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Oh wow nice!

Really dying for some reviews here..
So am I. If consumers like myself are getting them, the pro reviews can't be far behind. Unfortunately it'll be a little while before I can do more than unbox it. I can review the packing materials though
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Really dying for some reviews here..
So am I. If consumers like myself are getting them, the pro reviews can't be far behind. Unfortunately it'll be a little while before I can do more than unbox it. I can review the packing materials though
Congrats. Hope it works out for you.

How large is your screen, and what's the AR? I have a 16x9 135"... So wondering if the 65 has the lumens. Optoma stated a Max size of 140".

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Do we know what the real native contrast of the 5040UB is? Or the SONY HW45ES?
A quick google and the 5040 looks to be about 4500-5000 native. 45es when measured by Kraine is ~7-9k (http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...ny-vpl-hw45es/).

Of course that's all on day1. I'm not sure if the 45es suffers degradation or not. The DLP will definitely not unless the color wheel found a way to fade or the bending mirrors got limp .

Kraine also reviewed the 4040 and said contrast is 1300:1. So I think we are looking at similar native contrast to that for the 65. It looks like the 60 is going to be similar to the H7850 which looks to be a complete "turd".

I guess I'm still holding out hope for the z65. Looks like the UHD65 is going to be too high on latency to be any good for gaming and then the contrast is pretty low end as well. UHD60 will be a definite no based on it's color wheel. Obviously I'll wait for final reviews, but things aren't looking to great for DLP 4k version 1.

I got at least until nov 7th to get a new projector. So hopefully reviews on all these plus some new options are announced at cedia.
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Optoma UHD60 & UHD65 4K/UHD HDR DLP Projectors Now Available

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Do we know what the real native contrast of the 5040UB is? Or the SONY HW45ES?


Contrast measurements can vary between reviewers depending on their testing environment and procedures. That being said most reviews of the Sony 45ES put it at upwards of 5000:1. For context the BenQ HT2050/3050 measure upwards of 2000:1 and JVC's DILA projectors measure closer to 10,000:1. So... 800:1 isn't great. That's more in line with what you would see with an LED DLP like one of the LG UST units or an Epson 2040 3LCD. Not something you'd want in your dedicated media room or blacked out home theater.

Edit: keep in mind that native contrast is only one part of the story for how the projector will show contrast.

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Congrats. Hope it works out for you.

How large is your screen, and what's the AR? I have a 16x9 135"... So wondering if the 65 has the lumens. Optoma stated a Max size of 140".

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Hoping to do 135 as well. My room will be a totally light controlled black hole though. I'd be OK with a 120, but 135 is the goal.

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Hoping to do 135 as well. My room will be a totally light controlled black hole though. I'd be OK with a 120, but 135 is the goal.
I have a 140" so hoping to see if this thing can perform well. Otherwise will have to suck it up and maybe go with laser...
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Hoping to do 135 as well. My room will be a totally light controlled black hole though. I'd be OK with a 120, but 135 is the goal.
I have a 120" screen in a fully darkend bat cave, so the lumens should be enough. I currently have an Epson 3010 running in eco mode and the brightness is enough for me. Hopefully the contrast on the UHD65 is going to be an upgrade over the 3010. The Laser UHZ65 is a little over budget for me.
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Just got shipping confirmation from PP. Shows up tomorrow.
You know you should have asked for $50 each to move quickly on reviewing it and you would have had that new screen. As anxious as everyone is you could have it paid for.

Congrats...one of many ready to pull the trigger once we get some confirmation. Some of the paralysis for me is the UHD vs the UHZ....but may end up with both and move one to my office for presentations....yea my wife will buy that

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You know you should have asked for $50 each to move quickly on reviewing it and you would have had that new screen. As anxious as everyone is you could have it paid for.

Congrats...one of many ready to pull the trigger once we get some confirmation. Some of the paralysis for me is the UHD vs the UHZ....but may end up with both and move one to my office for presentations....yea my wife will buy that
yeah there's the UHD65 vs the UHZ vs the Vivitek options and we basically have zero reviews. A bit weird that production units are shipping to consumers and all we have is one pre-production review with no actual numbers etc.
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yeah there's the UHD65 vs the UHZ vs the Vivitek options and we basically have zero reviews. A bit weird that production units are shipping to consumers and all we have is one pre-production review with no actual numbers etc.
Then in a few months w11500! Which may be best of all.
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WARNING for prospective buyers who want to use the UHD60/65 with a desktop PC:

I called Projector People who got in touch with Optoma prior to my purchase and asked if the UDH65 would work with a PC at 4:4:4 chroma (for clear text at 4k resolution) and the response they were given was that it would work with either 8 or 10 bit color depth at 30hz or at 8 bit only color depth for 60hz.

I received the projector today and what they said was true regarding 30hz but at 60hz only 4:2:0 was an option even at 8 bit color. I called Optoma and right away they said that it should work, so my hardware must be insufficient but as I gave them my system details (GTX 1070 which is also hooked up to a Sony 4k tv running 8 bit 4:4:4 chroma 60hz) they realized that my setup does in fact support it and then they changed their story and said that 4:4:4 support is "only for video sources... not PCs" (rubbish 4:4:4 60hz is THE setting you need for PCs, not video content).

So I just wanted to put this warning out there for anyone thinking they could use the projector for PC 4K 60hz 4:4:4 based on the specs that Optoma published. Great projector for everything else though for sure.
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WARNING for prospective buyers who want to use the UHD60/65 with a desktop PC:

I called Projector People who got in touch with Optoma prior to my purchase and asked if the UDH65 would work with a PC at 4:4:4 chroma (for clear text at 4k resolution) and the response they were given was that it would work with either 8 or 10 bit color depth at 30hz or at 8 bit only color depth for 60hz.

I received the projector today and what they said was true regarding 30hz but at 60hz only 4:2:0 was an option even at 8 bit color. I called Optoma and right away they said that it should work, so my hardware must be insufficient but as I gave them my system details (GTX 1070 which is also hooked up to a Sony 4k tv running 8 bit 4:4:4 chroma 60hz) they realized that my setup does in fact support it and then they changed their story and said that 4:4:4 support is "only for video sources... not PCs" (rubbish 4:4:4 60hz is THE setting you need for PCs, not video content).

So I just wanted to put this warning out there for anyone thinking they could use the projector for PC 4K 60hz 4:4:4 based on the specs that Optoma published. Great projector for everything else though for sure.
Thanks for the heads up!

Can you comment on contrast and HDR content from video sources?
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Thanks for the heads up!

Can you comment on contrast and HDR content from video sources?
Wish I could! My UltraHD bluray player arrives tomorrow but I don't have any discs yet to test out HDR contrast even once it does arrive since I wanted to make sure the projector worked out with my PC first of all. Someone else will have to comment on video use.

I can say though that the DLP 2k to 4k pixel shifting is FLAWLESS. Grid lines are perfect and every individual pixel is pronounced and has no visible shimmer or flicker even up close (I wondered about that prior to purchase as I'm sensitive to even the slightest flicker). For all intents and purposes this is true 3840x2160 image at $2K.

Also, rainbows on the UHD65 RGBRGB model are very few and far between, comparable to BenQs lineup, possibly even better (although I need to test more).
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Can you comment on contrast and HDR content from video sources?
Wish I could! My UltraHD bluray player arrives tomorrow but I don't have any discs yet to test out HDR contrast even once it does arrive since I wanted to make sure the projector worked out with my PC first of all. Someone else will have to comment on video use.

I can say though that the DLP 2k to 4k pixel shifting is FLAWLESS. Grid lines are perfect and every individual pixel is pronounced and has no visible shimmer or flicker even up close (I wondered about that prior to purchase as I'm sensitive to even the slightest flicker). For all intents and purposes this is true 3840x2160 image at $2K.

Also, rainbows on the UHD65 RGBRGB model are very few and far between, comparable to BenQs lineup, possibly even better (although I need to test more).
Thanks for following up. If you can, if you have time, can you comment if you get a chance to view regular blu rays? With respect to contrast and color. I suspect a lot of us here will be watching a lot of Blu-rays also. Not just 4K.

Most of my viewing will be standard BluRay. About 80%. With 20% 4K.

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You know you should have asked for $50 each to move quickly on reviewing it and you would have had that new screen. As anxious as everyone is you could have it paid for.

Congrats...one of many ready to pull the trigger once we get some confirmation. Some of the paralysis for me is the UHD vs the UHZ....but may end up with both and move one to my office for presentations....yea my wife will buy that
You figure out how to pull that off with your significant other and people will pay YOU $50 each to teach them how! LOL
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Wish I could! My UltraHD bluray player arrives tomorrow but I don't have any discs yet to test out HDR contrast even once it does arrive since I wanted to make sure the projector worked out with my PC first of all. Someone else will have to comment on video use.

I can say though that the DLP 2k to 4k pixel shifting is FLAWLESS. Grid lines are perfect and every individual pixel is pronounced and has no visible shimmer or flicker even up close (I wondered about that prior to purchase as I'm sensitive to even the slightest flicker). For all intents and purposes this is true 3840x2160 image at $2K.

Also, rainbows on the UHD65 RGBRGB model are very few and far between, comparable to BenQs lineup, possibly even better (although I need to test more).
Hoo boy that sounds exciting! Hope the UHZ65 laser performs just as well!

Also: How does the input lag feel with FPS games?

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I was fortunate to receive my uhd60 today in the mail. Dont think i will make it into work tomorrow. Lol! Impressions to come soon.
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Nice!

Now we can get some real comparisons.
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Thanks for following up. If you can, if you have time, can you comment if you get a chance to view regular blu rays? With respect to contrast and color. I suspect a lot of us here will be watching a lot of Blu-rays also. Not just 4K.

Most of my viewing will be standard BluRay. About 80%. With 20% 4K.

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Contrast and color is... I'll just say it, bad. I've been watching movies on a comparatively cheap BenQ 2150ST lately and the UHD65 doesn't even come close to the contrast and color available on that. I spent the last hour trying to calibrate it but nope, colors do not pop at all *in comparison*. The 1.2M:1 listed in the specs is a joke.

I did watch a couple native 4k youtube videos and they look absolutely stunning and crisp (1080p planet earth bluray looks downright blurry in comparison to similar themed 4k vids on youtube) but the color and contrast is nothing special.

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Hoo boy that sounds exciting! Hope the UHZ65 laser performs just as well!

Also: How does the input lag feel with FPS games?
Well, the lag is 80ms on the UHD65 with truemotion disabled. That's the lowest input lag available. The UHD60 is supposed to be 50ms from what I heard. Low input lag just isn't going to be a thing with 4k projectors for awhile.
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WARNING for prospective buyers who want to use the UHD60/65 with a desktop PC:

I called Projector People who got in touch with Optoma prior to my purchase and asked if the UDH65 would work with a PC at 4:4:4 chroma (for clear text at 4k resolution) and the response they were given was that it would work with either 8 or 10 bit color depth at 30hz or at 8 bit only color depth for 60hz.

I received the projector today and what they said was true regarding 30hz but at 60hz only 4:2:0 was an option even at 8 bit color. I called Optoma and right away they said that it should work, so my hardware must be insufficient but as I gave them my system details (GTX 1070 which is also hooked up to a Sony 4k tv running 8 bit 4:4:4 chroma 60hz) they realized that my setup does in fact support it and then they changed their story and said that 4:4:4 support is "only for video sources... not PCs" (rubbish 4:4:4 60hz is THE setting you need for PCs, not video content).

So I just wanted to put this warning out there for anyone thinking they could use the projector for PC 4K 60hz 4:4:4 based on the specs that Optoma published. Great projector for everything else though for sure.
Did you try all HDMI ports? Only one is supposedly 18gbps.

https://www.optomausa.com/projectorproduct/uhd65

"1xHDMI 2.0 (w/ HDCP 2.2, MHL 2.1 and Full 18Gbps)"

Plug it directly into the videocard, no AVR, and use a short HDMI cable. this is not the first time I've seen this problem on AVS.

Full 18gbps means 444 at 8-bit 4K60, and without 18gbps there is no HDR10 at 60hz (422 or 420) either which would be awful for games.

From the data sheet:
Color Depth 3840x2160 @30Hz YUV 4:4:4 (8bit, 10bit, 12bit), YUV 4:2:2
(8bit, 10bit, 12bit), YUV 4:2:0 (8bit, 10bit, 12bit)

3840x2160 @60Hz YUV 4:4:4 (8bit), YUV 4:2:2 (8bit), YUV 4:2:0
(8bit, 10bit, 12bit)

I'm 99% sure you're not using the right 18gbps port. It's the only one with HDCP 2.2 so unplug your UHD Bluray player or whatever you have plugged into it now. Plug the PC in directly, it should work.

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Contrast and color is... I'll just say it, bad. I've been watching movies on a comparatively cheap BenQ 2150ST lately and the UHD65 doesn't even come close to the contrast and color available on that. I spent the last hour trying to calibrate it but nope, colors do not pop at all *in comparison*. The 1.2M:1 listed in the specs is a joke.

I did watch a couple native 4k youtube videos and they look absolutely stunning and crisp (1080p planet earth bluray looks downright blurry in comparison to similar themed 4k vids on youtube) but the color and contrast is nothing special.
Not entirely surprised the contrast isn't top of the line since this is the most entry level 4k projector. But excellent to hear sharpness was executed so well.

I am betting we will see significantly better contrast performance out of the Vivitek HK2288, although it is an extra $750-$1000 so there is a price for that. They are usually a few notches ahead of the competition in contrast.
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Contrast and color is... I'll just say it, bad.
That's sad, but hopefully somebody can find a way to improve that at least a little or some other models will be much better.
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I did watch a couple native 4k youtube videos and they look absolutely stunning and crisp (1080p planet earth bluray looks downright blurry in comparison to similar themed 4k vids on youtube)
That is good. Part of that extra sharpness comes from the same thing that hurt the contrast ratio. I understand TI going with 2.7k chips since they can use that marketing groups standard to claim these as real 4K then, while they completely mislead about contrast ratio. However, I wonder how many people around here would have been happier trading off some of that sharpness for some extra contrast ratio be getting 1080p DLP chips plus eShift. They would still have had the sharp pixels from the mirrors that DLPs have.

Unfortunately, I doubt they will offer that option since it would be hard to sell those to the relatively uninformed people who are likely to buy these thinking they are true 4K with over a million to one CR.

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Did you try all HDMI ports? Only one is supposedly 18gbps.

https://www.optomausa.com/projectorproduct/uhd65

"1xHDMI 2.0 (w/ HDCP 2.2, MHL 2.1 and Full 18Gbps)"

Plug it directly into the videocard, no AVR, and use a short HDMI cable. this is not the first time I've seen this problem on AVS.

Full 18gbps means 444 at 8-bit 4K60, and without 18gbps there is no HDR10 at 60hz (422 or 420) either which would be awful for games.

From the data sheet:
Color Depth 3840x2160 @30Hz YUV 4:4:4 (8bit, 10bit, 12bit), YUV 4:2:2
(8bit, 10bit, 12bit), YUV 4:2:0 (8bit, 10bit, 12bit)

3840x2160 @60Hz YUV 4:4:4 (8bit), YUV 4:2:2 (8bit), YUV 4:2:0
(8bit, 10bit, 12bit)

I'm 99% sure you're not using the right 18gbps port. It's the only one with HDCP 2.2 so unplug your UHD Bluray player or whatever you have plugged into it now. Plug the PC in directly, it should work.
Hey man, thanks for the response. I wish you were right and I do agree the spec sheet sounds right but that's just on paper it seems. I didn't try it without the AV receiver before (RX-V681 in my case). But I did now as you suggested and on a shorter 10' cable (same ones I'm using with my other 4k tvs) and it made no difference.

The reason I called Optoma was to see if there was a setting buried in the menu or somesuch (both my Samsung and Sony 4k TV's needed to be plugged into the right HDMI port and have settings toggled in the menu to work at 8 bit 60hz 4:4:4 so I'm no stranger to these types of setups). But alas Optoma said HDMI 2 was the right one (it's labeled HDCP 2.2 right next to the port so it's hard to miss).
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Contrast and color is... I'll just say it, bad. I've been watching movies on a comparatively cheap BenQ 2150ST lately and the UHD65 doesn't even come close to the contrast and color available on that. I spent the last hour trying to calibrate it but nope, colors do not pop at all *in comparison*. The 1.2M:1 listed in the specs is a joke.

I did watch a couple native 4k youtube videos and they look absolutely stunning and crisp (1080p planet earth bluray looks downright blurry in comparison to similar themed 4k vids on youtube) but the color and contrast is nothing special.



Well, the lag is 80ms on the UHD65 with truemotion disabled. That's the lowest input lag available. The UHD60 is supposed to be 50ms from what I heard. Low input lag just isn't going to be a thing with 4k projectors for awhile.
Yep they confirmed 48ms on the amazon Q&A section for the product: https://www.amazon.com/forum/-/Tx1Z11T7CW07OBL/
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Come on Vivitek, please give people one decent choice for 4K DLP. Can't wait to hear what Seegs says about the 65, but I'm sure it won't be good, lol.
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is there a throw calculator for this anywhere?
There is a throw calculator on the Optoma website but I'm not sure it is reliable (supposedly the UHD 65 lens shift enables an offset of "0").

IMHO you should use the user manual (page # 50) for reference which you can download from Optoma: https://www.optomausa.com/projectorp...hd65#Downloads


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I did watch a couple native 4k youtube videos and they look absolutely stunning and crisp (1080p planet earth bluray looks downright blurry in comparison to similar themed 4k vids on youtube) but the color and contrast is nothing special.

Since it is a 4K DLP projector, perhaps Optoma thought that buyers will use it with a UHD BD player that will do the upscaling work to 4K instead of the projector. Have you fed it with native 1080p or upscaled standard Blu-ray images? (of course there should be a visible difference between native 4K UHD content and 1080p content)


Frankly, I wasn't expecting a miracle regarding contrast performance but color?!? Hopefully there are some yet undiscovered tricks to make this one fly for standard Blu-rays, too.

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Hey man, thanks for the response. I wish you were right and I do agree the spec sheet sounds right but that's just on paper it seems. I didn't try it without the AV receiver before (RX-V681 in my case). But I did now as you suggested and on a shorter 10' cable (same ones I'm using with my other 4k tvs) and it made no difference.

The reason I called Optoma was to see if there was a setting buried in the menu or somesuch (both my Samsung and Sony 4k TV's needed to be plugged into the right HDMI port and have settings toggled in the menu to work at 8 bit 60hz 4:4:4 so I'm no stranger to these types of setups). But alas Optoma said HDMI 2 was the right one (it's labeled HDCP 2.2 right next to the port so it's hard to miss).
This basically dropped my jaw. Just out of curiosity are you able to do 50hz @ 4:2:0 10bit? My thoughts are for gaming this went from out but someone could talk themselves into it if they played SP games to WAY out unless something is being missed but it definitely sounds like you know what you're doing. Are you going to keep it? Where you able to choose any 120hz options on lower resolutions?
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