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Official Epson Home Cinema HC2100/2150 (TW5600/5650/5400) Owners

I don't know if this belongs here or if i can start a official thread but i will give it a shot. Just picked this projector up last night at Bestbuy. I'll post the two pics i took last night and do a review once i get my new EluneVision Reference Studio 4K Tab‑Tensioned Motorized Motorized Projection Screen (110V) ‑ Matte black screen. By just the little bit of Netflix i watched projected on the wall looked sweet. Detailed and sharp. Colors are a bit off because the wall is tan or top colored.

Let me know if you have any questions about it and i will help if i can.






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Good idea to start an official owners thread for the 2150. Might as well include a link to the 2150 announcement thread, which includes a lot of preliminary discussion and early reports:

avsforum.com/forum/68-digital-projectors-under-3-000-usd-msrp/2914058-epson-home-cinema-2100-2150-hd-projectors-announced.html
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[QUOTE=Dave in Green;55060460]Good idea to start an official owners thread for the 2150. Might as well include a link to the 2150 announcement thread, which includes a lot of preliminary discussion and early reports:

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Thanks for putting that link there. Yea i didn't see one so i said let's do it. Would love to see what other owners think.


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Still need to buy a mount. So if there are other owners of this out there that may have a recommendation that would be sweet.

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At halftime time of the skins game I'm going to hook up this projector in the living room and see how it does.

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Edit. Here it is. On the same color wall as the basement.

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Still need to buy a mount. So if there are other owners of this out there that may have a recommendation that would be sweet.

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I bought the Epson Universal Mount. It worked perfectly. I ended up ordering a white 12" extension pole as well since my screen is mounted below a soffit. Very sturdy mount - easy to get exactly level.

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If we have to abandon the old thread, may I suggest to change the title of this discussion as follows, to include all models and countries?

Official Epson Home Cinema HC2100/2150 (TW5600/5650/5400) Owners
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If we have to abandon the old thread, may I suggest to change the title of this discussion as follows, to include all models and countries?

Official Epson Home Cinema HC2100/2150 (TW5600/5650/5400) Owners
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I may put this in my living room. Then buy the Sony 45es for the basement. I loved the way it looked yesterday and that was on the wall.

Will need ALR screen. I have a OLEDB7 right now and the soft 1080i and 720p is driving me crazy.. 4k is of course amazing but sports takes a hit. Decisions, Decisions...

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Thanks I will copy and paste all comparisons and contrast tests here....


TW5650/HC2150 review...
http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...son-eh-tw5650/
Discussion...
http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...test-en-cours/




TW6700/HC3700
http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...son-eh-tw6700/




TW5400/n.a.
http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...son-eh-tw5400/




TW5350/HC2045
http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...son-eh-tw5350/
Excerpt about the contrast of the TW5350/2045:
Le contraste natif de nouvel EPSON est vraiment trop bas avec une mesure de 518:1, la mesure augmente avec le premier niveau de l’iris dynamique pour passer à un petit 1095:1 et enfin culmine à 7267:1 avec le mode rapide (rappelons toutefois que ces deux dernières sélections s’accompagnent d’une baisse visible de la luminosité à l’image quand le dispositif s’active).
The native contrast of the new EPSON is really too low with a measure of 518:1, the measure will rise with the first level of dynamic iris to a small 1095:1 and 7267:1 with fast mode (remember however that these last two) selections are accompanied by a decrease in visible light to the image when the device is activated).

The native contrast of the new TW5650/HC2150 is >3x than the TW5350/2045!!!

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Projectorcentral.com's HC 2150 review is now up but I find it disappointing as it's another shootout format. The bulk of the review is comparing the 2150 with Optoma HD39Darbee. As with their recent shootout between the BenQ HT1070A vs. Epson HC 1060 the final thoughts are that the Epson 3LCD has the advantage in ambient light and the BenQ DLP has the advantage in the dark. We already know this is going to be the case in every <$1,000 3LCD vs. DLP model shootout so it's really not useful to keep repeating it.

With this new shootout type of review there is much less specific commentary about the performance of each individual model. I hope this shootout style doesn't become the new norm at projectorcentral.com as it makes it more difficult to understand how each individual model is going to perform. It looks as if we will have to rely more on projectorreviews.com and other reviewers to understand more fine details about the 2150.
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Projectorcentral.com's HC 2150 review is now up but I find it disappointing as it's another shootout format. The bulk of the review is comparing the 2150 with Optoma HD39Darbee. As with their recent shootout between the BenQ HT1070A vs. Epson HC 1060 the final thoughts are that the Epson 3LCD has the advantage in ambient light and the BenQ DLP has the advantage in the dark. We already know this is going to be the case in every <$1,000 3LCD vs. DLP model shootout so it's really not useful to keep repeating it.

With this new shootout type of review there is much less specific commentary about the performance of each individual model. I hope this shootout style doesn't become the new norm at projectorcentral.com as it makes it more difficult to understand how each individual model is going to perform. It looks as if we will have to rely more on projectorreviews.com and other reviewers to understand more fine details about the 2150.
Yea. I just read it and your right, the comparisons are annoying. If your in a dark room the optoma is better. In a more lighted area the Epson is better....
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I dont know, i just dont trust projector central for their reviews anymore. IIRC they did comparison between w1070, tw5300(hc2040) and hd26(141x) and they stated that optoma has the deepest black level and highest contrast which is definitely not the case. W1070 has double the on/off and ansi contrast compared those two. Somehow i doubt hd39 has higher contrast even without iris active on the HC2150. Im gonna need some hard numbers first. HD39 darbee seems to be RGBCYW dlp pj similar to hd29darbee which falls so short compared to ht2050/ht3050. According to projectionhomecinema fr review hc2150 rivals ht2050/ht3050. Im looking forward to seeing proper hd39darbee review, but i remain skeptical until i do. Hoping to be suprised though.

edit: i actually remembered the comparison wrong. It was sub 1000 dollar shootout, benq ht3050/ht2050 vs optoma hd28dse vs epson hc2040 vs Viewsonic PJD7835HD. They actually stated that hd28dse has highest contrast out of those and it was noticeable while viewing. Its not, ht2050/ht3050 has higher measured contrast.

Here is the comparison im talking about. http://www.projectorcentral.com/home-theater-projectors-under-$1000.htm?page=Optoma-HD28DSE

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The review does not answer the question many of us had. How does the 2150 compare with the 3100/3700? I waited for so long. Anyway, I am now the owner of a 3700 and I am not looking back. Cheers!!!
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The review does not answer the question many of us had. How does the 2150 compare with the 3100/3700? I waited for so long. Anyway, I am now the owner of a 3700 and I am not looking back. Cheers!!!
Ha. Now I really want to know how the 3700 compares..



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Aren't the contrast tests and reviews in my post above enough?

The main question now is how the hc2100/tw5600, and the tw5400 shorter throw model, compare to the hc2150/tw5650, waiting for good reviews with tests, first and foremost native contrast tests, with true numbers, otherwise they are useless.
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Aren't the contrast tests and reviews in my post above enough?

The main question now is how the hc2100/tw5600, and the tw5400 shorter throw model, compare to the hc2150/tw5650, waiting for good reviews with tests, first and foremost native contrast tests, with true numbers, otherwise they are useless.
Sorta

Im just curious in real world side by side. The 3700 seems to be a better projector for the living room since it's so bright.

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The review does not answer the question many of us had. How does the 2150 compare with the 3100/3700? I waited for so long. Anyway, I am now the owner of a 3700 and I am not looking back. Cheers!!!
Is your 3700 in a darkened home theater? Or is there ambient light? Do you have a screen?

I'm asking because I'm thinking of buying that for my living room.

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My 3700 is in a home theatre. We watch movies in the dark, and sports with lots of lights on. The room is also occasionally used for small group events by rearranging the seats, and with video and discussion with a lot of ambient light. The screen is a remote pull-down screen, at 120 inch diagonal, with the 3700 mounted to the ceiling, about 16 feet from the screen.
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My 3700 is in a home theatre. We watch movies in the dark, and sports with lots of lights on. The room is also occasionally used for small group events by rearranging the seats, and with video and discussion with a lot of ambient light. The screen is a remote pull-down screen, at 120 inch diagonal, with the 3700 mounted to the ceiling, about 16 feet from the screen.
Cool. Thanks.

I was either going with that 3700 or the 2150 in the living room. With a ALR screen. Then get the Sony 45es for the home theater.

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Seems like everyone is mostly pumped about the 2150, seeing as it was out of stock at Amazon, but I went with the 2100 because I couldn't wait. This projector was my first, and admittedly a bit of an impulse buy. One day shipping for the freaking win! My dream is now complete: my bedroom now doubles as a movie theater for my classic movies on bluray.

The picture is obviously gorgeous, and, judging from what I've seen, I don't think I would've noticed that much of a difference going with the 2150 instead, but if for some reason someone had both it would be cool to know how they compare, specifically regarding black levels. The 2100's seem pretty good, but then I don't have much of a frame of reference.
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I bought a 2150 Wednesday night to replace my 3020 that needed a new bulb. I can't put into words how much better the picture is with the 2150 than the 3020. Everything is better. I was skeptical at first due to the small size but it is like night and day. My wife commented on the clarity of the picture as soon as it lit up. My room is not light controlled at all. We watch almost all our TV through the projector. On Eco it overcomes the ambient light effortlessly. Contrast is much better than the 3020 as well.
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I bought a 2150 Wednesday night to replace my 3020 that needed a new bulb. I can't put into words how much better the picture is with the 2150 than the 3020. Everything is better. I was skeptical at first due to the small size but it is like night and day. My wife commented on the clarity of the picture as soon as it lit up. My room is not light controlled at all. We watch almost all our TV through the projector. On Eco it overcomes the ambient light effortlessly. Contrast is much better than the 3020 as well.
Yea man this projector is awesome. For the price its amazing. About to use this as my living room TV.

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Yea man this projector is awesome. For the price its amazing. About to use this as my living room TV.

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Didn't get to use this in my living room. I had to keep my LG OLED. But I just order a 120 Elunevison Reference 4k tab tension. Can't wait

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Don't get too spoiled with Bright Cinema, even after a quick calibration of Brightness and Contrast, I found it a bit too bright, even with a tiny bit of clipping. It does look vibrant and I would only use it when all my Windows are open with light pouring in. However, with Cinema calibrated, it just looks right whether you have a dark or light room. My first few days I was not used to the dim colors Cinema produced, but after the screen installation and a bit of calibration, Cinema is very nice. BTW, I was using a wall, so the effect of muted colors was more evident.

Great projector so far. So pumped I got this for the $699 deal, along with a 24' Rocketfish HDMI cable that I scored 75% off for, for only $25, when buying an Epson projector at Best Buy.

Can't wait to dial this thing in more and get a better picture. My first movie I checked out was Guardians of the Galaxy 2, which has a whole wealth of colors to gaze at. Looks great on Bright Cinema, but again, a calibrated Cinema mode looks fantastic, and I no longer want to use the projector in full power mode.

As mentioned in another post, the problem with Bright Cinema, or Full Power, is the NOISE. It is way too loud in this mode, so this was part of the reason why I wanted to make Eco work to my advantage.
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Epson HC2150(TW5650) vs. HC2100(TW5600)
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You really can tell the difference in contrast. The 2150 looks awesome. Cant wait to get my screen this week!!!

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I am curious to know where you see any difference....
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I am curious to know where you see any difference....
It's mostly shadow detail and the blacks are darker. It's easier to notice in certain sections than in others. It's small but there.

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It's mostly shadow detail and the blacks are darker. It's easier to notice in certain sections than in others. It's small but there.

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Maybe, I don't pretend to judge for others but IMHO the differences are absolutely minimal, see the black comparison on the scene at 55s, and probably due to the camera of the two parts of the screen or two recordings, I don't know how it was made. In theory the hc2150 has twice dynamic contrast than the hc2100, 64k vs 32k, and this video has been recorded with auto iris on the highest level and performance on both projectors (we should try auto iris disabled instead for the native contrast) so a difference may exist, however such a small difference in black level mainly on dark scenes is totally insufficient to support the rumors about the alleged different color filters on the two models, and may be due to the camera itself, or to the auto iris performance, so in my humble opinion they have the same hardware and the more efficient autoiris on the hc2150 doesn't justify the cost of +100€ (on 900-1000€) for the European or Asian version tw5650 for people with limited budgets, also considering that we haven't had the equivalent offer of 699$ here!

And the difference, even if true, not a camera effect, is nothing compared to real difference between the old epson tw2040 and the new models or a benq 1070 in this example....


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