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5040UB sharper than UHD65?

I am little confused. I read that article on Projector central about comparison bettween 5040UB and UHD65. It was wrtten:
"Image Sharpness. With all three types of input, there's a small difference in image sharpness in the HC 5040UB's favor. However, the details and impact on overall quality vary from most important at 1080p to least important at 4K with HDR."

I read on some other place that UHD65 have sharper image compared to 5040UB. So what is the truth now? Which projector have sharper image which looks like real 4k?

http://www.projectorcentral.com/Epso...D65-review.htm
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No. The 5040UB is not even close in visual sharpness and detail to the UHD65. The 5040 looks quite soft when compared side by side with the UHD65. The PC review is an outlier. Virtually everyone who has seen them side by side will tell you the 65 is the clear winner in detail.

There are several You Tube videos that demonstrate the difference. Go check them out for yourself.

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Actually I don't find any comparison videos on YouTube.
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Hi i just found this
Epson Pro Cinema 4040 vs Optoma UHD65 4K

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Well the 5040 has much better contrast so for most content, it is likely true that the 5040 will have more pop and look better. Where the Optoma will have a slight advantage is with 4K material. But for the vast majority of content the 5040 should be superior.
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Epson Pro Cinema 4040 vs Optoma UHD65 4K
Kinda apples and oranges though as the 5040 will have superior contrast to the 4040.
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I am little confused. I read that article on Projector central about comparison bettween 5040UB and UHD65. It was wrtten:
"Image Sharpness. With all three types of input, there's a small difference in image sharpness in the HC 5040UB's favor. However, the details and impact on overall quality vary from most important at 1080p to least important at 4K with HDR."

I read on some other place that UHD65 have sharper image compared to 5040UB. So what is the truth now? Which projector have sharper image which looks like real 4k?

http://www.projectorcentral.com/Epso...D65-review.htm
The 5040UB is very soft compared to the UHD65. Not even close. The 5040UB, while it has a 4K mode, for the most part just removes screen door effect with that mode - there appears little real resolution gained. For some reason, unlike JVC, Epson does not seem to reach the ~3K potential or gain any real detail by shifting its native 2K panel. Not sure if it's Epson's algorithm, lens, alignment, or some combination of these - JVC does much better with the same resolution panel.

The Optoma UHD65 looks extremely sharp with 4K content, similar to Sony's 4K projectors. The lens uniformity may not be perfect in all samples with some brightness falloff at corners, but that will vary from unit to unit.

The 5040UB is so soft, I'd say even a cheap 1080p DLP like the BenQ HT2050 is sharper.

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Ahh, no, yes, no.

I've had both for two weeks. The 5040UB has some enhancement modes, and a color alignment feature that most people don't know about or explore. When the panels are aligned properly and the enhancement on, it's a very nice image. The 4k enhancement, however, is only good if you feed it bluray 1080p or 4K material. There is some softness between pixels, which reduces the screen-door effect. 1080p cable fed to the 5040UB is somewhat soft, but that's a problem with the input. As for the Optoma UHD65, it too has an alignment feature and some pixel enhancement. It also handles cable input better. It is the clear winner since it actually addresses 8.3 meg pixels, whereas the 5040UB addresses 4 meg pixels. If the colors are not aligned, there is fuzziness between the pixels as well. The reason you might want the 5040UB is the lack of rainbows and 3D (although it has known crosstalk issues). I sent both back when I realized there just wasn't enough 4K material out there to make it worthwhile, and I want good 3D as well as 4K--at a reasonable price(which appears to be promised with the new set of DLP projectors using the .47 TI chip). I also would add that the 5040UB is a heavy monster and a real challenge if you hang on the ceiling. The UHD65 is slightly smaller, but heavy as well, but not as intrusive looking.
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Anyone tested gaming in this two projectors? I heard on some other forum that Epson doesn't have 18gb HDMI (so no [email protected]) so because of that it should we worse for gaming than new 4K Optomas.
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Anyone tested gaming in this two projectors? I heard on some other forum that Epson doesn't have 18gb HDMI (so no [email protected]) so because of that it should we worse for gaming than new 4K Optomas.
The input lag is a bit high on the Optoma UHD65 for gaming.

However, the Vivitek HK2288/HK2299 or Optoma UHD60 both have decent (~50ms) input lag. These three all support the full 18GB HDMI 4:4:4 60hz. I would give the nod to the Viviteks over the UHD60.

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Anyone tested gaming in this two projectors? I heard on some other forum that Epson doesn't have 18gb HDMI (so no [email protected]) so because of that it should we worse for gaming than new 4K Optomas.
I and others use the UHD65 with COD:WW2 and Forza 7. I cannot detect a hint of lag. None. Nada. As I said on another thread, I may be clueless as to what I am missing, but I cannot for the life of me see any lag what so ever. I know the numbers predict otherwise but damn I cannot see any lag at all!

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I and others use the UHD65 with COD:WW2 and Forza 7. I cannot detect a hint of lag. None. Nada. As I said on another thread, I may be clueless as to what I am missing, but I cannot for the life of me see any lag what so ever. I know the numbers predict otherwise but damn I cannot see any lag at all!
The easiest way to test for input lag's effects is to play an old NES game like Super Mario Bros, or various old arcade games available on consoles. On these you will probably find it a bit less responsive on the UHD65, meaning when you press the button to jump it seems ever so slightly sluggish before the game responds. Newer games, lag is not as noticeable - although still remains important for competitive FPS games where you need twitch reaction times. Lag around 50ms is generally acceptable for most for gaming (around 3 frames at 60fps) - the UHD65 is around 82ms if I recall, which is still very playable but not ideal for some.

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I sent both back when I realized there just wasn't enough 4K material out there to make it worthwhile, and I want good 3D as well as 4K--at a reasonable price(which appears to be promised with the new set of DLP projectors using the .47 TI chip).
Just when I think I have figured out what to buy...

Bob,
what would you do in the near term for a projector while waiting for the new batch of projectors using the .47 TI chip? Screen is a Seymour AV 105, HT is a Denon x4300 all new build...

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Just when I think I have figured out what to buy...

Bob,
what would you do in the near term for a projector while waiting for the new batch of projectors using the .47 TI chip? Screen is a Seymour AV 105, HT is a Denon x4300 all new build...

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Worth keeping in mind the 0.47" TI chip will very most likely have worse results with 4K UHD than the 0.66" chip. Only reason to go for it is lower price or if you want 3D and cant wait for new 0.66" models with 3D.
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Does UHD550X also have 18GB HDMI? Optoma say that this model is even better for gaming than UHD60 and UHD65. So I am more leaning to this model.
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Ordered a uhd60 and wasnt super happy with the image, while it was super sharp. I sent it back and gave the 5040 a try and still currently have it. Tried 3d and am having i believe crosstalk issues. Ive never seen perfect 3d so i dont know what to compare it to. but its definitely distracting to watch. I have a couple weeks left to be able to return to amazon. Im at a loss on what to try next. Coming from a benq 1080st. while i enjoy the upgrade these projectors offer im still sitting here saying "is this it?"
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Worth keeping in mind the 0.47" TI chip will very most likely have worse results with 4K UHD than the 0.66" chip. Only reason to go for it is lower price or if you want 3D and cant wait for new 0.66" models with 3D.
I want a kick ass 4K projector at a reasonable price ... not willing to buy twice (once at FauxK and again later). If there is a 1080p projector that kicks ass now at a much lower price point I could run that for 12-24 months and wait it out. Right now the front runner in my price range is the 5040ub at $2300-2700. If I can get something under $1200 that is 90% of the way there I'm all over it.

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I want a kick ass 4K projector at a reasonable price ... not willing to buy twice (once at FauxK and again later). If there is a 1080p projector that kicks ass now at a much lower price point I could run that for 12-24 months and wait it out. Right now the front runner in my price range is the 5040ub at $2300-2700. If I can get something under $1200 that is 90% of the way there I'm all over it.

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The Vivitek HK2288 uses the better 0.66" chip and is on sale today only at Fry's and Beach Camera (at their site and through Amazon), in same range as the 0.47" is up for. Check it out.

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The Vivitek HK2288 uses the better 0.66" chip and is on sale today only at Fry's and Beach Camera (at their site and through Amazon), in same range as the 0.47" is up for. Check it out.
Are there any really awesome 1080p projectors I should be considering? So little 4K content right now...
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Are there any really awesome 1080p projectors I should be considering? So little 4K content right now...
In the price range of the BenQ HT2550? There really isn't much that I can think of. If you only wanted 1080p you could get a BenQ HT2050 and save even more money. Was just pointing out the Vivitek HK2288 as it was on sale big today around the range of the HT2550 you expressed some interest in, and the Vivitek has the larger 4K 0.66" DMD.

Also, what are your preferences in image or technology?

I recently picked up a 1080p Vivitek H9090 on super blowout sale, but it was still quite a bit higher than the HT2550.

If you send Mike Garrett a PM he can let you know what current specials AV Science has.

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In the price range of the BenQ HT2550? There really isn't much that I can think of. If you only wanted 1080p you could get a BenQ HT2050 and save even more money. Was just pointing out the Vivitek HK2288 as it was on sale big today around the range of the HT2550 you expressed some interest in, and the Vivitek has the larger 4K 0.66" DMD.

Also, what are your preferences in image or technology?

I recently picked up a 1080p Vivitek H9090 on super blowout sale, but it was still quite a bit higher than the HT2550.

If you send Mike Garrett a PM he can let you know what current specials AV Science has.
So this is my first projector, normally I completely educate myself on options and different versions of tech. Frankly this is mind numbing given the flavors of DLP and other factors.

Budget is 3K or less for a 4K projector or $1200 or less and wait for a bit of trickle down tech and the budget to recover from the basement and replace whatever I install in the interim in 12-24 months.

Your thoughts are much appreciated in regards to which way to go, I am truly a neophyte here...

What would you do?

... option 3 - bad ass 1080p projector at the $2000-3000 range and run it for 3 years...
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So this is my first projector, normally I completely educate myself on options and different versions of tech. Frankly this is mind numbing given the flavors of DLP and other factors.

Budget is 3K or less for a 4K projector or $1200 or less and wait for a bit of trickle down tech and the budget to recover from the basement and replace whatever I install in the interim in 12-24 months.

Your thoughts are much appreciated in regards to which way to go, I am truly a neophyte here...

What would you do?

... option 3 - bad ass 1080p projector at the $2000-3000 range and run it for 3 years...
Well, first off then, for 4K projector basically you should pick up that Vivitek HK2288 I mentioned because there's not something a lot better until you hit the $4k mark. There are other good projectors on the way like the HK2299 and the UHD65, but if I was picking one of the three and saw the sale I'd get the HK2288. All three have some differences but the cost difference is much larger here than those differences IMO.

If you want to pass on 4K and want under $1200 you are best off getting the BenQ HT2050 as they are super cheap.

There are some good 1080p options that AV Science has from blowout JVC 1080ps (LCOS) in your higher range. LCOS offers more contrast than DLP, but in this case not as much resolution. Some really require that extra contrast, some do not. Same goes for resolution.

Then there is lamp (bulb) vs solid state light source (LED/Laser). Solid state light source you pay a premium for (for instance the Optoma UHZ65 laser uses the same chassis and lens as the Optoma UHD65 lamp but costs almost twice as much), and I personally feel its worth the expenditure but many do not. I specifically bought the projector I did because I wanted a solid state (LED). The advantages are primarily functional, but are very nice advantages if you are a heavy user. Some lasers also offer much higher brightness than bulb counterparts (like the UHZ65 for instance) but the LED I bought in particular did not.

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HK2288-WH have very low lumens. So no watching in little ambient light.
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HK2288-WH have very low lumens. So no watching in little ambient light.
? The HK2288 has a 310W lamp and is actually pretty bright. Signficantly brighter than the Optoma UHD65, for instance. You can't really go by what manufs claim the lumens to be on the spec sheet, same goes for contrast.
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I would see if you can get a closeout JVC projector at your $3K budget. Check with AVS and Cleveland Plasma. I was quoted $2600 for a closeout JVC 420 back in October. If there are any left they might be even cheaper now.
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Anyone know which have the brightest picture bettween Optoma UHD550X (2800 lumens) and Epson EH-TW7300 (2200 lumens)? On paper Optoma projector should have brighter picture but this could be wrong. On the link bellow they say that Epson Home Cinema 4000 (2200 lumens) and Optoma UHD60 (3000 lumens) have quite the same brightness even their lumen numbers are different.
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Ahh, no, yes, no.

I've had both for two weeks. The 5040UB has some enhancement modes, and a color alignment feature that most people don't know about or explore. When the panels are aligned properly and the enhancement on, it's a very nice image. The 4k enhancement, however, is only good if you feed it bluray 1080p or 4K material. There is some softness between pixels, which reduces the screen-door effect. 1080p cable fed to the 5040UB is somewhat soft, but that's a problem with the input. As for the Optoma UHD65, it too has an alignment feature and some pixel enhancement. It also handles cable input better. It is the clear winner since it actually addresses 8.3 meg pixels, whereas the 5040UB addresses 4 meg pixels. If the colors are not aligned, there is fuzziness between the pixels as well. The reason you might want the 5040UB is the lack of rainbows and 3D (although it has known crosstalk issues). I sent both back when I realized there just wasn't enough 4K material out there to make it worthwhile, and I want good 3D as well as 4K--at a reasonable price(which appears to be promised with the new set of DLP projectors using the .47 TI chip). I also would add that the 5040UB is a heavy monster and a real challenge if you hang on the ceiling. The UHD65 is slightly smaller, but heavy as well, but not as intrusive looking.
Between Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, Vudu, and 4k discs there is a huge amount of 4k content available.

I can understand if it's not worth it to you though, since I feel like projectors are in a very weird transition to 4k at this moment.

If you were going to live with the Optoma or Epson which would you pick?
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If you were going to live with the Optoma or Epson which would you pick?
It's a toss up. If you want 3D, then Epson. If not, then the Optoma.

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Ahh, no, yes, no.

I've had both for two weeks. The 5040UB has some enhancement modes, and a color alignment feature that most people don't know about or explore. When the panels are aligned properly and the enhancement on, it's a very nice image. The 4k enhancement, however, is only good if you feed it bluray 1080p or 4K material. There is some softness between pixels, which reduces the screen-door effect. 1080p cable fed to the 5040UB is somewhat soft, but that's a problem with the input. As for the Optoma UHD65, it too has an alignment feature and some pixel enhancement. It also handles cable input better. It is the clear winner since it actually addresses 8.3 meg pixels, whereas the 5040UB addresses 4 meg pixels. If the colors are not aligned, there is fuzziness between the pixels as well. The reason you might want the 5040UB is the lack of rainbows and 3D (although it has known crosstalk issues). I sent both back when I realized there just wasn't enough 4K material out there to make it worthwhile, and I want good 3D as well as 4K--at a reasonable price(which appears to be promised with the new set of DLP projectors using the .47 TI chip). I also would add that the 5040UB is a heavy monster and a real challenge if you hang on the ceiling. The UHD65 is slightly smaller, but heavy as well, but not as intrusive looking.

When you say "1080p cable", do you mean "de-interlaced 1080i cable"?

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When you say "1080p cable", do you mean "de-interlaced 1080i cable"?
My memory fails me, not sure any more.
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