300 hours and simply popped, the second is now at 2550 hours (purchased 9/14/14, oem bulb).

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Picture seems to be dim, and when I compare to my 75" dlp behind the screen the difference is shocking.

My options are:

1. Replace existing bulb now
2. Replace bulb and install a new screen (simple 120" pulldown is fine. Do I get an ambient light reduction screen?)
3. Purchase Epson 1450
4. Purchase Epson 1450 and new screen
5. Other

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I think I would go with the Epson 3100 for both a bright image and better contrast (closer to what you enjoy with the 8350). The 1450 might be a little too bright for your room. Also, you should be pleasantly surprised with the greatly increased lamp life with the either the 1450 or 3100 compared to the 8350 lamps.

On the screen, you can always upgrade it if the image doesn't pop with the new projector.

I took the thumbs below several years ago before I did anything to to the room using a 2000 series Epson on eco with all the lights on (151.5" image), one 100 watt lamp on and nothing on. I have found that the projector's 1800 lumen is plenty bright even on eco (less than a 1000 lumen) and the first lamp lasted 5000 hours and I'm over 3000 hours on the second lamp now. If anything it is a little too bright until the lamp ages hundreds of hours.
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I currently have a generic manual pulldown screen, gain unknown that is about 10 years old. ............Epson 8350 that is at least 5 years old...........
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3. Purchase Epson 1450
4. Purchase Epson 1450 and new screen
5. Other

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As as 1440 owner thought I'd chip in.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-dig...er-plasma.html

From your photo the 1450 would be plenty bright for emulating TV viewing, maybe too bright for movies (a neutral density #2 or #4f ilter could be incorporated) and keep in mind depending on where your 8350 is currently mounted, as it has prodigious amount of lens shift, it may not coincide to where you need to place the 1450 (without keystoning) as it needs to be about 8" above (shelf mount) or 8" below (ceiling mount), depending on image size.
So the 3100 might be a slightly better choice or even better a refurbed 3700 directly from Epson both of which have a bit of lens shift and probably more than enough lumens.
https://epson.com/Clearance-Center/H...p/V11H799020-N

Keep in mind the 1450 is also native 16:10 so it will project black bars possibly outside the top and bottom of your black borders of your current 16:9 display.

Ps. Just to add...before getting the 1440 my initial choice was the 8350 refurbished from Epson but my viewing times would have been severely restricted due to the lack of ambient light control, the 1440 is just about perfect for my situation.

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Note that Epson's new 1450 is rated at 200 fewer lumens (4,200 vs. 4,400) than the older 1440. For maximum lumens I'd go for Epson's new 2250U which is rated at 5,000 lumens. For a better image, more features (lens shift, etc.) and still a lot of lumens I'd go for an Epson 3700. Though the 3700 is advertised at 3,000 maximum lumens independent reviewers have measured 3,400+ maximum lumens.
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So everyone agrees dump 8350.....no comments though on screen??

Some think 1450 too bright..is that like too much garlic? I like a bright screen!
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You have the 8350 so it is fairly safe to assume you have been happy with the black level (contrast) and the 3100 or 3700 will be closer to what you have while the 1450 will be a step down. It may look better during the day but at night you might have add filters like rob80b. I have even used one on my 2000 series during the first thousand hours or so just to make keep the image from looking washed out.

Look at the video at the 4:50 mark. Would you be happy with the image on the right at night? During the day, sure it will be the better image. (6:29 mark)

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... Some think 1450 too bright..is that like too much garlic? I like a bright screen!
The issue, as @steve1106 alludes to, is that you can't have both a super bright light cannon projector and great black levels. They just don't exist in the same projector, so you have to pick the compromise that's most acceptable to you. If you aren't sensitive to greyish blacks and can accept worse blacks than your 8350 then go for a light cannon. If you don't want to give up the black levels you currently have an Epson 3700 is going to produce comparable black levels but with the capability of going more than 50% brighter.
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1450 too bright

So if too bright at night, wouldn't just switching to eco mode work? I run my 3700 a its brightest settings and never adjust at night.
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So if too bright at night, wouldn't just switching to eco mode work? I run my 3700 a its brightest settings and never adjust at night.
We'll assume you meant your 8350...no? The 8350 was designed for dark room viewing and from what I understand a good one at that, so brightest or ECO shouldn't make a huge difference but you are looking at less than 600 lumens in Cinema mode (according to www.projectorcentral.com) compared to over 2000 in ECO for the same setting with the 1450 and almost 3000 in normal mode not to mention dynamic which puts you over 4000.
Yes ECO will reduce the brightness but from what I've gathered so far most actually engage ECO more to reduce the noise level, the added benefit is longer lamp life.

With regards to black levels, this is something the average consumer does not really pay much attention to so it can be all relative in terms of perception, the 1450 as my 1440 offer enough brightness so that to most the picture looks amazing under almost all lighting conditions, its sharp, color is very good and due the brightness.. blacks look ...in contrast... look black. It's dark low lit scenes that will look gray.. but again for the average consumer it is a non issue, for us concerning hobbyist coming from plasma for having experienced a proper home theater the differences are obvious and may be unacceptable.

Bottom line the 1450 or 3700 may be exactly what you are looking for, again...not everyone is looking for the "cinematic" dark room experience which is more in line with what your 8350 was designed for as the many user reviews of the 1440 on Amazon will attest to.
https://www.amazon.com/Epson-Cinema-...rds=epson+1440

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If you want decent contrast, I would recommend the Epson 3000 series. They are bright as well as contrasty.
I wish my room throw would allow me to install a 3700.

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Picture seems to be dim, and when I compare to my 75" dlp behind the screen the difference is shocking.
I've posted most of these elsewhere but thought I'd add some photos if that's helpful, keep in mind the camera always adjust to the light. but these are fairly close. (As I take the advantage of ND filters I'll mention them accordingly)
1. night (no filters)
2, 3, 4. afternoon, drapes pulled, no filters.
5. night with inexpensive plastic ND2 filter
6. night with Hoya glass ND4 filter
7. Worst case scenario, afternoon no drapes or blinds pulled.

The 1440 is always in Cinema, ECO.

The point being that the 1440 and we'll assume the 1450 still offer a very vibrant picture where even under dark room conditions blacks still look fairly decent for most viewers and I would think the 3700 would be even better...but nowhere near offering the depth of my plasma or my bros JVC in his bat cave. : )
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No amount of brightness can save a dark scene in a movie during late afternoon viewing though : (
Even at night with my ND4 filter the same scenes were still IMHO...mediocre.
Taken from the film "2012", the rest of the movie looks great though.
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No amount of brightness can save a dark scene in a movie during late afternoon viewing though : (
Even at night with my ND4 filter the same scenes were still IMHO...mediocre.
Taken from the film "2012", the rest of the movie looks great though.
You need better window treatments.

Try installing room darkening blinds plus room darkening curtains. The curtains should be hung higher (2 inches from ceiling).

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You need better window treatments.

Trying installing room darkening blinds plus room darkening curtains. The curtains should be hung higher (2 inches from ceiling).
True....but the OP is looking for a brighter image and just showing an example that some scenes /films can't be saved regardless.
More dark scenes from another film but with much better contrast, black levels.
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Picture seems to be dim, and when I compare to my 75" dlp behind the screen the difference is shocking.
Just came across this thread from 2015, overall an excellent read.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-dig...1600-less.html
Which may help the OP.

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................ With that being said, here are my impressions:

Brightness is off the charts. In terms of general TV shows, sports, and cartoons it is definitely a flat panel killer as billed. It's brighter than my Samsung TV and with just as good color accuracy.

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