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I think the difference between black 2150 and 2100 is very small. However, I will stay with the 2150 despite the fact that the wifi is weak. I want to have a calm mind when I watch the movie will not come to mind or to better choose a higher model
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I think the difference between black 2150 and 2100 is very small. However, I will stay with the 2150 despite the fact that the wifi is weak. I want to have a calm mind when I watch the movie will not come to mind or to better choose a higher model
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i have the 2150 (grabbed it when it was on sale a few weeks ago). sure, the black levels aren't out of this world, but i think they're damn good for the money. using the right screen gain for your room & projector settings goes a long way too.


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I bought the 2100 before the 2150 went on sale. Since this is a very bright projector, I only had space for a 105" screen, and this is in a white room, everything was working against me to make this picture work because it was so washed out. Ended up going with a 0.6 gain neutral Gray, painted my wall and put Carl's felt tape around it. This is the result.
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I bought the 2100 before the 2151 on sale. Since this is a very bright projector, I only had space for a 105" screen, and this is in a white room, everything was working against me to make this picture work because it was so washed out. Ended up going with a 0.6 gain neutral Gray, painted my wall and put Carl's felt tape around it. This is the result.
How far away is the projector from the screen?

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How far away is the projector from the screen?

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About 14 feet from lens to screen.
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About 14 feet from lens to screen.
Oh that's a good ways away. Is it washed out really bad? With that distance could you have gone bigger? I know You said 109 was your limit but Thats where mine will be on a 120inch screen.

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Oh that's a good ways away. Is it washed out really bad? With that distance could you have gone bigger? I know You said 109 was your limit but Thats where mine will be on a 120inch screen.

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it looks like his screen is literally wall to wall, so i don't think they could have gone any larger.


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it looks like his screen is literally wall to wall, so i don't think they could have gone any larger.
This is just a temporary set-up. When I move, I plan to have at least 120", maybe 140", but it also depends how deep the room is because that means I'm going to have to sit further back.

It's a very colorful projector. it just didn't have the greatest blacks and I had a real problem with light bouncing off the white walls, so that's why I went with a gray screen.

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Oh that's a good ways away. Is it washed out really bad? With that distance could you have gone bigger? I know You said 109 was your limit but Thats where mine will be on a 120inch screen.

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Stayed tuned. I am hoping to mount my 2150 this Sunday for some test viewing. I'm targeting a 120" screen from just about a throw of 15 ft.
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Stayed tuned. I am hoping to mount my 2150 this Sunday for some test viewing. I'm targeting a 120" screen from just about a throw of 15 ft.
Oh Nice. I mean the math works.

What screen did you get?

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Oh Nice. I mean the math works.

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I went the DIY route, white over black spandex for an acoustically transparent screen. My only unknown is if I'll be able to roll in eco mode or if that will be too dim at that throw distance, assuming a screen gain of .6-7. It'll be a light controlled environment, so I should be fine in eco. FL numbers are just on the edge so we'll see.
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I went the DIY route, white over black spandex for an acoustically transparent screen. My only unknown is if I'll be able to roll in eco mode or if that will be too dim at that throw distance, assuming a screen gain of .6-7. It'll be a light controlled environment, so I should be fine in eco. FL numbers are just on the edge so we'll see.
Interesting. Let us know how it goes. I bought a Elunevison Reference 4k Tab Tension. On paper it seems like it's gonna be sweet. God I hope so

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I went the DIY route, white over black spandex for an acoustically transparent screen. My only unknown is if I'll be able to roll in eco mode or if that will be too dim at that throw distance, assuming a screen gain of .6-7. It'll be a light controlled environment, so I should be fine in eco. FL numbers are just on the edge so we'll see.
i'll be real. eco is great for most content, but for the good stuff the extra pop you get from normal mode lamp brightness is noticeable and worth it.


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Does anyone here know how to use The Tint and RGB cmy controls? I was playing around with them on a grayscale test and it wasn't doing anything. Are they locked in certain modes?

Edit - custom color temp does what I needed it to but I find it strange that the above-mentioned controls didn't do anything.

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I bought the 2100 before the 2150 went on sale. Since this is a very bright projector, I only had space for a 105" screen, and this is in a white room, everything was working against me to make this picture work because it was so washed out. Ended up going with a 0.6 gain neutral Gray, painted my wall and put Carl's felt tape around it. This is the result.
Hey!! I'm strongly considering picking this up. And right now in Canada it's $100 off while the 2150 is full price (almost $200 more). So if the contrast is an incremental upgrade as seems to be the case, I'm definitely leaning toward the 2100.

Are you happy with it?

I've ordered a Silver Ticket grey 1.0 gain screen and am digging this one because it seems to be a good choice in terms of brightness to balance my daytime and nighttime use.

So excited to upgrade from my 2009 Benq w600+ 720p projector.
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Here's another question for owners of either model... do you use this for gaming and do you feel any noticeable input lag?

Edit: Amazon reviews suggest this is not a problem.

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I ordered a 2100!! The return policy is generous, so in the unlikely event that it fails to impress I can always bring it back. But I'll be doing my best not to mentally compare it with the hypothetical 2150. In Canada the 2100 is $300 less right now at $899 CAD (v.s. $1199 for 2150), which is a big motivator.

Should arrive in 3-7 days. I'll post impressions here, but take them with a grain of salt as I'm upgrading from an eight-year-old BenQ w600+ (720p).

Edit: This is so sad... right around when I was searching for a new projector, my w600+ started showing a white pixel. Today I ordered the 2100, and another white pixel appeared. Apparently my DMD chip is failing (maybe pushed over the edge by hot air circulating as winter sets in). As this progresses I'm told that you end up with an effect that looks like space with all of the stars. This projector and I have been through some good times *sniff*. Now it seems it's going back into the universe as this new one comes in. =( Someone hold me!

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Just brought this 10 days ago from Best Buy when the price was 699. I had 55 in reward certificates so used them towards this purchase, making it 684 with taxes. I am fairly new to the projection world but i'll list my impressions here.

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A month ago, I purchased the Optoma GT1080 Darbee from Amazon. I had a fairly small room 15' x 10' so thought a short throw would be nice. The Optoma was good but after 20 days of using it I felt that the image color wasn't accurate and i somehow felt it wasn't worth the 749 price. The 3300 ANSI lumen rating on that thing is a real joke as it's nowhere near that. Beside i couldn't get a great color reproduction in any of the color modes. It didn't have lens shift or manual zoom so setting it up was a real pain. But the short throw was really nice, it came with a nice carrying bag and the remote was backlit, also the projector was light and compact so carrying it would be easier so those were the few things I liked about it. I returned it and started the hunt again. Next I considered the Epson HC2040 for 599 and the BenQ HT2050 which was 699. I almost went with the BenQ HT2050 after reading multiple reviews everywhere where everyone praised the HT2050. But somehow I found the HC2150 and saw that it was on sale at that time for 699 and besides the cheaper $49 really tempted me. I decide to give it a shot.

The moment i turned on the HT2150 I realized that the projected image was way brighter and sharper than the Optoma GT1080 Darbee. The HC2150 is in a completely different league altogether. The colors were bright, vivid and it simply put up a great picture. My room is dark and even in Eco lamp mode with Natural setting, I found the brightness to be high. I turned down the brightness but noticed that in dark scenes, the black detail was getting washed out. So decreasing brightness wasn't really an option and I am using the default settings. Overall, I would say the HC2150 is well worth the money. The blacks may not be perfect but I found it to be completely acceptable. At the 699 sale price and the $49 replacement lamp, I would say it's a steal. Some of the features i really liked on this were
i) Built in lens cover, where you just slide a button at the top to protect the lens
ii) Vertical lens shift while it's not much it moves the image by a significant amount
iii) Manual zoom of 1.6x there's a slider at the top where you can zoom the image rather than having to move the projector backward
iv) Lot of features for the price, i haven't tested the wireless features yet. There's also a split screen mode
v) Great remote with all the buttons for easy access
vi) Have a BT portable speaker connected via Aux cable to the projector so it's nice to be able to control the speaker volume levels using remote, they are in sync. The Optoma didn't have this.
Cons
i) It gets very hot in Eco mode after using it for few minutes, not sure if this is the case with all projectors so please excuse me here
ii) The fan gets noisy and loud sometimes, i am always using it in Eco mode but still noticed it
iii) No way to decrease brightness without losing picture quality. I wish someone could help me here
iv) Wish the remote was backlit

I have a 84' 1.1 gain screen that I purchased from Amazon (Excel van). I am not sure if this is a defect with the projector but I noticed that while using my computer via HDMI or when projecting a plain white background the left portion is not white. Not sure if you can make it out from the picture attached.

Also any HC2150 owners if you could share some input regarding the optimal image settings, I would really appreciate it. Thanks
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Just brought this 10 days ago from Best Buy when the price was 699. I had 55 in reward certificates so used them towards this purchase, making it 684 with taxes. I am fairly new to the projection world but i'll list my impressions here.

Background:

A month ago, I purchased the Optoma GT1080 Darbee from Amazon. I had a fairly small room 15' x 10' so thought a short throw would be nice. The Optoma was good but after 20 days of using it I felt that the image color wasn't accurate and i somehow felt it wasn't worth the 749 price. The 3300 ANSI lumen rating on that thing is a real joke as it's nowhere near that. Beside i couldn't get a great color reproduction in any of the color modes. It didn't have lens shift or manual zoom so setting it up was a real pain. But the short throw was really nice, it came with a nice carrying bag and the remote was backlit, also the projector was light and compact so carrying it would be easier so those were the few things I liked about it. I returned it and started the hunt again. Next I considered the Epson HC2040 for 599 and the BenQ HT2050 which was 699. I almost went with the BenQ HT2050 after reading multiple reviews everywhere where everyone praised the HT2050. But somehow I found the HC2150 and saw that it was on sale at that time for 699 and besides the cheaper $49 really tempted me. I decide to give it a shot.

The moment i turned on the HT2150 I realized that the projected image was way brighter and sharper than the Optoma GT1080 Darbee. The HC2150 is in a completely different league altogether. The colors were bright, vivid and it simply put up a great picture. My room is dark and even in Eco lamp mode with Natural setting, I found the brightness to be high. I turned down the brightness but noticed that in dark scenes, the black detail was getting washed out. So decreasing brightness wasn't really an option and I am using the default settings. Overall, I would say the HC2150 is well worth the money. The blacks may not be perfect but I found it to be completely acceptable. At the 699 sale price and the $49 replacement lamp, I would say it's a steal. Some of the features i really liked on this were
i) Built in lens cover, where you just slide a button at the top to protect the lens
ii) Vertical lens shift while it's not much it moves the image by a significant amount
iii) Manual zoom of 1.6x there's a slider at the top where you can zoom the image rather than having to move the projector backward
iv) Lot of features for the price, i haven't tested the wireless features yet. There's also a split screen mode
v) Great remote with all the buttons for easy access
vi) Have a BT portable speaker connected via Aux cable to the projector so it's nice to be able to control the speaker volume levels using remote, they are in sync. The Optoma didn't have this.
Cons
i) It gets very hot in Eco mode after using it for few minutes, not sure if this is the case with all projectors so please excuse me here
ii) The fan gets noisy and loud sometimes, i am always using it in Eco mode but still noticed it
iii) No way to decrease brightness without losing picture quality. I wish someone could help me here
iv) Wish the remote was backlit

I have a 84' 1.1 gain screen that I purchased from Amazon (Excel van). I am not sure if this is a defect with the projector but I noticed that while using my computer via HDMI or when projecting a plain white background the left portion is not white. Not sure if you can make it out from the picture attached.

Also any HC2150 owners if you could share some input regarding the optimal image settings, I would really appreciate it. Thanks
Thanks for your review and welcome!

I think it's normal to hear the fan, but your perception of it being noisy plus the heat coming from the unit makes me wonder. How warm is the room you're in?

How far away from the screen is your projector? I'm thinking that the HC 2150 'squeezed down' into 84" and on a 1.1. gain screen might be contributing to what you're experiencing as intense brightness. I'm not a projector pro, but from the research I've done here's what's at play:

As you focus the projector beam into a smaller area, that area reflects more light per square foot. Check out Projector Central's projection calculator. You should see a number called 'FL' or 'foot lamberts' which shows that light 'density' for lack of a better term.

The gain on the screen is basically how reflective it is. I believe 1.0 is the standard, and anything above that is intended to reflect a bit more light - usually to deal with ambient light in the room. Darker rooms, or light 'controlled' rooms as you'll hear them referred to as, tend to require less gain. Higher gain and brightness can actually work against you in that case because of light reflecting off the walls etc. Then gains lower than 1.0 absorb more light.

Check out the projection calculator and, if you can, experiment with moving your projector closer and further away to get a feel for what happens to the brightness of the image as it gets bigger/smaller.
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Thanks for your review and welcome!

I think it's normal to hear the fan, but your perception of it being noisy plus the heat coming from the unit makes me wonder. How warm is the room you're in?

How far away from the screen is your projector? I'm thinking that the HC 2150 'squeezed down' into 84" and on a 1.1. gain screen might be contributing to what you're experiencing as intense brightness. I'm not a projector pro, but from the research I've done here's what's at play:

As you focus the projector beam into a smaller area, that area reflects more light per square foot. Check out Projector Central's projection calculator. You should see a number called 'FL' or 'foot lamberts' which shows that light 'density' for lack of a better term.

The gain on the screen is basically how reflective it is. I believe 1.0 is the standard, and anything above that is intended to reflect a bit more light - usually to deal with ambient light in the room. Darker rooms, or light 'controlled' rooms as you'll hear them referred to as, tend to require less gain. Higher gain and brightness can actually work against you in that case because of light reflecting off the walls etc. Then gains lower than 1.0 absorb more light.

Check out the projection calculator and, if you can, experiment with moving your projector closer and further away to get a feel for what happens to the brightness of the image as it gets bigger/smaller.
I placed the projector at about 9 ft away from the screen. I had to zoom it a little bit to get it fit 84 inch screen. The non-uniform white background concerns me a little bit.

The fan noise and heat is not much of a con really, I think I only notice it because I sit so close to the projector. The fan noise is usually drowned by the speaker audio so I don't really care about it. My room is not warm, I live in Michigan it's already cold outside. But just want to point out that these 2 things shouldn't prevent anyone from buying this projector. Make no mistake, the HC2150 is a fantastic product and I feel it's money well spent.
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I placed the projector at about 9 ft away from the screen. I had to zoom it a little bit to get it fit 84 inch screen. The non-uniform white background concerns me a little bit.

The fan noise and heat is not much of a con really, I think I only notice it because I sit so close to the projector. The fan noise is usually drowned by the speaker audio so I don't really care about it. My room is not warm, I live in Michigan it's already cold outside. But just want to point out that these 2 things shouldn't prevent anyone from buying this projector. Make no mistake, the HC2150 is a fantastic product and I feel it's money well spent.
Is this what you're experiencing? It seems sometimes there's some inconsistency in the three LCD panels in Epson projectors:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-dig...our-issue.html

If you're still under warranty, maybe you can get some pics of it and show Epson customer support.
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Thanks for the link. Yeah seems like I am experiencing a similar issue. It really isn't noticeable except when you have plain white being projected onto the screen. Mine is still under the Best Buy return period, so hopefully I can get it exchanged with a new one.
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Hey!! I'm strongly considering picking this up. And right now in Canada it's $100 off while the 2150 is full price (almost $200 more). So if the contrast is an incremental upgrade as seems to be the case, I'm definitely leaning toward the 2100.

Are you happy with it?

I've ordered a Silver Ticket grey 1.0 gain screen and am digging this one because it seems to be a good choice in terms of brightness to balance my daytime and nighttime use.

So excited to upgrade from my 2009 Benq w600+ 720p projector.
I only just finished my diy screen and some basic calibration. I'm still not used to how it looks, and I'm spoiled by the picture quality of super vivid 4K TVs. Even with a 0.6 gain screen, I'm still having trouble with blacks, but it really depends on the source material. Yesterday I watched Timecop and that is a super dark movie and it looked terrible until I cranked the brightness. I watched Predator tonight, which is still a dark movie, but I didn't have as many times where I was looking at the blacks and saying I wish they were darker. Once I saw the detail in the faces and how the leaves looked in the jungle, I didn't care as much about the blacks. I would imagine if I watched something like Avatar, which is vibrant looking with amazing 3D, I'd probably be blown away. I just don't like that movie lol.

About the non-uniform white background, I thought that was caused by ambient light? For me the left side of the screen is bluer and the right side of the screen is more red. But it's not that noticeable because you rarely ever see a full white screen in a movie.

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I only just finished my diy screen and some basic calibration. I'm still not used to how it looks, and I'm spoiled by the picture quality of super vivid 4K TVs. Even with a 0.6 gain screen, I'm still having trouble with blacks, but it really depends on the source material. Yesterday I watched Timecop and that is a super dark movie and it looked terrible until I cranked the brightness. I watched Predator tonight, which is still a dark movie, but I didn't have as many times where I was looking at the blacks and saying I wish they were darker. Once I saw the detail in the faces and how the leaves looked in the jungle, I didn't care as much about the blacks. I would imagine if I watched something like Avatar, which is vibrant looking with amazing 3D, I'd probably be blown away. I just don't like that movie lol.

About the non-uniform white background, I thought that was caused by ambient light? For me the left side of the screen is bluer and the right side of the screen is more red. But it's not that noticeable because you rarely ever see a full white screen in a movie.
I don't think ambient light is causing it. I have a very dark room and I can still see it. Interesting because i have the same thing as mentioned by you except that mine is inverted. The left side of screen is more red whereas the right side is bluer. I am projecting from a table, is your projector mounted from the ceiling? And I agree, it's not that noticeable unless a full white screen is projected.
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I only just finished my diy screen and some basic calibration. I'm still not used to how it looks, and I'm spoiled by the picture quality of super vivid 4K TVs. Even with a 0.6 gain screen, I'm still having trouble with blacks, but it really depends on the source material. Yesterday I watched Timecop and that is a super dark movie and it looked terrible until I cranked the brightness. I watched Predator tonight, which is still a dark movie, but I didn't have as many times where I was looking at the blacks and saying I wish they were darker. Once I saw the detail in the faces and how the leaves looked in the jungle, I didn't care as much about the blacks. I would imagine if I watched something like Avatar, which is vibrant looking with amazing 3D, I'd probably be blown away. I just don't like that movie lol.

About the non-uniform white background, I thought that was caused by ambient light? For me the left side of the screen is bluer and the right side of the screen is more red. But it's not that noticeable because you rarely ever see a full white screen in a movie.
I think you'll definitely adapt to the black levels. I had a Visio P series briefly and its full-array local dimming did a good job of making the black parts look super black. It had its own issues though with bright scenes showing vertical bands where the backlights were. Even my 2009 BenQ w600+ was ultimately preferable to the slew of issues with LED TVs, so I'm expecting this Epson to feel like a huge step up from that baseline. OLEDs aren't much better as they suffer from image retention which I'd personally find way more frustrating than white scenes having that tint to them.

I wonder how the 2150 would perform on a black screen. Those have no problems with blacks, as you can imagine, and the 2150 might be bright enough to show decent colour/bright scenes.
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I don't think ambient light is causing it. I have a very dark room and I can still see it. Interesting because i have the same thing as mentioned by you except that mine is inverted. The left side of screen is more red whereas the right side is bluer. I am projecting from a table, is your projector mounted from the ceiling? And I agree, it's not that noticeable unless a full white screen is projected.
Yes my projector is inverted. I wonder if I returned the projector to Epson that they'd be able to fix it or replacement they sent me wouldn't have this problem... It doesn't super bother me.

I took a picture and it doesn't look as bad as I thought it did. The blue is more prevalent.
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Yes my projector is inverted. I wonder if I returned the projector to Epson that they'd be able to fix it or replacement they sent me wouldn't have this problem... It doesn't super bother me.

I took a picture and it doesn't look as bad as I thought it did. The blue is more prevalent.
It looks very subtle in the screenshots.. at least on my screen. Do you have to look hard to see it like I do, or is it more obvious in person?
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the bottom line is people spend thousands (and tens of thousands) on projectors because they're chasing inky blacks & punchy contrast. for what the 2150 costs it's amazing that it offers the picture quality that it does. personally, i bought it to hold me over until either the next big jump in affordable tech happens, or i'll just buy a higher end epson or jvc if that doesn't happen in a year or two. most content looks wonderful on the 2150, but yes if you're watching a mostly dark movie you're probably not going to have a great time. you get what you pay for.

also, someone mentioned they're running the projector at ~9' away from the screen? yeah that's probably way too close and the extra brightness is going to exaggerate bad black levels. i'm ~12' away on a 110" screen @ 1.0 gain and black levels are mostly acceptable. but even i'm considering moving the projector further back to reduce the relative brightness.


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