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Mine will be here Thursday. Will compare it to my Sony 65.
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Mine will be here Friday, will compare it to my Panasonic AR100U, haha. Not sure my mount will be here though and I don't want to hang this thing twice.

Ordered the custom adapter plate from Chief to use instead of the universal with the RPM mount.

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Sweet cant wait to see what you guys think I almost got one at that price
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Hello

I'm trying to get my gamma to 2.4 (tested with i1display) but even set to -2 it only goes to 2.3. I'm not sure how to adjust the custom gamma graph, think I've read to leave the end points alone and only adjust the middle points?

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im thinking of ordering one to check it out against my sony 45 just kinda worried about contrast my brother has a 5040 that looks pretty nice have not seen a 4000
The 4000 will not come close to 5040's contrast in a darkened room. Buy a 5040 if this is your main concern.
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Mine will be here Friday, will compare it to my Panasonic AR100U, haha. Not sure my mount will be here though and I don't want to hang this thing twice.

Ordered the custom adapter plate from Chief to use instead of the universal with the RPM mount.
Made the transition from AR100 to the 4000 last year, you won't be disappointed. More color, better contrast. Used my existing Peerless PRG-UNV mount, no problems.

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i have the sony 45 if you get the epson let use know how it looks
Ok, this 4000 rocks. I thought my Sony 65ES whatever was a good projector. Not anymore.
The faux 4K has so much better colors and this thing is super sharp and much brighter than my Sony. I highly recommend this projector. I'm even thinking of buying the 5040 since people say it's even better! Man, super excited because I didn't expect this to be so good. It really pops. Using a 119”Dalite high powered screen. Beautiful picture.
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Ok, this 4000 rocks. I thought my Sony 65ES whatever was a good projector. Not anymore.
The faux 4K has so much better colors and this thing is super sharp and much brighter than my Sony. I highly recommend this projector. I'm even thinking of buying the 5040 since people say it's even better! Man, super excited because I didn't expect this to be so good. It really pops. Using a 119”Dalite high powered screen. Beautiful picture.
Wow hard to believe that the contrast is not an issue the sony 45 has like 6000:1 ( the 65es has an iris so better )and i think the epson 4000 is 1400:1 are you in a light controlled room or do you have lights on?
I have seen the 5040 and it is bright and has good color, contrast is also nice.some of the pics from the 4000 have made me leery as far as contrast goes .Thanks for reporting back helps me and others thinking about this one.
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I’m in a pitch black room, full light control and no windows. The blacks are better on the Sony for sure but no comparison in overall picture. The Epson is much sharper, better colors, and just pops more. I’m viewing on a 119” DaLite high powered screen, 2.8 gain I believe so it looks REALLY good, like Dolby vs normal theater as my son puts it. 🙂
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Wow cool may have to pick one up and try for myself .Thanks
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Ok...While I am waiting for my Epson 4000 to arrive, I have a question about my existing HDMI cable to my projector. Currently I have a 50' HDMI cable that I bought in 2010.
Here are the spec from Monoprice:

Fire resistant CL2-rated cable jacket
Unbranded cable with no logos or brand markings
Thinner conductors than most other passive cables at the same lengths
10.2Gbps data throughput
1080p resolution at 60Hz
4K resolution at 24Hz
3D video support
Supports the HDMI Ethernet Channel and Audio Return Channel features
Deep Color up to 16-bits per channel (48-bits total), including Sony's x.v.Color™ standard
Supports High Definition Audio, including SA-CD, DVD-Audio, DTS-HD Master Audio™, and Dolby TrueHD™


My question is...Do I need to upgrade my cable for 4k...or am I good to go since the Epson 4000 HDMI output is 10.2Gps?

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Ok...While I am waiting for my Epson 4000 to arrive, I have a question about my existing HDMI cable to my projector. Currently I have a 50' HDMI cable that I bought in 2010.
Here are the spec from Monoprice:

That's a pretty old cable. You'll definitely want to get a 4k certified cable, but the shorter the better if you can.
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That's a pretty old cable. You'll definitely want to get a 4k certified cable, but the shorter the better if you can.
You think?
Even though Monoprice states 10.2Gbps data throughput with 4K resolution at 24Hz?

Isn't that the limitation of the Epson 4000?
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You think?
Even though Monoprice states 10.2Gbps data throughput with 4K resolution at 24Hz?

Isn't that the limitation of the Epson 4000?
I had HDMI 1.4 cables and with the Panny 820 playing a UHD disc, I experienced occasional drop-outs so upgraded to Monoprice Premium Certified cables (Amazon) and the drop-outs disappeared.

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You think?
Even though Monoprice states 10.2Gbps data throughput with 4K resolution at 24Hz?

Isn't that the limitation of the Epson 4000?
I doubt the cable really is capable of that as back then there was no certification process. I have a secondary HT setup with a 60" 1080p plasma, and only 1080p sources. I got a new processor and found it to be buggy, but the system did work. Even though I kept the sources the same, I switched all my cables out to 4k certified and the bugs pretty much disappeared. That was expected. However what wasn't expected was the picture quality improved - not night and day, but it was noticeable.

HDMI is a chain, so make sure you not only get a 4k certified cable to your projector, get ones for your all your sources - 4k and non-4k. If you don't notice an improvement, I'd be surprised (keep your old cables and swap them in/out). If no improvement, you didn't really outlay much cash.
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I appreciate the responses...I just upgraded my receiver & all the short cables. I was inspecting my existing 50’ cable to my projector and noticed it said high speed w/Ethernet so I looked up the specs. I will plan to replace that cable too.
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Have had my Epson since Christmas. I got it for 3 reasons: 1) 4K projector 2) Had Lens Memory for my 2:35:1 screen and 3) Cheaper one with those features! Initial thoughts:

1. Color is fabulous. In lit scenes the colors look very sharp and crisp. Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets had some jaw dropping scenes.
2. Black levels are poor to awful. If you turn the brightness too low darker scenes are hard to see, too high and they are too washed out/gray on the edges. I knew this was an issue with the projector when I got it. I have a completely dark room so this was in some ways expected. My eyes get a bit irritated when movies jump from darker to lit scenes.
3. I had a hard time finding a mount as 1) mine has to hang down ~ 30" below the ceiling and 2) the mounting holes are further apart than most mounts will support. I will likely end up building a little shelf for the projector than fiddle with mounts anymore.
4. Is there some way I can turn on the projector without using the remote? I have HDMI-CEC enabled but this sends signals FROM the projector TO another device (receiver usually), instead of the receiver telling the projector to power on. It would help a lot with remote clutter.
5. I've been looking for calibration settings on this device. The Sounds & Vision site just looked way too green.
6. I sit about 14' away from my screen. Not sure I can tell the difference between 4K and 1080p, haven't done a formal test yet.
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So just to double check my research, if I get the HD Fury 4K Linker then I will be able to get 4k 60fps out of this using my Xbox One X for movies and games correct? Would I also be able to get Atmos passthrough using it?
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You can get 4k 60Hz on the Xbox One X but you cannot get 4k 60Hz with HDR without the linker.

I'm not sure about Atmos pass-through. My plan is to get the linker and set it up between my AVR and the projector.

Xbox One X > AVR > Linker > Epson HC 4000

I believe the linker can be set up with two profiles so that the only video it alters is 4K 60Hz with HDR. Other video like 4k 24Hz with HDR for Blu-Ray can be passed through un-altered.

I also have a PS4 Pro connected to my AVR and putting the linker after the AVR will allow it to convert 4K 60Hz with HDR from the PlayStation as well.

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Well...got the 4000 mounted yesterday. I’m very impressed with the picture quality. The colors are vivid and black level isn’t too bad for my viewing.
I am replacing a Panasonic AE4000 w/92” DIY screen. I actually bought the Sony 85” (850f) just before Black Friday on a screaming deal but couldn’t get over the “in my face” brightness vs black levels so when I saw the Epson deal, I decided to return the TV.

A couple of things that were surprising even though I think they are mentioned here is:

1. The size...I thought the Panasonic AE4000 was large & heavy but the 4000 is truly a beast...and I think the white casing makes it look even larger too (my ceiling is black).
2. The mount...I have a universal mount with moveable mount arms that I thought would be no problem but the mount holes on the 4000 are so far apart that I had to create a couple extensions to make it work.
3. The lens shift...I started tilting the mount to try to bring the image down and then realized the 4000 has a motorized lens and it will shift the screen like 6’ up or down...wow.
4. HDMI...I haven’t replaced my 50’ long cable yet, however I have not seen an issue and I verified the 4K resolution in the projector info. I will still replace the cable and maybe the image will improve?
5. The screen...I was not sure how the brightness of the 4000 would pair with my DIY 92” melamine screen but there is no hot spotting or anything. I’m hoping for an even better image with the 106” Silver Ticket.
6. Out of the box image settings...I haven’t spent much time calibrating the 4000 as I am pretty impressed with the flat settings out of the box, but I did try the Sound & Vision and it was too green for me. I just reset all the settings and have been watching it with “Bright Cinema” in ECO mode...no other changes yet.
7. Value...I have a hard time believing there is a better projector out there that is a better value than the Epson 4000.


I definitely appreciate all the posts on this and look forward to more info.

Thanks
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Well...got the 4000 mounted yesterday. I’m very impressed with the picture quality. The colors are vivid and black level isn’t too bad for my viewing.

I am replacing a Panasonic AE4000 w/92” DIY screen. I actually bought the Sony 85” (850f) just before Black Friday on a screaming deal but couldn’t get over the “in my face” brightness vs black levels so when I saw the Epson deal, I decided to return the TV.



A couple of things that were surprising even though I think they are mentioned here is:



1. The size...I thought the Panasonic AE4000 was large & heavy but the 4000 is truly a beast...and I think the white casing makes it look even larger too (my ceiling is black).

2. The mount...I have a universal mount with moveable mount arms that I thought would be no problem but the mount holes on the 4000 are so far apart that I had to create a couple extensions to make it work.

3. The lens shift...I started tilting the mount to try to bring the image down and then realized the 4000 has a motorized lens and it will shift the screen like 6’ up or down...wow.

4. HDMI...I haven’t replaced my 50’ long cable yet, however I have not seen an issue and I verified the 4K resolution in the projector info. I will still replace the cable and maybe the image will improve?

5. The screen...I was not sure how the brightness of the 4000 would pair with my DIY 92” melamine screen but there is no hot spotting or anything. I’m hoping for an even better image with the 106” Silver Ticket.

6. Out of the box image settings...I haven’t spent much time calibrating the 4000 as I am pretty impressed with the flat settings out of the box, but I did try the Sound & Vision and it was too green for me. I just reset all the settings and have been watching it with “Bright Cinema” in ECO mode...no other changes yet.

7. Value...I have a hard time believing there is a better projector out there that is a better value than the Epson 4000.





I definitely appreciate all the posts on this and look forward to more info.



Thanks

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How would you compare contrast and blacks to the Panasonic?
I have a Panasonic AE8000 and I'm thinking about replace it with an Epson.

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Just checking, is there only 2 point greyscale adjustment on this projector?

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4. HDMI...I haven’t replaced my 50’ long cable yet, however I have not seen an issue and I verified the 4K resolution in the projector info. I will still replace the cable and maybe the image will improve?
Nope, if you're getting the 4K resolution with your present 50 foot HDMI cable changing to a newer cable will not change the image quality.

Like you I am using my original high speed HDMI (Blue Jeans) 40 foot cable with the 4000. Connected through my Denon X2300 is the Panasonic UB820 Blu-ray player, the Sony X800 Blu-ray player, Apple TV 4K streamer, Amazon Fire TV 4K Stick streamer and Roku Premiere+ 4K streamer. All work fine with UHD material and Atmos sound.
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How would you compare contrast and blacks to the Panasonic?
I have a Panasonic AE8000 and I'm thinking about replace it with an Epson.

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To be honest with you the bulb in my Panasonic was so old & tired I cannot really compare, as the Epson is so much brighter. I also had the Sony 85" TV in between.

I loved my Panasonic AE4000 for thousands of hours...and I'm sure the AE8000 was an even better projector.
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To be honest with you the bulb in my Panasonic was so old & tired I cannot really compare, as the Epson is so much brighter. I also had the Sony 85" TV in between.

I loved my Panasonic AE4000 for thousands of hours...and I'm sure the AE8000 was an even better projector.
I've seen a AE8000 and a 5040 and of course the 5040 had better blacks, but the cool thing I liked about the 8000 was the automatic lens shift during a movie. I would the 4000 would be a litter better, but the better upgrade would be a 5040 or 6040 to me. Best Buy sells them and you could do a side side test yo see. If you don't like it take it back.

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One thing I have noticed is the auto-iris is very noisy. I had to turn it off as it was very bothersome. Every time I changed channels it would make a noise, every time there was a black or blank screen between regular programs and commercials it would make a noise...anyone else experience this?

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5. I've been looking for calibration settings on this device. The Sounds & Vision site just looked way too green.
I was directed to the 5040 thread for settings:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-di...hread-547.html

For SDR: Post #16381 - I use the Orcus SDR for a Dark Room settings and the image is outstanding. I had to tweak a couple of the settings (mainly had to increase the brightness some) and have been playing with the Iris settings to see which I like the best. Picture is just beautiful, however.

For SDR: Post #16483 - Neilvm's settings. Haven't tried them yet but will. They come highly recommended.

For HDR: Post #7217 for Harpervision settings. Post #16381 also has Orcus, Rob, and Harpervision settings. Post #16440 has Neilvm settings in the attached PDF.

There are a few other settings for sports, but not sure where they are in the thread. Try all of the above and save them since there are so many memory slots available. Tweak as desired; you won't be disappointed.
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One thing I have noticed is the auto-iris is very noisy. I had to turn it off as it was very bothersome. Every time I changed channels it would make a noise, every time there was a black or blank screen between regular programs and commercials it would make a noise...anyone else experience this?

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What speed do you have it set to?

I found fast to be annoying and normal to be the best.

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What speed do you have it set to?

I found fast to be annoying and normal to be the best.


I had it set to "Fast, then chose "Normal"...but there was still considerable noise so now it is off.
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I had HDMI 1.4 cables and with the Panny 820 playing a UHD disc, I experienced occasional drop-outs so upgraded to Monoprice Premium Certified cables (Amazon) and the drop-outs disappeared.
I also had the HDMI 1.4 cables and it would not work with my Epson 4040. I upgraded to Monoprice Cabernet Ultra Series Active High Speed HDMI cables and everything has worked flawlessly for 2 years!!! (Projector was installed on 1/21/2017).

I have a 40 foot running from receiver to Epson projector (Monitor 1 out) and a 45 foot running from receiver to LG OLED in the game room (Monitor 2 out), and even tried a 75 foot running from projector to guest room LG 4K HDR 43" inch (Zone 2 out) and I am getting 4K and HDR with no drop-outs!!

The Monoprice Cabernet are rated for 18Gbps at lengths up to 50 feet and they go on sale frequently for 30-50% off. I believe I paid $20-$25 for each of my cables (40, 45, and 75 feet).

Here is a link:
https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=12959

I then purchased a few of the premium certified cables to connect the 4k blu ray players and Roku and ATV4k, and again they work flawless and are not expensive (under $5 each). I get 6 feet cables for connecting devices as I read they are the ideal length. Here is a link:

https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=15427

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