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post #31 of 81 Old 01-25-2018, 05:53 PM - Thread Starter
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Answer 1: the projector is 29 inches off the wall and 9 inches below the screen. The box dimensions and pics are in an earlier post in this string

Answer 2: the screen is a BCP120 from ViewSonic (actually DNP). More information earlier in this string as well.
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Welcome to this seemingly under appreciated UST. What size screen do you have there?

The ceiling reflections are an issue that I believe is universal with UST unfortunately. I am in the process of repainting my room to help with this but I think some sort of dark hanging/tile above the screen could mitigate them.
Is it physically impossible to mount this pj upside down and hang from the ceiling? (I know it defeats the purpose of easy to setup) just thinking then you could mitigate the reflected light with a dark rug.

Do the Viewsonic BrilliantColor screens absorb all this light spilled on the ceiling? Are their cheaper alternatives that are anywhere near as good? (I was looking at DIY with Elite Cinegray 0.8-1.0)
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It is possible to mount this projector upside down. There are quite a few UST projector mounts for this.

As far are the BCP screen. Not possible. It's a Lenticular lens screen. Meaning it's plastic lensing, not material. Lenticular lenses are best know in kids toys where you look at one angle to see one picture, tip the angle to see a different picture.

This screen is a very large, very high res version of one of these that has picture one (from above) black and picture two (from below) white. It's a very old lensing technology used in a very new way. If you run your finger nails down the screen it feels like an old record.

But because Lenticular technology is unidirectional it can only work effectively from a bottom light source.
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It is possible to mount this projector upside down. There are quite a few UST projector mounts for this.

As far are the BCP screen. Not possible. It's a Lenticular lens screen. Meaning it's plastic lensing, not material. Lenticular lenses are best know in kids toys where you look at one angle to see one picture, tip the angle to see a different picture.

This screen is a very large, very high res version of one of these that has picture one (from above) black and picture two (from below) white. It's a very old lensing technology used in a very new way. If you run your finger nails down the screen it feels like an old record.

But because Lenticular technology is unidirectional it can only work effectively from a bottom light source.
This is interesting you say it can only be used right-side-up because I think in one of Projectorcentral's reviews he states the projector could be mounted upside down, but then the BCP screen would have to be rotated 180 degrees to accommodate this (not sure if he tried this, was told this by the Viewsonic, or just reasoned through it...but it makes sense though the angle at which you view it would be slightly different than floor mounted...probably more like standing up with it right side up). My question about the upside down mounting was specifically for a non BCP screen to see if this helped with light spill.

Anyone know if the BCP screen works with all UST projectors? My only hangup with this pj + BCP is that, then you're totally committed to the UST setup. I was previously looking at Benq 2150st and Optoma 1080Darbee...if I got tired of either of those I could just swap it for the newest/better 4K laser pj in the future and screen would mostly likely still be optimum for the setup. If the BCP screen is great for all UST pjs, I don't think it would be hard to stick with UST as every manufacturer has one (or is working overtime to get one to market).

My other hangup is the noise...how bad is it from 15 ft. away? My PS3 sounds like a refrigerator when its running but I don't watch movies on it. I'm guess if I watched movies at night I could use low lamp and it wouldn't bother me, but during the day I don't want to listen to this compete with my PS3 for "who can be loudest."
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You can physically mount the BCP upside down, but the key to Lenticular lens screens is that the projector light source is coming from the opposite direction as the ambient light sources. For a BCP screen to work right upside down, the room light sources would have to come from the floor.

Also, the BCP was not designed for the ViewSonic projector. It is simply a rebranded DNP screen that was made for all UST projectors under a specific throw ratio. ViewSonic is doing a much better job marketing this screen than DNP is.

As far as noise, the enclosed cabinet I created helped alot. Cannot here eco mode at all, and only in total silence in normal mode.
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You can physically mount the BCP upside down, but the key to Lenticular lens screens is that the projector light source is coming from the opposite direction as the ambient light sources. For a BCP screen to work right upside down, the room light sources would have to come from the floor.

Also, the BCP was not designed for the ViewSonic projector. It is simply a rebranded DNP screen that was made for all UST projectors under a specific throw ratio. ViewSonic is doing a much better job marketing this screen than DNP is.

As far as noise, the enclosed cabinet I created helped alot. Cannot here eco mode at all, and only in total silence in normal mode.
Thanks. I used to have an old rear projection RCA TV with a lenticular screen, it was hilariously large and heavy, but I realize now that is what was used on it.

Any reason to think lenticular screens won't work well with an LED or laser light source pj? I think that's where all this is going with HDR color not being very compatible with UHP lamps? (like some wavelength incompatibility or something?)
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It will work great with all UST projector s of all light source types. The BCP120 is better for 4k than the BCP100 simply because they use the same lens pitch independent of screen size, so the 120 has more lines of resolution.
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On the nose question, on eco it is quieter than my computer on idle, basically inaudible. In normal, it is noticable during quiet scenes but not otherwise.
It is worth repeating that fan noise bothers some more than others.

FYI, my seating distance is ~12'
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Is it physically impossible to mount this pj upside down and hang from the ceiling? (I know it defeats the purpose of easy to setup) just thinking then you could mitigate the reflected light with a dark rug.

Do the Viewsonic BrilliantColor screens absorb all this light spilled on the ceiling? Are their cheaper alternatives that are anywhere near as good? (I was looking at DIY with Elite Cinegray 0.8-1.0)
@pottscb If youre considering cost then Elite Screens option is the best Ive seen. But dont go with the Cinegray model as it is not made with UST projectors in mind. Look at the Elite Screens AR100H-CLR instead. Its the same material as Viewsonic's but from what i can tell its tensioned and fastened to the frame by velcro lining rather than miniature springs. Most likely to save on cost and hence the consumer price difference.
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Speaking of UST specific screens.....Anyone currently shopping, have you noticed the complete sudden lack of inventory for 100" UST screens no matter whom the manufacturer? Like within a week's time there is nothing available.

And does anyone know about XY Screens out of China? They offer a UST screen called 100" 16:9 SPHK PET-CRYSTAL that seem to be the exact same specs as Viewsonics and all the others but at a better cost.

They quoted me by email $1075.00 including 10 day DHL shipping........when its in stock again.
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Speaking of UST specific screens.....Anyone currently shopping, have you noticed the complete sudden lack of inventory for 100" UST screens no matter whom the manufacturer? Like within a week's time there is nothing available.

And does anyone know about XY Screens out of China? They offer a UST screen called 100" 16:9 SPHK PET-CRYSTAL that seem to be the exact same specs as Viewsonics and all the others but at a better cost.

They quoted me by email $1075.00 including 10 day DHL shipping........when its in stock again.
Most resellers are out of 90, 100" some have 120" (I'm guessing its just a low volume seller so it takes a while to get product) Amazon has the 90" Elite Starbright CLR, which is a 0.6 gain so you'd lose about 40% light output for the person asking about this above...course some of this is will be negated by the "contrast enhancement" you'd get from the screen not washing out nearly as bad as a white screen, but yeah, at night I'm guessing you'd seriously notice it in side by side viewing with a white screen. These grey screens all are a very special purpose item, you need to have some light in the room for them to be worth it. Ideally, if you do both a drop down white screen over your grey screen it would be optimum for both situations (as long as your a Good American and don't believe in excess...might as well have 16:9 and 2.35:1 versions of each color!)
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Hi!

please can you suggest me other screen for this projector? Considering 2000 lumens, 10,000 contrast and no control over the light room, is better choice going to white with 1,0 gain or a grey with 0,8 gain? I was thinking in elite screen doubting between cinewhite or cinegrey material.

And please one question related to the image quality and blacks of this projector, is at level of an EPSON 3700 for example? Is not easy to find many information related this projector.


Many thanks!
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Hi!

please can you suggest me other screen for this projector? Considering 2000 lumens, 10,000 contrast and no control over the light room, is better choice going to white with 1,0 gain or a grey with 0,8 gain? I was thinking in elite screen doubting between cinewhite or cinegrey material.

And please one question related to the image quality and blacks of this projector, is at level of an EPSON 3700 for example? Is not easy to find many information related this projector.


Many thanks!
Elite doesn't recommend their Cinegray 3D/5D material for ST/UST projectors, I have a question in to them to find out why (my guess is hot spotting), otherwise, Cinewhite and Cinegray 1.0 should be fine but won't fight ambient light as well as a lenticular (micro ridges) screen.
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My 100" UST screen from Snowhite arrived today and finally got it setup. Based off the before and after all I can say is WWWOOOOOOWWWWWW!!!!!! This screen is freaking awesome! The colors and contrast of this projector partnered with this screen is 1000 times better than what i had before. Ive got quite a few pics to share but none of them really show the quality it has in person.

Full disclosure ahead of them, my pics all tend to display the whites w a blueish hue that is not the same in person.
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Here are some more of the unboxing and assembly.
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Looks great. What specific model and where did you buy again please? I thought I had the site saved off but not sure I have the right one and it lists no prices, just a email me the latest price thing.
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Looks great. What specific model and where did you buy again please? I thought I had the site saved off but not sure I have the right one and it lists no prices, just a email me the latest price thing.


Here’s a picture of the information that they sent to me prior to my order. The only thing it didn’t include was the cost of shipping. I received one week shipping via UPS for another 150 bucks.




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Here’s a picture of the information that they sent to me prior to my order. The only thing it didn’t include was the cost of shipping. I received one week shipping via UPS for another 150 bucks.




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From Alibaba right? Also, so you are happy with the Viewsonic PX800HD vs all the others that are now out including the lasers? Doing this research is giving me a headache!
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From Alibaba right? Also, so you are happy with the Viewsonic PX800HD vs all the others that are now out including the lasers? Doing this research is giving me a headache!


Yeah I did a lot of research myself so I feel your pain. Actually I ordered directly from snowhite. I simply went to their website and used their instant chat service that prompted on their website to inquire about pricing and availability.

As far as the projector itself, It was “meh” when I first set it up. I thought it was a better buy just given the cost of laser models right now. After I set it up it seemed a little washed out and I thought it was simply just because of the lower lumens compared laser models. That was until I got the screen. It’s amazing the difference that having an actual UST made screen makes the difference. I couldn’t be happier with the combination now. The projector outputs plenty of light to the screen. And the contrasting colors are pretty amazing.


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Hi J Bone
Was just wondering what if you use a regular projector say benq HT3050 with this screen, will it improve picture quality significantly rather than a whiteout cloth?
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Was just wondering what if you use a regular projector say benq HT3050 with this screen, will it improve picture quality significantly rather than a whiteout cloth?


Negative. These type screens are made of lenticular material. Meaning they are specifically designed to accept and reflect light from a very sharp angle. And reject light from the opposite angle. So standard throw projectors would have their light diffused so the image would come out extremely washed out.
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ALR screen

Hey J Bone,
Thanks for the ALR info., I emailed them for a quote as I couldn't get the webpage to translate and load ( snowhitescreen.com).

So, previously I had thought of a DIY with Elite cinegray 3D (material is $119 retail), is this screen worth the extra cash...600% better? Does it reject only light from above or the sides as well? I'm assuming it does best with room lighting only as that's usually all overhead, windows at seating level probably less so, huh?

Also, can you confirm how close is your PX800HD to touching the wall?

Thanks for helping the rest of us muddle through this!

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Hey J Bone,
Thanks for the ALR info., I emailed them for a quote as I couldn't get the webpage to translate and load ( snowhitescreen.com).

So, previously I had thought of a DIY with Elite cinegray 3D (material is $119 retail), is this screen worth the extra cash...600% better? Does it reject only light from above or the sides as well? I'm assuming it does best with room lighting only as that's usually all overhead, windows at seating level probably less so, huh?

Also, can you confirm how close is your PX800HD to touching the wall?

Thanks for helping the rest of us muddle through this!
Yeah it is hard to say if it really does reject light from the sides. I actually have a pretty large living room window just to the right of it that has some light coming in and doesn't negatively impact the picture. And I'm in Arizona where there is never a cloud in the sky. Pic below...

Personally I think the price difference from a regular ALR screen to one specifically for an ultra short-throw projector is well worth it. I can't put my hands in your wallet and tell you that going from a 119 to 530 is worth it. My personal experience is it is for sure. But what I can tell you for certain is paying 530 as compared to the cheapest we'll known competition (Elite Screens CLR 999.99) that squeeze is worth the juice!

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Holy smokes! That picture is revealing...what an image in a well lit room. So, it sounds like to me you?re saying it?s hard to say if the ALR screen difference is worth $500, but it?ll make you?re projector look like it?s worth $3K! I actually just ordered a refurb from Viewsonic for a hefty discount...hopefully it will look good. I?ll show me it on the wall till after the Chinese New Year when I?ll order the Snowhite (XY screen right?)
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I contacted XY Screens and Snowhite Screens. They are two separate operating companies. I did receive a better price quote from Snowhite. Both companies seem to have the same framing and material packaged the exact same way. But yes, spending the extra on one of those two screens would be definitely worth the extra cost and wait time as compared to a normal ALR screen.


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I contacted XY Screens and Snowhite Screens. They are two separate operating companies. I did receive a better price quote from Snowhite. Both companies seem to have the same framing and material packaged the exact same way. But yes, spending the extra on one of those two screens would be definitely worth the extra cost and wait time as compared to a normal ALR screen.


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So I had a hiccup with Viewsonic and my refurb order was cancelled...I'm back to considering if this is the right pj. Anyone know if the Benq W1600UST ever materialized, and if so, was it worth a flip? My fear is the second I buy this that Benq, Optoma release new USTs and Epson revises its LS100 for better black levels...I'm a worrier, I know (in my defense this is for a weekend house which I already have a TV in so I'm not in a big hurry...just tired of agonizing over the decision and wanna get back to my life).
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Something that gets overlooked with this projector is replacement lamps are only $59. That really levels the playing field with LED and laser models. When combined with its low input lag that makes it the UST to beat IMO.
Do you have a part number for just the bulb...all I can find is the bulb+housing (RLC-107) which is $110 from Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/Amazing-Lamps...+px800hd+bulbs
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Do you have a part number for just the bulb...all I can find is the bulb+housing (RLC-107) which is $110 from Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/Amazing-Lamps...+px800hd+bulbs
I don't but the RLC-107 is $59 directly from Viewsonic:
https://www.viewsonic.com/parts/rlc-107.html

and $54 at B&H:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ..._lamp_for.html

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@J Bone ,
I was wondering if you see any color shift with the ALR screen (screenshot with the eye looks a little blue but I'm not familiar with the demo clip maybe its blueish) and I've heard the pj doesn't have a great deal of picture calibration controls...was wondering if you are able to tweak and get a relatively color neutral picture? Still happy with the screen and setup and any thoughts about what you'd do differently. Also, can you comment on the color and brightness modes...is the Brightest mode really as unusable as they say? (maybe just for daytime sports?)

I've learned enough "hard lessons" in life that I look for the opportunity to learn some easy ones...looking forward to your feedback. (I contacted Snowhite for a scree+shipping quote but they said the shipping company hasn't gotten back to them as of Friday, which is just as well as I'm a little indecisive).

@aerodynamics : Thanks for the link...crazy that Amazon is 200% more expensive than the manufacturer!

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@J Bone ,
I was wondering if you see any color shift with the ALR screen (screenshot with the eye looks a little blue but I'm not familiar with the demo clip maybe its blueish) and I've heard the pj doesn't have a great deal of picture calibration controls...was wondering if you are able to tweak and get a relatively color neutral picture? Still happy with the screen and setup and any thoughts about what you'd do differently. Also, can you comment on the color and brightness modes...is the Brightest mode really as unusable as they say? (maybe just for daytime sports?)

I've learned enough "hard lessons" in life that I look for the opportunity to learn some easy ones...looking forward to your feedback. (I contacted Snowhite for a scree+shipping quote but they said the shipping company hasn't gotten back to them as of Friday, which is just as well as I'm a little indecisive).

@aerodynamics : Thanks for the link...crazy that Amazon is 200% more expensive than the manufacturer!
Yeah I tried to mention it in a previous post that my camera on my phone was at fault for the constant blueish hues in all the images. I personally haven't messed around with any of the image settings. i have found the default settings for Movie and Rec 709 to be quite satisfactory for vivid yet accurate colors.

As far as brightness goes I have it set to Eco Mode simply because of the audible fan noise that Normal Mode projects. The Eco setting isn't ideal for high ambient light but the Snowhite screen does take of the majority of stray lighting so for the most part I have been extremely happy with it nonetheless.
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