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hello everyone is interested in buying this projector.
I live in Italy! when this model comes to Europe??
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hello everyone is interested in buying this projector.
I live in Italy! when this model comes to Europe??
Have you checked Ebay and Amazon to see if either will ship there.
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Have you checked Ebay and Amazon to see if either will ship there.
epson italy told me that it is the EH-TW7300!!!
it's true??
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epson italy told me that it is the EH-TW7300!!!
it's true??
sure looks like it to me, check out this review

http://www.homecinemachoice.com/news...0-review/25038
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Would the Epson 4000 be noticeably better than my Sony 40es projector? Would it be worth the upgrade?
I mostly play Xbox one and PS4 pro on it plus movies.
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I had to do the same thing with my XBox to pass HDR 4:2:2. Here are the settings I've used that seem to provide ample brightness while maintaining the black level. (https://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-dig...l#post54625502) I didn't take a picture of my brightness and contrast settings because those settings will vary by screen. I also like the calibration wizard on the XBox that guides you to the best brightness and contrast settings.

I'm definitely content with the PQ of this projector, considering the price-point. With Sony having just announced a new native 4K SXRD (VPL-VW285ES) projector @ CEDIA last week for $5K, I'd be interested to see how this Epson compares to that one in terms of 4K sharpness and dynamic range given the price difference of $3K. Spec wise, the Sony has native 4K but lower brightness (1500 lumens) - so true 4K at the expense of HDR brightness to justify the price difference is an interesting debate.
Sorry, dumb question. Are you saying you’re able to play games on the Xboxin HDR?

Sorry, I know I asked this before. I just haven’t been able to find a definitive answer. It’s the one thing keeping me from buying this or the 5040.

I know it can’t do HDR 4K gaming....but 1080 HDR?

With the One X pre-ordered, this would be a great addition!
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Sorry, dumb question. Are you saying you’re able to play games on the Xboxin HDR?

Sorry, I know I asked this before. I just haven’t been able to find a definitive answer. It’s the one thing keeping me from buying this or the 5040.

I know it can’t do HDR 4K gaming....but 1080 HDR?

With the One X pre-ordered, this would be a great addition!
For HDR, I'm specifically referring to being able to see HDR playback of 4K BD movies with the Epson and XBox One S. I posted some images some posts ago on this thread, one of which has the HDR 4:2:2 signal. I can't speak to HDR gaming or lower resolution HDR compatibility. Hope that helps to clarify. Regards.
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Anyone been able to set up the 4000 with their Harmony Hub?

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Hi guys,

Does anyone know why 3D it's disabled when I am using Nvidia Shield Tv?

Projector: Epson HC4000
Nvidia Shield TV - HDMI Res (recommended) 4K: 60Hz

I tried 3D Mkv SBS/OU and none of them worked .... (unable to access 3D settings)

Any clue?

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Hi guys,

Does anyone know why 3D it's disabled when I am using Nvidia Shield Tv?

Projector: Epson HC4000
Nvidia Shield TV - HDMI Res (recommended) 4K: 60Hz

I tried 3D Mkv SBS/OU and none of them worked .... (unable to access 3D settings)

Any clue?

Thanks !
Try changing the resolution to 1080p, I don't think 3D is supported in 4K.
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Try changing the resolution to 1080p, I don't think 3D is supported in 4K.
I'm having issues getting the shield to output 4k. Anyone else experiencing that?

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I'm having issues getting the shield to output 4k. Anyone else experiencing that?

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Do you have HDR enabled? If so force the Shield to 4k24. The projector cannot handle a 4k60 HDR signal.
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Do you have HDR enabled? If so force the Shield to 4k24. The projector cannot handle a 4k60 HDR signal.
HDR enabled on Nvidia?

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Ah sorry I think I misread your question. You are having issues getting any 4K signal to display?

I think you need to force 4k24 to get Netflix HDR to work.
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Ah sorry I think I misread your question. You are having issues getting any 4K signal to display?

I think you need to force 4k24 to get Netflix HDR to work.
Well not sure how to validate other than Netflix. Easy on Netflix because it says in Netflix hd vs uhd. I need to force that in Nvidia?

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Try changing the resolution to 1080p, I don't think 3D is supported in 4K.
If I switch Nvidia to 1080p the 3D it's working fine but all the 4K movies will go as a 1080p to my projector
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If I switch Nvidia to 1080p the 3D it's working fine but all the 4K movies will go as a 1080p to my projector
You may have to manually switch the resolution when you want to want to view 4K content.
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Would the Epson 4000 be noticeably better than my Sony 40es projector? Would it be worth the upgrade?
I mostly play Xbox one and PS4 pro on it plus movies.
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It will be brighter than the Sony 40es, however it's black levels will be noticeably inferior to the Sony 40ES because of it's relatively low native contrast. It does not have an iris like the 5040ub to help make up for this shortcoming.
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Upgrade from Mitsubishi HC5500

So my 8 year old HC5500 has developed dots, seems like a circuit board failure as this is a LCD not DLP model. I am looking at 2 different Epsons, the 4000 and the 3100. Now I am assuming that either of these would be a large upgrade compared to what I had, but the pros about he HC5500 was very good optics, great noise level (19db) in econo. The contrast ratio was listed as 19000:1 back then. Should I expect the HC4000 or the HC3100 to both blow this old projector out of the water in pure blacks and shadow detail or have things not improved too much and it is all just marketing at the end of the day? Also I know various people have answered this in different ways, but I want to confirm. The HC4000 can do HDR but only in 1080P mode for video consoles as it only supports 30fps 4K HDR? I think that is it. Also does anyone know how the lens/glass in the 3100 vs the 4000 specs out? Thanks again have loved this forum for 10 years now!
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So my 8 year old HC5500 has developed dots, seems like a circuit board failure as this is a LCD not DLP model. I am looking at 2 different Epsons, the 4000 and the 3100. Now I am assuming that either of these would be a large upgrade compared to what I had, but the pros about he HC5500 was very good optics, great noise level (19db) in econo. The contrast ratio was listed as 19000:1 back then. Should I expect the HC4000 or the HC3100 to both blow this old projector out of the water in pure blacks and shadow detail or have things not improved too much and it is all just marketing at the end of the day? Also I know various people have answered this in different ways, but I want to confirm. The HC4000 can do HDR but only in 1080P mode for video consoles as it only supports 30fps 4K HDR? I think that is it. Also does anyone know how the lens/glass in the 3100 vs the 4000 specs out? Thanks again have loved this forum for 10 years now!
If I understand correctly, HC4000 can do HDR in 4K as well, though only if the refresh rate is lower. i.e. watching movies etc will work (most have 23.976Hz), however 4K/60Hz gaming will not work in HDR.
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Ok. So After many months of lurking around, I finally pulled the plug on the HC4000. I was really torn between this and 5040UB for a long lone time. But eventually decided that HC4000 is sufficient for my needs.
Now this is my first life experience with projectors, and I am trying to be as "DIY" as possible. I am right now debating on the mounting options and screen.

My setup: Light controlled basement, with 7.5 ft ceiling. Since the basement is already finished, I am thinking if shelf mounting this projector is a reasonable approach.

My plan: To buy a Besta shelf unit from Ikea, wall mount the shelf, and then put the projector there.
The projector will be at approx 6ft height from the ground. For screen, I am thinking to get a Elite Screens fixed frame 135inch Aeon, which will be roughly 3-4 inches from the ceiling, and 18 odd inches from the ground. The throw distance will be around 14-15 feet.

What do you guys think of this installation approach? Appreciate your feedback.
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I think that'll work great. I also have a low ceiling height of 7' 6" and have a 5030ub shelf mounted about 18.5' from the screen of 120". If I could shelf mount at your distance and had the room width-wise I would have went with a 135" screen. I've got the 4K upgrade bug now and keep fighting the urge to upgrade to the 4000 or 5040. Best of luck & enjoy your new theater!

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I think that'll work great. I also have a low ceiling height of 7' 6" and have a 5030ub shelf mounted about 18.5' from the screen of 120". If I could shelf mount at your distance and had the room width-wise I would have went with a 135" screen. I've got the 4K upgrade bug now and keep fighting the urge to upgrade to the 4000 or 5040. Best of luck & enjoy your new theater!

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Thanks for your comments. I got my PJ and screen last week and spent good part of my weekend installing everything. I will share the details of my installation and some pics later. The 4K files look absolutely amazing. I am so far not mighty impressed with the HDR though. Lol. It could be due the very buggy implementation of HDR on Windows 10 though.
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Thanks for your comments. I got my PJ and screen last week and spent good part of my weekend installing everything. I will share the details of my installation and some pics later. The 4K files look absolutely amazing. I am so far not mighty impressed with the HDR though. Lol. It could be due the very buggy implementation of HDR on Windows 10 though.

I JUST broke down & ordered a 5040, your message showed up seconds after hitting the "buy" button. Wish you'd said that HDR wuz AWESOME.......

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I JUST broke down & ordered a 5040, your message showed up seconds after hitting the "buy" button. Wish you'd said that HDR wuz AWESOME.......

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I was also torn between Epson 4000 and the new Vivitek for a long time. But the 3D supported tilted it in favor of Epson. HDR is still in it's infancy, so I thought 3D is definitely something I would be using more.

I guess my disappointment with HDR could also be due to the fact that I do not have a dedicated Blu Ray player. I play all my media from either windows or MiBox. I think the Windows 10 implementation of HDR is pathetic to be honest. Turning the HDR on literally dims the desktop as if I have lost vision. I am going to try and tinker around with Media Player Classic and PowerDVD tonight.

But from the experiences so far, I do not believe 4000 and 5040 differ a lot. 5040UB supposedly has a slightly better black representation. In Canada, the premium for 5040 over 4000 is in excess of 1K$, could not justify that.
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I was also torn between Epson 4000 and the new Vivitek for a long time. But the 3D supported tilted it in favor of Epson. HDR is still in it's infancy, so I thought 3D is definitely something I would be using more.

I guess my disappointment with HDR could also be due to the fact that I do not have a dedicated Blu Ray player. I play all my media from either windows or MiBox. I think the Windows 10 implementation of HDR is pathetic to be honest. Turning the HDR on literally dims the desktop as if I have lost vision. I am going to try and tinker around with Media Player Classic and PowerDVD tonight.

But from the experiences so far, I do not believe 4000 and 5040 differ a lot. 5040UB supposedly has a slightly better black representation. In Canada, the premium for 5040 over 4000 is in excess of 1K$, could not justify that.

Yeah, I still want 3d as well. Probably should've went with the 4000. I was just afraid I'd be disappointed with the black levels coming from a 5030.
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As promised, here are some pics of my installation and also some sample snaps from youtube videos. I still have cables lying all around which I have to manage next. For screen, I had to create an offset of around 1 feet from wall to accomodate a structural stud and also an ac vent.
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As promised, here are some pics of my installation and also some sample snaps from youtube videos. I still have cables lying all around which I have to manage next. For screen, I had to create an offset of around 1 feet from wall to accomodate a structural stud and also an ac vent.
A suggestion you may not have considered: the lower shelf standards you are using to offset the screen could be inverted as they are not supporting weight, which would hide them better. You could use the same units as above with the 2x4 to have the screen perfectly vertical.
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I realize this projector is the lesser brother to the 5040 but after reading the review (@ projectorreviews.com) and seeing the current sale price is just under $1800 I wonder why this isn't generating more interest. The closest competition price-wise is the Vivitek 2288 currently selling for just under $1400. If you don't have a bat-cave for a home theater and react to RBE this projector would seem to be a decent choice for the money. I realize the 5040 and 4000 projectors don't offer 18 Gbps. Opinions?
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I realize this projector is the lesser brother to the 5040 but after reading the review (@ projectorreviews.com) and seeing the current sale price is just under $1800 I wonder why this isn't generating more interest. The closest competition price-wise is the Vivitek 2288 currently selling for just under $1400. If you don't have a bat-cave for a home theater and react to RBE this projector would seem to be a decent choice for the money. I realize the 5040 and 4000 projectors don't offer 18 Gbps. Opinions?

Wondering the same thing here... I am debating between this one and the Sony HW45es and leaning towards this one due to being able to handle a 4k input. I am just looking at this projector as a stop-gap and it seems to hit everything I am looking for. The only concern really is the contrast levels. I am not a videophile so I don't think it will bother me based on some of the pics I am seeing here and with reviewers, but I am concerned on the pics that show really washed out images versus others that look great. Why so much disparity between some photos?
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