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post #31 of 50 Old 01-03-2018, 06:43 PM - Thread Starter
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Once you go projector you never go back.
Should I be considering the 6040 instead of the 5040 then?

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No little to no difference for 1k more real price. rs540 is about 4700 from avscience rs6400 is 1k more avscience is selling last years rs420 projectors for about 2700 imo that is a great deal only slightly less contrast than the 520 or 540 I just bought my son a rs400 closeout for 1500 ( fantastic deal ) and it almost as good as my rs500 dont let some of the people who post confuse you when they talk about wasted pixels 1080 p upscalers to 4k are great for alot less than most true 4k projectors. I have owned more than 20 projectors and you would be more than happy with the epson 540 or jvc 420 or 520 or 540. Dont get one of the new cheap dlp 4k projectors like the vivitek 2288 they have lousy contrast and black levels . feel free to pm me. You are lucky to be doing this now when projectors are so great for relatively little money compared to just a few years ago.
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Sorry...was making a "Once you go _____, you never go back" joke...because the 6040 is black.

It is always so embarrassing when you make a marginally inappropriate joke, and no one gets it...
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So just my luck as I am putting together funds for my theater, an emergency vet visit hits me for a $4K operation for my bulldog.

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JVC projectors look real good until their bulb starts to age beyond 500 hours. Then their image becomes very dim. Add to that a rip-off $500 replacement bulb. I would not bother with another JVC until they come out with a affordable laser projector.
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JVC projectors look real good until their bulb starts to age beyond 500 hours. Then their image becomes very dim. Add to that a rip-off $500 replacement bulb. I would not bother with another JVC until they come out with a affordable laser projector.
Not true at all, I have over 2000 hours on my JVCX500s current bulb and the image is still fine in low lamp.

In fact at 500 hours is when my bulb starts to look it's best.

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Not true at all, I have over 2000 hours on my JVCX500s current bulb and the image is still fine in low lamp.

In fact at 500 hours is when my bulb starts to look it's best.
You are probably using a small screen. And you definitely are not using a alr screen.
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You are probably using a small screen. And you definitely are not using a alr screen.
120in, not not an ALR screen, but you are the first I have heard mention the 500hr issue. And from what I have read the newer JVC models are brighter then my JVC .

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Should I be considering the 6040 instead of the 5040 then?

That's why you stick with JVC... It's known how to be properly black it's entire life.


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Take any comments about image brightness from someone who goes by @LumensLover in proper perspective.

It's an accepted characteristic of all UHP projector lamps that they tend to lose ~25% of their maximum lumens over the first 500 hours of use. There's no evidence that JVC lamps dim at a greater rate than those of any other brand. If any projector produces marginal brightness with a new lamp then of course it can become too dim after 500 hours, which is again not exclusive to JVC. You always want to get a projector that's brighter than required with a new lamp so that lumens can be adjusted down when new and adjusted up as the lamp ages and dims.
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Take any comments about image brightness from someone who goes by @LumensLover in proper perspective.
Lamp flicker Lover is also a good screen name if I had kept my Sony.

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Lamp flicker Lover is also a good screen name if I had kept my Sony.
Lamp flicker is a known issue with UHP projector lamps in general due to uneven anode wear. My HW45ES has been 100% flicker-free. On the other hand my old Panasonic PT-AX200U developed lamp flicker after running the first several hundred hours on low lamp. I ran it for about 20 hours on high lamp and when I switched back to low lamp the flicker was gone and never came back throughout the lamp's life. When I replaced the original lamp with a genuine replacement lamp it never developed flicker. It's a hit-and-miss issue.
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I would just toss the flat screen if the living room would not look odd without a TV.
Hey, that's what paintings are for! Haha.

I've known more than one person ditch their living room TV entirely, using just their 2-piece projection. You are so right. The immersion is unparalleled. This is the route I'll definitely go when we buy our next home someday. We just want a high end 2-channel audio setup in the living room. Dedicated HT for TV time with the fam.
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Lamp flicker is a known issue with UHP projector lamps in general due to uneven anode wear. My HW45ES has been 100% flicker-free. On the other hand my old Panasonic PT-AX200U developed lamp flicker after running the first several hundred hours on low lamp. I ran it for about 20 hours on high lamp and when I switched back to low lamp the flicker was gone and never came back throughout the lamp's life. When I replaced the original lamp with a genuine replacement lamp it never developed flicker. It's a hit-and-miss issue.
I hear you. I had horrible lamp flicker with my Sony 40ES. The Sony 45ES projectors I purchased did not stick around long enough for me to see any flicker. Truth be told, selling my small 106 inch Black Diamond screen paired with my Sony 45es was the worst mistake I made last year. They made a fantastic combo.

Much better color accuracy with the Sony 45es compared to the JVC X550R. I would also say shadow detail was better with the Sony 45ES.

I'm tempted to get another 45ES and be done with it. However the super high lumens of the Epson home Cinema 3700 is also a temptation for me. However if I were to find another good deal on a small ALR screen 110 inches or smaller I'm thinking the Sony's lumens would be enough.

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Sorry...was making a "Once you go _____, you never go back" joke...because the 6040 is black.

It is always so embarrassing when you make a marginally inappropriate joke, and no one gets it...
We got it. We just didn't want to embarrass you.

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We got it. We just didn't want to embarrass you.

Very kind of you!


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... I'm tempted to get another 45ES and be done with it. However the super high lumens of the Epson home Cinema 3700 is also a temptation for me. However if I were to find another good deal on a small ALR screen 110 inches or smaller I'm thinking the Sony's lumens would be enough.
As I recall from your earliest posts trying to decide whether or not front projection was right for you one of your stated preferences was for a bright, plasma-like image. The issue with most projectors is that they are either very bright with mediocre black levels or not so bright with good black levels, so obviously a compromise from a bright plasma with good black levels.

I also have a couple of plasmas and realized from previous projector experience that I had to compromise. The HW45ES works for me on a 100" 1.0 gain white screen, but I only watch in the dark. I prefer a commercial cinema bright image rather than a TV bright image so the HW45ES works for me in low lamp mode. I'm glad I don't care about using my projector in ambient light because I'd probably end up as frustrated as you are. I'm willing to settle for using one of my plasmas for viewing in ambient light even though it's a smaller 60" screen. I would never want to be without both a good projector and a good TV.

If you are determined to have a 100"+ screen both day and night one option might be to have a dual projector setup with one light cannon for use in ambient light and a less bright model with good black levels for viewing in the dark.
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Hi all,

I am the OP. I had created a second account when I could not find my original account which caused all sorts of issues. Apologies for falling off the face of the earth for a few days, and thanks again for all the feedback.

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So just my luck as I am putting together funds for my theater, an emergency vet visit hits me for a $4K operation for my bulldog.

Thanks to everyone that chimed in here. I appreciate your time, and will come back when it is time.
Oh, man. I missed this tidbit before. Sorry to hear that! What a bummer. I probably would've pulled an old Yeller. KIDDING! KIDDING! In all seriousness, though. At least with my hyper annoying dogs, Home theater > dogs. Haha.

For sure, let us know when it's time to move forward with your setup. Hope your pup is ok!
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Much better color accuracy with the Sony 45es compared to the JVC X550R. I would also say shadow detail was better with the Sony 45ES.
Probably just unit variance, there shouldn't be any advantage to JVC or Sony color-wise, they both are very accurate OOTB. Even cheap Benq DLP's tend to be really accurate in some modes as well. Just calibrated an older w7000 and saw no real benefit after calibration.

As far as lamp issues go, the older JVC lamps (pre-RS46/56/66) were the troublesome ones, luckily you can now get the older lamps for under $80 (original Philips)...

The problem with the higher-end JVC and Sony projectors (excluding the hw40/45) are the insane prices Sony and JVC started charging for lamps again. A few years ago, they knocked the prices down to what I'd call a reasonable level ($250 to $400 at dealers), now they decided to start charging rip-off prices again ($550 to $700).

$550 to $700 for Sony and JVC Lamps, that's why I didn't upgrade this year, as I put a lot of hours on the PJ, what's the point. Mise well wait for 4k Laser under $6000...

I'm happy with the JVC RS-45 for now, more contrast than the Sony hw45es and $75 lamps will keep me going until I find the Laser Native 4k projector I want down the road...

Some dealers will sell discounted spare lamps if you buy a new JVC, but I don't think they do it for Sony. So I'd say if you can get a newer JVC with a discounted spare lamp, then that mostly makes up for it (at least for most people)...

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