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Scott Wilkinson 06-05-2017 08:18 AM

Optoma UHD60 & UHD65 4K/UHD HDR DLP Projectors Now Available
 
The Optoma UHD60 and UHD65 single-chip DLP projectors offer 4K/UHD resolution and HDR capability for a fraction of what these features have cost up to now.

https://www.avsforum.com/optoma-uhd60...now-available/

sage11x 06-05-2017 08:56 AM

Wow, these prices came in below what we were thinking they would in the other thread. I still think this UHD65 faces some tough competition from Epson and Sony but at $2500 this is certainly priced to compete. Consider that most projectors sell comfortably below their MSRP and this might be a popular unit.

GekkoSoze 06-05-2017 09:15 AM

My 5 year old, Panasonic AT7000 needs a new bulb but at $2K MSRP, I might as well buy this 4K DLP instead.

Iccy 06-05-2017 09:32 AM

Wonder how long it will be before we get decent reviews of this.

JoeBoy73 06-05-2017 09:41 AM

Exciting Times! Looking forward to a proper review as well!

LumensLover 06-05-2017 09:45 AM

I must admit I am a bit intrigued by this new 4k rgbrgb offering at $2500.

JamesVG81 06-05-2017 10:04 AM

Wow , I was really thinking these would be at least 3k+ when they came out. Defiantly going to have to see how the reviews are on these. I was looking at picking up a Epson 5040. Can't wait to see how these stack up. Just wish they made one with a motorized lens ..

sage11x 06-05-2017 10:09 AM

Projectorcentral did point out one potential drawback of the UHD65 for gamers: 82ms of input lag. To be fair this was observed on a pre-production model. We'll have to wait until retail units start finding their way into the hands of owners and reviewers to see if this holds.

sage11x 06-05-2017 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iccy (Post 53442770)
Wonder how long it will be before we get decent reviews of this.

It's just a peak but some good info here: http://www.projectorcentral.com/opto...d65-review.htm

Hawkmarket 06-05-2017 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesVG81 (Post 53443570)
Wow , I was really thinking these would be at least 3k+ when they came out. Defiantly going to have to see how the reviews are on these. I was looking at picking up a Epson 5040. Can't wait to see how these stack up. Just wish they made one with a motorized lens ..


Projector Central just did a small comparison of the projectors. It seems their conclusion was the Epson 5040 was superior in almost every way with the exception of 4K content where the Optoma was sharper. If 4K resolution is your number 1 priority then the Optoma is the way to go. It held no advantage in resolution with content 1080p or less which is where the contrast/brightness/3D/etc. advantages all went to the Epson. Just depends on what you watch and prioritize.

JamesVG81 06-05-2017 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawkmarket (Post 53443802)
Projector Central just did a small comparison of the projectors. It seems their conclusion was the Epson 5040 was superior in almost every way with the exception of 4K content where the Optoma was sharper. If 4K resolution is your number 1 priority then the Optoma is the way to go. It held no advantage in resolution with content 1080p or less which is where the contrast/brightness/3D/etc. advantages all went to the Epson. Just depends on what you watch and prioritize.

I just got done reading it. Yea I would rater have the motorized lens with better contrast and brighter image. Have a 2.35:1, 138 inch AT screen to fill up.

JRock3x8 06-05-2017 10:21 AM

am i allowed to start screaming incoherently with joy? cuz I wanna...

is this HDR finally going to be XBox compatible?

sage11x 06-05-2017 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawkmarket (Post 53443802)
Projector Central just did a small comparison of the projectors. It seems their conclusion was the Epson 5040 was superior in almost every way with the exception of 4K content where the Optoma was sharper. If 4K resolution is your number 1 priority then the Optoma is the way to go. It held no advantage in resolution with content 1080p or less which is where the contrast/brightness/3D/etc. advantages all went to the Epson. Just depends on what you watch and prioritize.

I'm not sure how you got that 'conclucion' from the article... In fact, you didn't because projectorcentral didn't actually say that. :)





"After comparing the UHD65's image sharpness to the Sony VW365ES, we then set it up against the Epson Home Cinema 5040UB. The 5040UB uses a similar pixel shift technology to enhance the image resolution of its native 1080p 3LCD chips. Though the 5040UB produces a picture that is much higher in apparent resolution than a standard 1080p projector, the UHD65 clearly exceeds the sharpness and 4K image detail of the 5040UB when they are placed side by side with a 4K source signal. There should be no surprise here since the 4K DLP chip has double the number of mirrors on the device that the 3LCD chips have. Moreover, the pixel shifting on the 3LCD 1080p devices result in partial overlay of one pixel upon another, whereas the shift technology on the DLP chip, though it overlays, is able to define a second discrete pixel.
Now ... TWO important qualifiers. First, the image detail advantage of the UHD65 over the 5040UB exists ONLY with a native 4K UHD source. Once you switch to a standard 1080p input, these two projectors look identical in image sharpness. And this is no surprise. The UHD65 is able to display image detail that exists in a 4K signal that the 5040UB cannot, but it cannot create 4K detail that is not there. So with 1080p signals both projectors are upscaling 1920x1080 information and practically speaking they end up with the same results (detail wise). Second, once again we must qualify the observation--we are comparing image sharpness and detail resolution only, not all components of image quality. And in point of fact, the 5040UB has similar advantages to the VW65ES--it is brighter than the UHD65, it has higher ANSI contrast, better image three-dimensionality and uniformity. So we would not say one is "better" than the other. They each have competitive advantages over the other, and it depends on what is most important to you. If you want incrementally higher contrast, the 5040UB will give you that. If you want maximum image detail from your 4K UltraHD Blu-rays, the Optoma UHD65 is the clear choice."


I'm not disagreeing that the Epson 5040ub may actually turn out to be the better projector for a lot of people. I too have my concerns about contrast of these new units even though projectorcentral's initial look seems promising. Still, the list of things the Epson does that the Optoma doesn't is long: motorized lens, substantial vertical AND horizontal lens shift, more lumens, no chance of RBE (not sure if I'd count 3D in that list considering how much trouble the Epson seems to have with crosstalk)-- for sure the Epson is an amazing value. But I think everyone should at least wait until we get some hands on observations of actual production models before we start making determinations.

Hawkmarket 06-05-2017 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sage11x (Post 53444250)
I'm not sure how you got that 'conclucion' from the article... In fact, you didn't because projectorcentral didn't actually say that. :)





"After comparing the UHD65's image sharpness to the Sony VW365ES, we then set it up against the Epson Home Cinema 5040UB. The 5040UB uses a similar pixel shift technology to enhance the image resolution of its native 1080p 3LCD chips. Though the 5040UB produces a picture that is much higher in apparent resolution than a standard 1080p projector, the UHD65 clearly exceeds the sharpness and 4K image detail of the 5040UB when they are placed side by side with a 4K source signal. There should be no surprise here since the 4K DLP chip has double the number of mirrors on the device that the 3LCD chips have. Moreover, the pixel shifting on the 3LCD 1080p devices result in partial overlay of one pixel upon another, whereas the shift technology on the DLP chip, though it overlays, is able to define a second discrete pixel.
Now ... TWO important qualifiers. First, the image detail advantage of the UHD65 over the 5040UB exists ONLY with a native 4K UHD source. Once you switch to a standard 1080p input, these two projectors look identical in image sharpness. And this is no surprise. The UHD65 is able to display image detail that exists in a 4K signal that the 5040UB cannot, but it cannot create 4K detail that is not there. So with 1080p signals both projectors are upscaling 1920x1080 information and practically speaking they end up with the same results (detail wise). Second, once again we must qualify the observation--we are comparing image sharpness and detail resolution only, not all components of image quality. And in point of fact, the 5040UB has similar advantages to the VW65ES--it is brighter than the UHD65, it has higher ANSI contrast, better image three-dimensionality and uniformity. So we would not say one is "better" than the other. They each have competitive advantages over the other, and it depends on what is most important to you. If you want incrementally higher contrast, the 5040UB will give you that. If you want maximum image detail from your 4K UltraHD Blu-rays, the Optoma UHD65 is the clear choice."


I'm not disagreeing that the Epson 5040ub may actually turn out to be the better projector for a lot of people. I too have my concerns about contrast of these new units even though projectorcentral's initial look seems promising. Still, the list of things the Epson does that the Optoma doesn't is long: motorized lens, substantial vertical AND horizontal lens shift, more lumens, no chance of RBE (not sure if I'd count 3D in that list considering how much trouble the Epson seems to have with crosstalk)-- for sure the Epson is an amazing value. But I think everyone should at least wait until we get some hands on observations of actual production models before we start making determinations.



Feel free to correct my statement. That is what the article said. Sharper 4k image goes to Optoma. Brighter picture, better contrast go to the Epson.

sage11x 06-05-2017 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawkmarket (Post 53443802)
Projector Central just did a small comparison of the projectors. It seems their conclusion was the Epson 5040 was superior in almost every way with the exception of 4K content where the Optoma was sharper. If 4K resolution is your number 1 priority then the Optoma is the way to go. It held no advantage in resolution with content 1080p or less which is where the contrast/brightness/3D/etc. advantages all went to the Epson. Just depends on what you watch and prioritize.



Is this not your quote? :)

"It seems their conclusion was the Epson 5040 was superior in almost every way..."

First: they made no conclusions. In fact, the entire article can be read as a hedge until they get their hands on an actual production unit and can spend more time than they got with the pre-production model. Second: I'm not sure how you get "superior in almost every way" from this statement:
"it is brighter than the UHD65, it has higher ANSI contrast, better image three-dimensionality and uniformity. So we would not say one is "better" than the other. They each have competitive advantages over the other, and it depends on what is most important to you. If you want incrementally higher contrast, the 5040UB will give you that. If you want maximum image detail from your 4K UltraHD Blu-rays, the Optoma UHD65 is the clear choice."

Right there, in the paragraph, they say that they would not say that one is better than the other! Lol! For sure, that's a hedge. Maybe when the actually review comes out they'll feel more comfortable making such a statement of superiority but they clearly haven't at this point. :)

Jeff Cormier 06-05-2017 11:16 AM

Interested to see how the industry reacts to this? Will the eShift machines come down in price?

Shouldn't be long until competitors follow suit... Good for the consumer!

urcha 06-05-2017 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sage11x (Post 53443642)
Projectorcentral did point out one potential drawback of the UHD65 for gamers: 82ms of input lag. To be fair this was observed on a pre-production model. We'll have to wait until retail units start finding their way into the hands of owners and reviewers to see if this holds.

Really hope it's not this high....been dying to get into projector gaming for the past 6 months. Can't believe it came out at this price point. I took the plunge and ordered the UHD65 from projectorpeople.
I'll be using my 30 day return window to see how good/bad input lag is. Right now though...fingers crossed!

Hawkmarket 06-05-2017 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sage11x (Post 53445090)
Is this not your quote? :)

"It seems their conclusion was the Epson 5040 was superior in almost every way..."

First: they made no conclusions. In fact, the entire article can be read as a hedge until they get their hands on an actual production unit and can spend more time than they got with the pre-production model. Second: I'm not sure how you get "superior in almost every way" from this statement:
"it is brighter than the UHD65, it has higher ANSI contrast, better image three-dimensionality and uniformity. So we would not say one is "better" than the other. They each have competitive advantages over the other, and it depends on what is most important to you. If you want incrementally higher contrast, the 5040UB will give you that. If you want maximum image detail from your 4K UltraHD Blu-rays, the Optoma UHD65 is the clear choice."

Right there, in the paragraph, they say that they would not say that one is better than the other! Lol! For sure, that's a hedge. Maybe when the actually review comes out they'll feel more comfortable making such a statement of superiority but they clearly haven't at this point. :)


This is heading down the road of absurdity. When they used the phrase "competitive advantages" those are indeed conclusions based upon observations. The hedge was that it was a pre-production unit and that their conclusions may change based upon new data. It said what I said in my first post. If maximum resolution of 4K content (sharpness) is your main priority then Optoma is the way to go.

DDailey 06-05-2017 11:57 AM

I certainly hope they included a slider for on/off/auto for Pixel Wiggling in the menu.:D

Ruined 06-05-2017 11:58 AM

Scroll halfway down this page if you want to see actual close up photos of how poor the Epson 5040UB looks with 4k compared to the XPR DLPs such as the Optoma (same chip as Acer V9800 used in this link):

http://cine4home.de/test-premiere-ac...eback-von-dlp/

No need to obsess over a few sentences from projectorcentral when a quick look at some visuals show how DLP XPR 4K blows Epson eShift out of the water in detail. Its not even remotely close.

Also for XPR doubters, "Based on our first independent look at a native 4K projector against a single chip 4K DLP projector, there is no question that the 4K DLP chip is capable of producing a 4K video image that is the visual equivalent in image detail of a native 4K chipset. Whether it can produce a visually equivalent image with complex stationary 4K graphics is a separate question that we have not had time to look at, and that test would be more stringent."

sage11x 06-05-2017 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawkmarket (Post 53446042)
This is heading down the road of absurdity. When they used the phrase "competitive advantages" those are indeed conclusions based upon observations. The hedge was that it was a pre-production unit and that their conclusions may change based upon new data. It said what I said in my first post. If maximum resolution of 4K content (sharpness) is your main priority then Optoma is the way to go.



Hey man: it was your statement. :)

This is the quote from projectorcentral: "So we would not say one is "better" than the other. They each have competitive advantages over the other, and it depends on what is most important to you..."

This is yours: "it seems their conclusion was the Epson 5040 was superior in almost every way..."

I'm sorry but that is just a gross misreading of the text. :)

Dave Harper 06-05-2017 12:11 PM

Optoma UHD60 & UHD65 4K/UHD HDR DLP Projectors Now Available
 
I'd have to agree with Sage here, sorry.

sage11x 06-05-2017 12:22 PM

Optoma UHD60 & UHD65 4K/UHD HDR DLP Projectors Now Available
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Harper (Post 53446818)
I'd have to agree with Sage here, sorry.



And I'm the one that is concerned about just how competitive these new generation 4k DLP models are going to be! Lol! Forget the 5040ub how is this thing going to stack up against the Sony 45ES! :)

But let's not count eggs before they're hatched and let's not misconstrue this projectorcentral review for making declarations it clearly isn't.

Frank714 06-05-2017 12:27 PM

The UHD 65 appears to feature frame interpolation for UHD program content - and if that's as good as the PureMotion FI I get for my BDs with the Optoma HD 83 (or 50), I'm now seriously and finally interested in UHD Blu-ray. :D

Ruined 06-05-2017 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRock3x8 (Post 53443962)
am i allowed to start screaming incoherently with joy? cuz I wanna...

is this HDR finally going to be XBox compatible?

Yes, it will work with XBOX One S or XBOX Scorpio HDR. The difference being the S you will run 1080p HDR for games and 4K UHD HDR for movies, while the Scorpio will run 4k UHD HDR for both games and movies.

derek 06-05-2017 12:45 PM

Support Blu-Ray 24fps 1080p 3D format?

pdube 06-05-2017 01:06 PM

HDR yes but it's not clear about wide color gamut. Or at least how it's implemented.


Taken from https://www.optomausa.com/projectorproduct/uhd65:
Quote:

HDR leverages REC.2020 wide color gamut and DCI-P3 color gamut coverage to deliver luminous levels of white, the deepest black levels, and life-like real world color.
Paul

Pitbull0669 06-05-2017 01:08 PM

f its really $1999 Then the TV Buiss can SUCK IT! my next purchace and replace my projector now I can deal with a 4K or Faux K image at 110 in !

Dave Harper 06-05-2017 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pdube (Post 53448386)
HDR yes but supports only Rec.709.

A little bit of a disappointment but what can we expect at this price?



Paul

@zombie10k has reported that there's some conflicting info stating that it will indeed do DCI-P3 color gamut. It could be marketing or truth. We don't know for sure yet.

curtishd 06-05-2017 01:38 PM

I am trying to understand the lens shift on this... can I shelf mount it at the height of the screen?


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